That’s literally what I wanted to happen in this show before it was released though. I wanted a scene of Vader killing Jedi, I wanted Vader to think he was dead, etc.
What were some of these inaccuracies? Just curious
This pretty much explains it (I have it time coded to where it talks about Hirch’s book)
Some very interesting tidbits about Darth Vader’s Original Role in Obi-Wan Kenobi
https://thedirect.com/article/obi-wan-kenobi-darth-vader-final-battle-exclusive
Why does this sound so much better then what we got?
“My film began with Vader taking on five Jedi at once and killing all of them, you know, so it established that he is the big Jedi killer. The Inquisitors are capturing them, but Vader is the big daddy who comes in and just lays waste to any Jedi all while hunting Kenobi.”
Bruh why the fuck did they get rid of this guy this is literally everything I’ve ever wanted. Vader fighting and killing five Jedi? FUCK YES!!!
“In mine, Vader won the fight. They were fighting on this space station. It was falling apart in the atmosphere of this big planet and Obi-Wan basically fell off. Vader pushed him off and they separated. They didn’t get the chance to find Obi-Wan, basically. But what was going through Obi-Wan’s mind is the same thing which is, ‘My brother is truly dead. He’s gone. And while I absolve of that guilt because I didn’t kill him, Vader killed him, I’m still just devastated. I’m absolutely devastated.’”
“In mine, he really did believe that Kenobi was dead at the end, which was the thing that allowed him to finally let Kenobi go and focus on ruling the galaxy with an iron fist. Because it always seemed that in [A New Hope] he was shocked when he was like ‘I sense something, a presence I’ve not felt since…’ Why do you stop talking to yourself? It’s because you’re that shocked, you know?”
This makes so much more sense why didn’t they go with this?!
Yoda wasn’t able to deflect Sidious’ because his force lightning is more powerful. You can see Sidious’ is more purple while Dooku’s is a light blue. His lightning is also thicker.
FFS, nowhere did i say that Marcia put the footage back in and George didn’t notice and not once did i credit marcia with the force. I just watched the doc again and it’s not actually Marcia that says george Started taking some mentions of the force out of the movie, most notably when Han tells Luke " May the force be with you" in the Yavin hangar, it’s Howard Kazanjian. Marcia says that when she saw the next screening , she noticed he had cut the force out in a couple of places, and then its said by Howard that she added these cuts back in. George got cold feet and worried after what his friend, who he respected, had told him after the screening. He had a wobble, nothing more. It’s not some great conspiracy theory against George. He respected Marcia’s opinion on things. He listened. They were a great team.
And using "Ancient Aliens " as an example of inaccurate docs? Really?
I didn’t bother with Paul’s book because of the amount of inaccuracies in it. Things that were widely know through various multiple sources and not just from one man.
You know full well George has changed his story throughout the years on the making of these films that contradict what actual proof we have an also from multiple accounts from the people who worked on the films, but you seem to only want to believe things that come out of George’s mouth and consider anyone’s accounts that don’t tow the "George " line as nothing more than people wanting to take credit for George’s work and from bitter people.
I’m done with this argument. I don’t see why you felt the need to be so rude toward what i said when i was just repeating what was relayed in this documentary episode. But you kind of proved my original jokey point when i said that Lucas Worshipers wouldn’t be happy with this doc. I only talk about one small section of the second episode and you blow up toward me for no reason.
Ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok, that makes a lot more sense. I apologize, truly. The way you worded it saying she added it “behind Lucas’ back” made me think that was the implication. But it was wrong of me to jump on you like that.
I don’t think George Lucas is perfect. The prequels have their flaws and I do understand that it wasn’t all him that made the original trilogy. Richard, Marcia and Paul contributed a great deal (even if Paul hyped himself up to a ridiculous degree). But I also think people shouldn’t attack George by saying things that imply that A New Hope or the original trilogy in general being good had nothing to do with him, that Star Wars was garbage until it was edited by his wife. Whether you like the prequels or not, he was an integral part to the original trilogy.
How is it an anti Lucas conspiracy theory when it comes direct from the mouth of Marcia Lucas. You know, the person who was married to him and actually worked on the film as an editor? God, Lucas worshippers really don’t like facts that go against him being some sort of infallible god, do they. 😉
I’m sorry that you don’t like the fact that i posted about a section that is in a documentary. I didn’t even post anything other than what is mentioned in this documentary, yet you felt it necessary to reply to what i wrote like that? Jeez
Because you know it’s impossible for people to lie. Or for documentaries to be faulty. As shown with one of the most beautiful, informative, and factual documentaries of all time, Ancient Aliens.
You do realize Paul Hersch literally wrote a book basically saying crediting himself for every important editing choice even contradicting a ton of other people’s accounts (even taking credit for things that were supposedly Marcia)? But nooooooooooooooooooo, Hersch said it, so it’s fact. It’s almost like it makes sense that someone who was involved with an incredibly popular movie would want to claim that many iconic things came from them even if it’s not true. They want the credit for themselves. It’s almost like it also makes sense for someone to be bitter towards their ex who chose movies over them.
You say it out loud and it sounds ridiculous. It doesn’t make any sense. First of all Lucas was very passionate about the force as a concept. DePalma just criticized anything that wasn’t realistic (also having said “Where’s the blood when they shoot people?”) so of course George didn’t listen to him. Otherwise why wasn’t he scrambling to add blood to all the shooting scenes? And second, how tf could she add things back he deleted behind his back without him knowing? Like what, when Lucas saw it in theaters was he like “OMG who added the references to the force back?! What happened?! Oh no how did my movie end up this way?!”. How would that even be possible? He would’ve watched it several times before it released, and he would make sure everything was according to how he wanted it. He was an editor for the film himself. He supervised the editing for the film every step of the way. You can’t say, “If George wanted Greedo to shoot first he would’ve done it then” only to say “George accidentally let his wife keep something in the movie that he wanted out and it somehow got into theaters and that’s how we got the force”. That makes no sense whatsoever. If George didn’t want it in the movie it wouldn’t have ended up in theaters.
It makes no sense if you think about it for three seconds, but sure, credit Marcia Lucas for the force instead of George.
It’s been interesting hearing just how much influence Marcia had on this film, finally. The fact that George let De Palmas comments about the force get to him and George started re-cutting the film to eliminate much of the force , with marcia going behind his back and adding them all back in. George worshippers won’t be happy with this doc though.
I think this takes the cake for the most ridiculous, laughable, and unbelievably stupid anti-Lucas conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard in my life
I liked how Dooku’s use of force lightning is contrasted with Sidious’. When Dooku uses force lightning against Yoda, he deflects it easily. When Sidious uses it, it sends him flying, and when he is finally able to block it, it takes a lot of strength to do. It’s a great way of showing how Sidious is superior to his (then former) apprentice.
When viewing it in chronological order, Dooku being the first one to be seen using force lightning is to show the audience that he has gained new powers due to joining the dark side. Then in ROTS, we see Sidious has a far more powerful version of the same attack.
remember, Vader only helped the empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi - the Inquisitors were the ones doing most of the work
I wouldn’t say that. Yeah the Inquisitors hunt down and kill Jedi, but Vader was doing plenty of the work himself, especially when it’s a powerful Jedi master.
Both of the Jedi we see killed in the comics after the Inquisitors are introduced, Ferren Barr and Eeth Koth, are killed by Vader directly.
They should’ve had the duel go in a similar fashion, but Vader wins and Obi-Wan retreats.
But one piece of canon that I will never understand is why Vader has a castle on Mustafar.
Because it’s where Darth Vader was born. It’s his birth place. It also ties into the fact that Mustafar is supposed to symbolically represent Hell, and Vader lives in Hell.
Also it’s explained in the Darth Vader comics.
Flashbacks break Lucas’ style of editing. Notice how in all 6 of his films, there aren’t any flashbacks or major time skips. I feel like that’s a big part of Star Wars’ style that shouldn’t be hampered with. It’s part of what makes it feel like a serial.
That was frickin’ wicked, I loved it!
That’s my point. See, If its that straight forward of a path to becoming a Jedi. Then Anakin shouldn’t be confused in ROTS as to why he is not a Master. No conspiracy, just him failing to train his apprentice? That literally robs Anakin of the motive to not trust the Jedi. That makes it so Anakin knows exactly why and is simply choosing to ignore protocol. Where as him being too young in the eyes of his peers but with no clear age mandate makes it a personal choice by the Jedi and not one based on a strict sense of structure.
Ahsoka should have been a peer and friend of Anakin, not his apprentice.
THIS
I’ve always thought giving Anakin an apprentice was such a stupid move. It’s like taking the student with a B- in Geometry and making them a tutor.
I don’t understand why people make such a big deal out of that line. It’s obviously a lie to motivate Luke to want to use it.
That would ruin the twist in TESB entirely.
For anyone who’s less then 5 years old, lives under a rock, or has been in a coma since 1979.
They say “he is too old” because he’s already spent too much time in the dangerous outside world that he instinctually suppresses his emotions. Because what many people misunderstand about the scene is that they didn’t say no to Anakin joining the order because he was afraid (even Jedi Masters can be afraid; Yoda even says later in the movie that he’s afraid for Anakin’s training), they said no because he refused to admit that he’s afraid. When the Jedi were basically telling him, “Dude, we can read you’re mind, we know you’re afraid”, he continues to say he’s not. Part of the Jedi way is confronting fear and overcoming it (this is stated by Lucas), but you can’t overcome something you refuse to acknowledge exists. And it’s because of this that his fear continued to eat him up.
George Lucas has explicitly said the reason Jedi are trained from birth is so they never gain a habit in holding onto emotions or suppressing them. They’re trained from birth to let go. That’s why they say he’s too old.
Anakin wasn’t stretching the truth or lying when he said they’re encouraged to love. George Lucas has not only said that Jedi are allowed to love and should love everybody but he’s also said Jedi Knights aren’t celibate. What is forbidden for a Jedi is attachment, AKA possessive relationships. Lucas basically uses the Buddhist definition of attachment. What is forbidden is what Anakin did: putting your relationship over the greater good. Being so attached that you let it get in the way of the mission (when he almost ditches the mission to save Padme at the end of AOTC) and being willing to basically sell your soul to the devil and slaughter all the Jedi including the children because you refuse to let go of your wife. Anakin either knows but refuses to admit that he’s gotten too attached to Padme beyond a healthy degree or his emotions are so clouded he just doesn’t know the difference between love and attachment (as defined by Lucas).
This is explored in the Clone Wars: Obi-Wan loved Satine, and he wasn’t forced to suppress those feelings. But he never let it cloud his judgement or get in the way of the greater mission, and when it did (when he rushed to Mandalore to rescue her), it had dire consequences, and she died. “It’s not that we’re not allowed to have these feelings, it’s natural.” And if he wanted to pursue that relationship, he would’ve needed to leave the Jedi Order (because again, when you’re in a position in which trillions of lives depend on you, you can’t be imbalanced).
Now I will admit this stuff is muddled in the films due to Lucas’ flat style of writing dialogue (he doesn’t really take the time to properly explain these intricate details), but those are the intentions of the author, as shown by the many times he’s been quoted to say this kind of stuff.
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KuXsSo-o5A
I was the one that requested this, btw. I’m planning to use it for my edit (which I’m waiting for Revisited HD to make).
People keep asking why Vader was mad at Reva for letting Kenobi escape even tho he let him escape. This is because Vader knew Kenobi would come for Leia, but after they escaped he was concerned he was gone for good.
I remember earlier there was discussion about whether it was Lucas’ intention to depict the Jedi as flawed and arrogant and that they failed Anakin. Well the answer to that is no.
https://www.quora.com/What-was-George-Lucas-trying-to-say-in-the-prequels/answer/David-Talks-SW
I recommend reading this guy’s answers, he’s really good and does a lot of research.
This whole thread is so wholesome
Have we ever seen him that pissed off onscreen before? Because I don’t think so. And I think that one short scene is Vader’s best in the series so far.
In the Tantive IV in ANH.
Also this is a younger, more passionate Vader. It’s an adaptation of himself in the 2017 comics by Charles Soule. Which is what I’ve always wanted. And I can’t wait to see more of him.
And he still focuses his anger appropriately, as he does in the later movies.
He didn’t kill her because she didn’t actually fail. She put a tracking device on the ship and because of that they were going to find them and their base. It was just like what they did in ANH with the Falcon. They let them escape for a greater advantage.
Not to worry though, Vader’s definitely gonna kill her by the end.
That scene with Vader about to kill Reva was freakin’ awesome. Scared the shit out of me. And it screams classic Vader.
The scene with Vader about to kill Reva was freakin’ awesome