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#1355403
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My Star Wars Saga Episodes 1-6 Edits (2/6 available) (WIP)
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This is a thread for my personal fan-edits of episodes 1-6, my Star Wars saga.

My edits are admittedly a combination of others ideas (mainly Hal9000, octoroxx, Gigawattboy, NFBisms, Adywan, IIFanEditore, and others) combined with my own, as sometimes I disagreed with some of their changes there are some things I added or deleted because of my own preferences.

Here is a Google doc with the list of all of changes I am planning on making. Suggestions are more then welcome.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12-t92zTXPCqb389uPcuJ6Yq7J3BTijTd_JR96GN0U5Q/edit?usp=sharing

I apologize if I seem a little mean or hostile when defending my decision to use FXItInPost’s Darth Vader vs. Obi-Wan fight for my ANH fan-edit, I just wanted to be blunt to prevent any argument.

Here are some synopsis of the major stuff I’m doing with each film. For the record I do love episodes 3-6 and think they are fantastic movies, and I actually do think 1 and 2 are ok, so don’t take any of this as me hating on the films.

The Phantom Menace

Probably the most prominent change is that I’ve included an excellent fan-dub by YouTuber Gigawattboy which redoes Jar Jar’s dialogue and basically reimagines the character as a rogue everyman with an Australian accent. I loved it. He also redubbed the rest of the Gungans, giving them less goofy voices and lines, and I also thought it worked perfectly.

Here is a link to a video he posted with a clip of his dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58yrGVFDHc8

I’ve also cut any cringe-inducing or confusing dialogue. Many trims, cuts, and rearrangements are inspired by Hal9000’s edit, one big example being his rearranging of the final battle so Anakin intentionally goes into battle and saves Padme rather then “accidentally” joining a battle and his actions being redundant. Like Hal’s edit I also re-added the deleted scene in which Qui-Gon destroys the probe droid.

I did actually keep midichlorians though. I honestly don’t see what the big deal was and why so many people hate this. As Qui-Gon explains, midichlorians aren’t the force itself, they’re a vessel or bridge by which living things are able to be connected by the force, which is why having more midichlorians means you’re stronger with the force. It doesn’t ruin any of the force’s mysticism, it just explains how they’re able to measure a being’s force potential and how living beings are connected to the force. So that’s why they’re kept. I really like the scene with Qui-Gon testing Anakin’s blood, so it stays.

Attack of the Clones

My goal here was similar to many other fan-editors: remove any cringe dialogue and make the Anakin and Padme romance more believable. Once again many trims, cuts, and rearrangements were inspired by Hal9000’s edit, and also octoroxx’s. First, Padme doesn’t first address him as a little boy. Now their introduction is more of a shared awkward moment, but Anakin proves his maturity later during the majorly trimmed packing scene. Then the deleted scenes with her and her family and the one in her bedroom are readded. This way Anakin actually gets to know Padme as a person and meets her family; they share personal stories and the fact that she lets Anakin in her bedroom is really telling of how comfortable she is with him. She even kind of flirts with him a little. So instead of Padme being uncomfortable she’s open with him. Like in Hal’s edit, the first kiss is placed after the dinner scene, regraded to look like its evening, and from this point on they’re officially an item. I’ve also included Hal’s version of the droid factory sequence, removed the “I killed them all” scene, rearranged R2 receiving Obi-Wan’s message, and more.

I had to cut all of Jar Jar’s dialogue as the guy who did the dub for TPM hasn’t done one for this film and I can’t have Jar Jar just have a completely different voice. Hopefully a AOTC dub for him is done eventually so I can update my edit.

There are some scenes that I didn’t find offensive that those who inspired me did, like Jango giving Zam the worms (I was originally going to cut this but then there wasn’t any other way in the film itself that the audience would know the worms are poisonous), the Yoda and the Younglings scene (this scene proves that Yoda trained Obi-Wan at one point, making the one line of dialogue in ESB make sense, and I find the scene itself to actually be kinda sweet and warming), and Yoda and Dooku’s duel, and others, so they are kept.

I’m not deleting Yoda having a lightsaber or dueling. Both his duel with Dooku here and his duel with Sidious in ROTS are kept. A lot of the reason they’re deleted in other fan-edits is because in the OT Yoda is a pacifist, but I view that as him having had character growth between the prequels and OT. He learned “Wars not make one great” from the Clone Wars. I mean, how else would he have learned that, he wasn’t alive during the last war that was waged before the Clone Wars. Besides, I feel AOTC is anti-climactic without the Yoda saber duel. I like Yoda dueling, so it stays.

Revenge of the Sith (in-progress, should be out in the coming weeks)

This edit is a lot more similar to the original film then the previous two as I love the original movie a lot, it’s much better then it’s predecessors, but I have made some minor changes. I’ve incorporated some of NFBisms’ ideas for added/changed dialogue in the first half, all of which with the goal of making Anakin more mature and his friendship with Obi-Wan stronger, reinserting deleted scenes (“Plot to Destroy the Jedi”, Rebel alliance subplot, and Yoda arriving on Dagobah), Anakin killing the younglings is replaced with the deleted scene of him killing Shaak-Ti, “From my point of view the Jedi are evil!” is gone (conversation ends with “I have failed you Anakin… I have failed you”), and Vader’s “NOOOOOO!” will be replaced with the Russian dub so it sounds like a anguished scream rather then a no (taken from Hal’s edit).

A New Hope (in-progress)

I’d like to use the HD version of Adywan’s edit once he’s done with it as the base, but until then I may just release an edit of the Blu-Ray first.

First, I’m going to have the ending scene of Rogue One be the opening. The Darth Vader hallway scene is perfect visual exposition for who his character is now since we left him at the end of ROTS. It establishes Vader as a badass, powerful Sith enforcer. After that it will cut to an added scene of Yoda communicating with Qui-Gon on Dagobah, and then the beginning of the original film. This connects it with the prequels and reminds us that these characters are still relevant. Other prominent edits include using the Imperial March for Vader and the Empire (music from ROTS will also be added during the meeting in which Vader force chokes someone), readding “Vader Widens the Search” in place of the Jabba scene, removing anything that implies Vader is Tarkin’s lackey (rather they are just two high-ranking villains working together), making Alderaan’s destruction much more dramatic, and adding a new scene between Vader and Sidious. And of course there are more typical edits like removing the Jabba scene, trimming the SE entrance to Mos Eisley, Han shooting first, fixing Luke’s lightsaber jumpcuts, etc.

I’m also editing in FXitinPost’s version of the Darth Vader vs. Obi-Wan duel, as it’s infinitely better then the one in the film. Like, it’s become one of my favorite duels in all of Star Wars.

Basically my goal here is to give this film some more gusto. It’s a great film but it’s also the most dated. More references to deeper Star Wars lore will be added, a few scenes will be added that show what this story has to do with the grand scheme of things, and certain scenes will be made to feel more powerful, impactful, and epic (the lightsaber duel and the destruction of Alderaan).

Empire Strikes Back (in-progress)

This edit is the least blown of them all. It uses Adywan’s as a base, as he made so many stunning, brilliant edits that I honestly can’t resist. The most prominent things I’ll do are readd the special edition shots of the Wampa, removing Leia kissing Luke because incest, readd the new special edition dialogue between Vader and Sidious during the hologram conversation with each other, and add a new force vision like that of Anakin for Luke when he’s meditating and see’s his friends in danger. Some minor changes are also going to be made to stay consistent with the prequels: Obi-Wan referring to Yoda as “A Jedi Master who instructed me” instead of “THE Jedi Master…” (a Hal9000 edit I burrow), and cutting the “That boy is our last hope”, “No, there is another” exchange.

Return of the Jedi (in-progress)

Once again, I’d like to use Adywan’s revisited version of the film as the base, though I know it probably won’t be out for a long time, so I’ll make an edit of the Blu-Ray first. I’m using Hal9000’s custom special edition as a base, and any SE things readded use the 2020 Blu-Ray.

In my edit, the new opening crawl states that after his defeat to Darth Vader in ESB, Luke returns to Dagobah to train with Yoda, and his allies have formulated a plan to free Han Solo from Jabba (including the droids). My idea is that the film will be edited to make it appear as if Luke had been training with Yoda in the time period between ESB and this film, which explains how Luke became a better, more powerful Jedi in-between. It also helps the plan to free Han Solo make more sense, as now the efforts by the others can be seen as them attempting to free Han without Luke during his absence on Dagobah. However, since their plan doesn’t work, Luke has to go to Tatooine to save their asses. The scenes on Dagobah will be moved to the beginning and intercut with the Jabba’s palace scenes.

Other edits include replacing Jedi Rocks with Lapti Nek, fixing Boba’s laughably-missed shot, removing Vader’s “NOOOO!” and having him say “Your mother once thought as you do” (rather then Obi-Wan), among other things. The reason why I’m doing that instead of editing ROTS to have Obi-Wan want to redeem Anakin is that Obi-Wan giving up on Anakin shows the flaws of Jedi indoctrination; their belief that once someone turned to the dark side, they cannot be redeemed and must be eliminated. It’s consistent with Yoda’s line in ESB “Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny”, which, while wrong, is what Obi-Wan was taught to be true. Luke being the first one to believe his father could be redeemed shows how he is different from previous Jedi.

And finally I don’t plan on doing the sequel trilogy.

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#1353875
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"This is Tokyo" Fan-Edit: Gojira (1954) and Godzilla, King of the Monsters! (1956) combination (Released)
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This fan-edit combines the original Japanese version of the original 1954 Godzilla film and the American re-edit called “Godzilla: King of the Monsters!” It adds all of the Raymond Burr footage to the original Japanese cut, keeping both most of Steve Martin’s scenes and almost all of the scenes with the original cast, extending the run-time to a total 1 hour and 40 minutes. This way, you get the best of both worlds, with the brilliance of the original Japanese cut and the great acting and iconic lines of Raymond Burr that I have lots of nostalgia for.

This edit is available, just PM me if you would like to see it.

Source: Criterion Blu-Ray (which includes the original Japanese cut and the US re-edit, though KOTM had to be upsized a little)

JP = Original Japanese Version
US = Godzilla: King of the Monsters!

Cut list:
-(US) Opening titles from “Godzilla: King of the Monsters!”
-(US) Steve Martin narrating as he awakes in the ruins of Tokyo and is brought to the emergency hospital where he meets Emiko Yamane. Steve Martin’s flashback begins on the plane to Japan.
-(JP) Godzilla sinks the Eiko-Maru (with roar added, idea from US cut).
-(JP) Ogata cancels his date with Emiko.
-(US) Steve Martin is stopped by security at the airport.
-(US) Steve Martin meets Iwanaga.
-(JP & US) Iwanaga takes Steve to SDF Naval Office, where we intercut with the Japanese version of Ogata with the coast guard talking about the disappearance of the Eiko-Maru.
-(JP) Godzilla sinks the Bingo-Maru.
-(JP) Journalists report sinking, military official talks with families.
-(US) Steve leaves a message for his editor at newspaper office.
-(JP) Survivors of Bingo-Maru found by third ship.
-(JP) Military reports that survivors were found.
-(JP) Military learns that third ship was also sunk.
-(JP) Newspapers report that shipping is shut down.
-(JP) Survivor of third ship washes up on Odo Island.
-(JP & US) Steve, military officials, and reporter Hagiwara land on Odo Island to interview locals.
-(US) Steve and Iwanaga watch islander ceremony and learn the legend of Godzilla.
-(JP & US) Steve and Iwanaga witness Godzilla attack and destroy the village admist a storm.
-(JP & US) Odo Islanders testify before the Diet (US); Professor Yamane proposes a scientific expedition (JP with a shot of Steve added during Yamane’s speech).
-(US) Steve leaves press box, asks Yamane for permission to join expedition.
-(JP & US) Expedition leaves for Odo Island (shots of Doctor Serizawa from the original Japanese cut added to the US cut of the scene so both Steve and Serizawa are present in the scene).
-(JP & US) Emiko and Ogata’s conversation, intercut with Steve silently watching nearby with his narration describing the love triangle between Ogata, Emiko, and Serizawa.
-(JP & US) Japanese cut of the expedition surveying Odo Island, with quick shots of Steve and Iwanaga in the crowd watching intercut.
-(JP & US) Godzilla rises from behind the mountain, intercut with the shots of Steve from the US cut.
-(JP & US) Yamane’s report to the Diet, with a quick shot of Steve watching added.
-(JP) Ogata tells Emiko that Serizawa is what’s preventing him from marrying her, but Emiko assures him that she’s always thought of him as a brother rather then a lover. The scene where the newspaper reporter talks to them right after is cut though (you’ll see why later).
-(US) Steve has phone conversations with his editor and Dr. Serizawa.
-(JP & US) Steve narration added to Japanese cut of Emiko at Serizawa’s house (starting with after the reporter has left), intending to break her engagement with him, but Serizawa shows her the oxygen destroyer before she can. I was intending on keeping the whole reporter subplot in at first but it wouldn’t make sense as in his phone conversation with Steve, Serizawa says that Emiko was going to meet him that night for something important, and because the phone call between Serizawa and Steve is important, I’ve decided to have Emiko go to Serizawa’s house herself to tell him she will not marry him like the US cut.
-(JP) Emiko returns home but doesn’t tell Ogata what happened.
-(JP) Navy tries to kill Godzilla with depth charges.
-(JP) Yamane, upset at reports that the Navy has killed Godzilla, sits alone in his office.
-(US) A party boat spots Godzilla in Tokyo Bay. I used the US version because it had more sound effects.
-(JP) Godzilla attacks. At first I was intending on adding the shots of Steve here but after thinking about it I realized that he really has no reason to be in this scene.
-(US) Montage of military mobilization and residents being evacuated with Steve’s narration.
-(US) Iwanaga tells Steve the military’s plan.
-(JP) Military officials call Yamane to a meeting, but he has no idea how to kill Godzilla.
-(JP) Ogata, intending to ask Yamane for permission to marry Emiko, gets himself thrown out of the house.
-(JP & US) Godzilla’s second attack on Tokyo, intercut with Steve reporting into his tape recorder; US cut of Godzilla approaching the electric towers and Godzilla destroying the building Steve is in.
-For both Godzilla’s first and second attacks I’ve added roars to places where they were needed but weren’t placed in either cut (when he has his mouth open but there’s no roar).
-Completely cut the scene where Godzilla is driven off by jets for a few reasons. First, it helps set in stone that the military cannot stop Godzilla. It’s kind of strange that they say that they need the oxygen destroyer when they seemed to be able to drive Godzilla off with jets just fine. Are jets his kryptonite or something? Why do jets make him retreat when he had no problem with tanks? It completely undermines the need for the oxygen destroyer if they can just make him retreat with planes. Second, it keeps the ominous, chilling tone of the scene going. Why did the filmmakers think it would be a good idea to have it be dark and dour, then have a happy moment of levity, and then back to dark and dour? Third, the effects in this scene are very wonky even compared to the rest of movie. After destroying the bridge, he dives back into the ocean, leaving the people of Japan without any hope.
-(JP) Aftermath of Godzilla’s attack.
-(JP & US) Emiko tells Ogata and Steve about the oxygen destroyer; the flashback of Emiko seeing the oxygen destroyer disentegrate fish and her conversation with Serizawa about it afterwords is from the Japanese cut.
-(JP) Ogata and Emiko convince Serizawa to use the oxygen destroyer against Godzilla.
-(JP) Serizawa insists that he help Ogata use the oxygen destroyer.
-(JP & US) The death of Godzilla, with cuts to Steve from the US version multiple times to show he is on the ship.
-(JP & US) Ending; the Japanese cut of Ogata and Emiko mourning Serizawa, but with Steve’s narration and the English end credits.

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#1353543
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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G&G-Fan said:

  1. Empire Strikes Back (great)
  2. Return of the Jedi (great)
  3. Revenge of the Sith (great)
  4. A New Hope (great)
  5. Rogue One (great)
  6. The Force Awakens (pretty good)
  7. Solo (mediocre)
  8. Attack of the Clones (has it’s highlights)
  9. Phanthom Menace (has it’s highlights)
  10. The Last Jedi (why…)

I know this is over a year old but I just thought I would briefly comment my new sentiments. The list is still pretty accurate, but believe it or not I’d probably now put TPM and AOTC above TFA and possibly Solo, because at least they actually contribute and are essential to the saga and lore. They have great parts. Meanwhile IMO the sequel trilogy to the Star Wars saga is like a lamprey that’s latched itself onto a shark: it’s something forced onto something else that was already functioning perfectly without it, doesn’t flow right with the rest of the body, and literally just sucks from it like a parasite. Sound unpleasant? Exactly. Like the sequel trilogy.

Rise of Skywalker is second to worst, only beat still by The Last Jedi.

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#1348784
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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I know this is probably a sacrilegious thing to say, but I think Hayden as Anakin’s force ghost actually makes more sense. It might sound dumb right now but let me explain.

Vader/Anakin was 46 when he died. Hayden is currently 39 and doesn’t look much different then he did in ROTS. I’m pretty sure he’s not going to suddenly look 78 in 7 years.

So even if we take into account the fact that he was good again when he died so ROTS wasn’t the last time he was on the light side of the force, it STILL makes more sense for Hayden to be the ghost.

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#1264972
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Info &amp; Ideas Wanted: for Godzilla Fan Edits (Showa, Heisei and Millennium series)
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I’ve either made or thought up of ideas for edits for some of the Heisei films. Even though it’s my favorite Godzilla series (I especially love Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II, King Ghidorah, Destoroyah, and Biollante, my top four all time favorite Godzilla films), they’re the one’s I watch the most so I knew going in what to fix.

First, Godzilla vs. Mothra. I actually like this movie quite a bit, it’s in my top 15, but it’s not without it’s flaws. Most of the cuts were cutting the lines where that one dude (the one often seen with Akira Takarada’s character in the gray suit and grey hair) where he kept on making goofy faces with horrible line delivery, the unnecessary environmentalism stuff, some of the wonky effects shots, and adding a roar sound effect for all of the shots where Godzilla’s mouth is open but there’s no roar (which is such a pet peeve of mine; literally every Godzilla film has at least one occasion, I’ve checked, where this happens but this is the one that suffers the most and it’s the most noticeable here; there’s so many shots here that just grind my gears because he’s clearly meant to be roaring but there’s no roar sound effect. There could be a shot where it’s just him in the center of the frame and there’s no roar sound. Sound designers? Hello?! Though I guess it’s still better then literally giving Godzilla SpaceGodzilla’s roar in some shots two films later).

I’ve been wanting to make a Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II extended cut, as Takao Okawara initially wanted too, adding in all (or just most) of the scenes cut from the film, especially Miki’s interaction with Baby (which I literally have no idea why they cut because it’s great). I have two problems though that keep me from doing it, which are that I can’t understand Japanese and no subtitles seem to exist anywhere so it would be impossible for anyone who doesn’t speak Japanese to understand the added in human scenes because there’s no subtitles, and second, I can’t find the scenes in a good quality. If someone would be willing to help me fix any of these two problems, I will be eternally grateful. Other then that I wouldn’t make any changes to the film because I absolutely love this film so much (my favorite of all time) and the editing is excellent.

Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla is easily the one I’ve edited the most because it’s the most flawed. I cut everything about G-Force and the UNGCC in the first act besides the opening scene so I could remove the awful space battle with no eyebrows raised, the subplot about Miki having a connection with the fairies, all of the times Kiyo acts like a wimp and complains about having to do the simplest of jobs (like climbing) on Birth Island despite working for an organization that fights kaiju, the butt shot, the scene where Koji and Kiyo suddenly go from Project T to killing Godzilla and being so dim witted they think they can kill Godzilla with guns, Miki deciding to stay on the island, the whole Mafia subplot, the whole Miki and Koji love subplot (including the time where she helps Koji get Yuki get his foot un-stuck using telekinesis), and some parts of the final battle that made it drag out. I ended up cutting it do only an hour and 15 minutes and it’s perfectly coherent. I would add back in the deleted scene of Godzilla trying to free his son but the scene hasn’t been released at all, which is a shame.

I haven’t touched Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah because literally my only problem (the fact that, while Wikizilla’s video perfectly clears up the time travel stuff, the movie itself doesn’t clearly explain it enough) can’t be fixed, I haven’t touched Godzilla vs. Biollante either, and for Godzilla vs. Destoroyah I think I went in and trimmed like one or two wonky effects shots and that’s it.

I may make my own thread if you guys want me to elaborate more on the one’s I changed (just one thread for all of the films though, don’t want to unnecessarily clutter the forum). I could end up making some for the Showa and Millennium films as well if I feel like it (some ideas that come to mind are trimming Monster Zero a little so the pacing is better because the pacing is horrendous, cutting the Minilla subplot from Final Wars, and adding the Steve Martin scenes to the original Gojira).