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#1395550
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The "Vader Edition" Star Wars Saga - Episodes 1-6 Edits (1/6 available) (WIP) (Revival)
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An alternative path I have just considered taking for the first half of ROTJ, is instead of taking place a year after ESB, it initially takes place very soon after, like maybe a month. Because if you think about it, why does it take them a year to rescue Han Solo?

So the Han’s rescue portion of the film would take place immediately after ESB, and then Luke returns to Dagobah, after which there’s a time gap of a year (or maybe it could be expanded to like 2 or 3 years to give Luke more time to train with Yoda and the second Death Star more time to be built). Vader’s arrival on the Death Star would be moved to after Han’s rescue and so on (because IMO it wouldn’t make sense for Vader to arrive on the Death Star and for it to take over a year for the Emperor to show up, nor would it make any sense for Vader and the Emperor to just hang out on the Death Star for over a year). The opening scene could be something like Vader visiting Padme’s grave, like in the latest comic series (since he is on an investigation to find who raised Luke), thus setting up his conflict with the light side. Not sure it’s feasible with what I have but I think that would be interesting.

The only problem I see with this approach is there has never been a time gap in the middle of a Star Wars movie, so I wonder if doing something like this would feel out of place or un-Star Warsy.

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#1394288
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<s>Why I Love Prequel Yoda</s> (<em>Outdated</em>)
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How does the Force being used as a superpower in this instance boil down the entirety of the Force to being a superpower? That would be like saying Yoda using the Force to lift up Luke’s X-Wing in ESB boils it down to superpowers because he uses it as an example of what the Force is capable of if he believes in himself. It’s showing one way it can be used.

It’s not the “wrong place” for such an opinion, Rodney. You are free to have and share any opinion you want here. I mean, I everyone would hate for this to be a gatekeeping, hivemind forum where everybody must conform, right?

Right?

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#1394030
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<s>Why I Love Prequel Yoda</s> (<em>Outdated</em>)
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Or it’s because of what I explained above? Because Dooku knew he had no chance against Yoda in terms of the Force so he changed the fight but was too arrogant to admit it, a very Sith trait and a general trait of Dooku’s character (always portraying himself as super confident)? Or do you just want to ignore that to fit your narrative?

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#1393895
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<s>Why I Love Prequel Yoda</s> (<em>Outdated</em>)
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It isn’t antithetical at all. Yoda is better at the Force then at lightsaber combat, Dooku is just too arrogant to admit that. Yoda is literally just dodging everything Dooku tries to attack him with. Yoda was dominating the fight. So he tries to change the fight to something he thinks he’ll have a better chance at beating him with, but he’s wrong there too.

It’s not saying lightsaber combat is better then the Force.

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#1393827
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The &quot;Vader Edition&quot; Star Wars Saga - Episodes 1-6 Edits (1/6 available) (WIP) (Revival)
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For Revenge of the Sith, I’m waiting for Octorox’s extended edition with better upscaled deleted scenes. Part of the reason it’s been taking awhile is because I’ve had some debates and back-and-forths about changing certain things, and because it’s my second favorite Star Wars movie I put myself under a lot of pressure to make it perfect. I’ve even started to consider whether I even actually want to include the deleted scenes for pacing reasons. I might even make two versions.

I’ve heard the Obi-Wan show is going to have a scene taking place during Operation Knightfall which will show a Jedi defending younglings from the newly knighted Vader. It sounds really awesome and like it’d be perfect for Revenge of the Sith’s Order 66 sequence. Not going to wait all the way till then to release my edit, but more likely then not there will be a future version of my edit that includes it.

I know I’m going to be doing V2’s for my Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones edits. There are errors I want to fix and some different things I want to do. Plus there’s an issue in which the highest it will let you select for Phantom Menace is 720p when it should be 1080p. So V2 for that one will be first.

For the original trilogy, I’m waiting on Adywan. His edits are just so fantastic that I want to use his as the bases for mine. Empire Strikes Back is going to be first of the original trilogy to be released because my edits are minor and Adywan’s version is going to be out the soonest. I was going to use bryantmh’s 1080p upscale but since Adywan is doing his own upscale I’m just going to wait for that.

I’ve considered using telecine’s awesome edit for A New Hope in which he redid all of the lasers and lightsabers, added Vader’s chest lights, and used the AOTC Death Star plans from the original ANH:R as the base until ANH:R HD is released, though another part of me is thinking that it may just be worth it to wait for Revisited, because it’s just going to be soooooo good from what I’ve seen. Same case for Return of the Jedi (as telecine has made an edit of it too with improved lasers and lightsabers) though more likely so as it’s probably going to take way longer for Adywan to finish ROTJ:R then ANH:R HD. We’ll see how long the wait is for Adywan’s stuff.

If we get a scene with suited Vader vs. Jedi from the Kenobi show it would be perfect for an idea I have for an alternate ANH opening (the other version would just start with Vader slaughtering the Rebels from Rogue One). Either that or I could see if I can use footage from Star Wars Theory’s upcoming part 2 of his fan-film (with Mace Windu either completely omitted or his lightsaber blade recolored). Basically the idea is that it would begin with Vader dueling multiple Jedi that have teamed up to distract him from the Battle of Scarif. He shows off his strength by defeating them and then shows up to the Battle of Scarif where we see him slaughter Rebels before the Yoda scene with Qui-Gon and then the beginning of the actual movie. My reasoning for this is because I felt like it would smoothen the transition between ROTS and ANH, be perfect visual exposition for Vader’s character, starting off the movie with Vader makes sense from a saga “Tragedy of Darth Vader” point of view, it shows off Vader’s power which makes him much more terrifying throughout the entire trilogy (imagine how much more terrifying it would’ve been seeing Luke attempt to face Vader for the first time in ESB if we had previously seen Vader wipe out multiple Jedi on his own), and showing the bigger universe and how these events impact the grand scheme of things. But that won’t be until the far future when it’s feasible to assemble. Depending on what happens with both of those projects the version that just begins with the Rogue One scene and then the Dagobah scene will likely be released first.

School has been kicking my ass and a lot of my focus has been on my dinosaur documentary project so that’s what’s been going on. I haven’t even worked on my Godzilla edits at all since I last posted those color corrected pictures on that thread. But thankfully Christmas break is coming up so I’ll have more time (let’s just hope work doesn’t decide to kick my ass instead).

I’m glad to see you’re interested in my version of the saga, that always encourages me.

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#1393039
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<s>Why I Love Prequel Yoda</s> (<em>Outdated</em>)
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SparkySywer said:
In the actual context of the scene that’s from, Yoda and Obi-Wan are talking about how Anakin fell to the dark side because he was unprepared and the Emperor manipulated him, and now Luke’s leaving Dagobah, with his training unfinished, to go face Vader. Especially since the Emperor wants Luke and his abilities.

I really don’t think it’s about the crazy Marvel superpowers the Emperor has, because, well, for one, Force Lightning isn’t in ESB, and for two, Luke never fights the Emperor in the entire trilogy.

HAHAHAHAHAHA (this isn’t even hyperbole I actually laughed so hard upon seeing this)

This proves you didn’t actually watch the movies. Yoda says to not underestimate the Emperor in Return of the Jedi. Not Empire Strikes Back. Force lightning is in Return of the Jedi.

I would think people on a forum called ORIGINALTRILOGY.COM would actually know jack and shit about the original trilogy.

SparkySywer said:

Watch the movies, because you clearly haven’t. I literally just provided examples for you completely ignored them. And another purist dude here literally AGREED WITH ME.

Also regarding Bede’s comments, what he suggested is another valid way to incorporate Yoda in the prequels, so I can’t really say you’re wrong, but I like what they actually did. I also don’t find the duels in AOTC and ROTS fake, I think they’re great, especially the ones in ROTS. Shadiversity (a guy who actually knows sword fighting) even did a video analyzing the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan duel move-by-move and he thinks it’s fantastic and one of the best choregraphed duels in films (he also analyzed the Last Jedi duel and found it to be absolutely horrible). But again, whether something looks fake to you is rather subjective so I can’t really say you’re wrong.

I’ve watched the whole saga multiple times and I’ve never heard of “Death Vader”. Must be in the alternate universe versions of the movies you watched, because clearly we haven’t been watching the same ones.

Also how is the Tragedy of Darth Vader story not coherent? He becomes a Jedi, becomes an evil Sith midway through the third movie, is evil for the next two movies and the greater part of the sixth one, and then redeems himself at the end of said sixth one. “Not being coherent” would be if Vader was a good guy in ESB.

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#1392788
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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Released)
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I can understand why it was omitted for scene transitioning reasons (with the arrangement you had there didn’t really seem like any good place to put it), but I always felt it was a shame that Anakin’s counseling with Yoda wasn’t in LOE. I think it’s a very well-written scene and it further shows why Anakin went to the Sith: the Jedi didn’t tell him what he wanted to hear.

It’s your edit of course, you can do what you want, but since you brought it up I guess I thought my thoughts might be appropriate.

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#1392763
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<s>Why I Love Prequel Yoda</s> (<em>Outdated</em>)
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Imagine thinking that Yoda just not ever involving himself into anything is more interesting. That would definitely make him quite hypocritical when he says “Do, or do not, there is no try”. He doesn’t say, “You’re better off just watching everything bad happen from a distance and not do anything about it.” Him knowing Anakin more personally is way more impactful and makes for a better narrative. It makes it so Yoda is more right to be cautious about training Luke. He shouldn’t just sit out as the entire galaxy goes to shit and the Sith take over. Like wow, what a great hero.

It’s not the EU that “rehabilitated” them, he just learned between the movies. It’s established in Revenge of the Sith that he became Qui-Gon’s apprentice, it doesn’t take much to realize that the change in his character between the prequels and the originals was because his perspective changed during his exile. There’s not even any EU stuff that covers what Yoda did between ROTS and ESB. Guess who also had character development between films? Luke, between ESB and ROTJ. He grew from rash and impatient to collected and wise. But I guess that wasn’t actually in the movies.

He didn’t say “Don’t underestimate the Emperor’s ability to manipulate people”, he said “The powers of the Emperor.” It’s a clear foreshadowing to his force lightning anyway, as the moment Luke lets his guard down and underestimates the Emperor, he gets attacked by force lightning. Force lightning is the payoff to all the talk of the Emperor being someone you don’t underestimate. And Yoda knew this, because force lightning was how he lost.

First, Palpatine shows more powers to Yoda then lightsaber dueling. He uses telekinesis and force lightning too. In fact the first thing he does is force lightning. Second, the force in the prequels is the same as in the original movies. They didn’t introduce anything new. Force lightning, telekinesis (Vader throws objects at Luke in ESB, force choking is technically telekinesis, Yoda lifting up an entire X-Wing), force speed and super high jumping (Luke did it in ESB AND ROTJ when he jumped up to avoid Vader, and Vader also did a big jump in ESB), seeing into the future, fast lightsaber dueling (sometimes Vader and Luke’s duels can actually be pretty fast in their most intense parts; the only reason they weren’t faster is because Luke is a novice force user and Vader isn’t trying to kill him, it makes a ton of sense that Jedi masters that trained for decades would be incredibly fast and powerful), it’s all there. The force giving people “superpowers” is not something the prequels introduced. They’ve been there from the beginning. The prequels just showed far more experienced and powerful force users more often using their powers (often because the circumstances were more right in the prequels to show off their full power; Vader was incredibly powerful but had to hold back the vast majority of the time). They’re just the original powers dialed up because they feature more powerful, experienced people who are more skilled with those powers more often in circumstances where they should use their full powers. Stop pretending the original trilogy didn’t have any force superpowers. Don’t pretend Yoda didn’t lift an X-Wing, Luke didn’t jump super quick high up in the air to escape the Carbonite freezing, Vader didn’t choke a guy that was in a different location then him and threw things at Luke, and that parts in his fight with Vader in ROTJ actually go really quick. Third, the prequels are nothing like Dragonball Z. They have just as much in common with them as the originals.

Also the force in the prequels isn’t just superpowers and fights. The Jedi fight as a last resort. Do you not remember everything Qui-Gon said about the will of the Force and how the Force will guide them? Literally the first discussion in the entire prequels is Qui-Gon telling Obi-Wan about needing to be “in the moment.” Qui-Gon was overall very elegant and faithful. I guess you also conveniently forgot about Anakin and Yoda’s talk about how he should “rejoice for those who transform into the force.” All the times they say “May the force be with you”? “Balance to the force”? The force is still very much a spiritual thing. And no, midichlorians do not remove that. They’re the bridge that connects living beings to the force, NOT the force itself.

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#1392559
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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DZ-330 said:

As long as Obi beats him good again and before vanishing for a second time tells him, “You still have much to learn, Darth.”

Hahahaha no

It shouldn’t be easy for Vader but it shouldn’t be easy for Obi-Wan. Both should be very powerful, with Vader having an edge in power but Obi-Wan has the edge in terms of wits.

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#1392548
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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NFBisms said:

You wouldn’t get Christensen back just to be in the suit, so I imagine there will be some flashbacks. But I’ll throw my hat in for some Anakin-desert-hallucinations or something Tyler Durden-y. Obi-Wan “seeing” Anakin as he goes on his adventures.

Well they said he would be playing Darth Vader so I interpreted that as actually playing him in the suit. I can imagine they’re probably going to do both what you said and that.

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#1392448
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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I’m incredibly hyped to see Vader again. I really hope they finally bring his juggernaut comic self on screen and the fact that they’re bringing Hayden Christensen to act as him is amazing. He was so happy to play him in the suit in ROTS and I can just imagine how awesome this must be for him. Probably a dream come true. ROTS proved he’s got the perfect build for playing Vader as well so it’s perfect.

I honestly don’t think they’re actually going to have him and Obi-Wan meet. If I were to guess his role will probably be attempting to hunt him down. But if they do meet I’d be interested in seeing how they’d execute it.

Please please have him duel Jedi.

I’m already geeking out so hard. The only thing that could make this better is if they brought in Liam Neeson, had him play Qui-Gon and had him talk with Obi-Wan and maybe even try to reach Vader. I think Qui-Gon’s inclusion would definitely make Obi-Wan’s side of the story even more interesting.

Very interested in seeing what they do with both of these amazing characters.

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#1392329
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<s>Why I Love Prequel Yoda</s> (<em>Outdated</em>)
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SparkySywer said:

What changed between when Yoda’s talking big to Palpatine and when he says “Failed, I have”?

Nothing to do with the Jedi or the Republic, or the Sith or the Empire. What changed is he lost a fight. That’s kind of what we have to go on, and that’s really the only real interpretation I think you can get from the movie itself.

Not to mention, why does he realize he’s failed then of all times, if he’s talking about some grand centuries-long, galaxy-defining failure? I’d say even before the fight, even if Yoda won, Palpatine getting as far as he did shows that something at least had failed. If this was all actually in the prequels, why wouldn’t he say this right when it became obvious that Palpatine was a Sith?

What changed was that he lost the duel, and that loss made him rethink everything that happened before then. Like thinking, “Where did it go all wrong?”

He didn’t say that immediately because it took him some time to realize that the Jedi failed the galaxy. He didn’t just lose the fight, he failed to prevent Palpatine from rising to power from the beginning. Sometimes it takes time to process such an immense amount of grief and loss. You immediately blame the thing right in front of you instead of the deeper things, the former being the Sith and the latter being Jedi complacency.

Nibcrom said:

So the full quote is:

“Into exile, I must go. Failed, I have.”

Yes?

I don’t think that line is necessarily a confession of failure over hundreds of years, but it’s MORE than “I lost a lightsaber fight.” If Yoda had beaten Palpatine in that duel, I’m guessing Yoda and Kenobi would stick around and try to restore the Republic instead of going into exile.

Why would they need to go into exile if they defeated Palpatine? They would just build a better Republic and a new Jedi order that’s less complacent and corrupt.

BedeHistory731 said:

I’d argue that Yoda should never have appeared in the PT. Establishing that he was exiled from the order in TPM would’ve been a nice subversion, demonstrating how far the Jedi had fallen since its “golden days.”

Mocata said:

Ahh but there’s the real problem, and keeping all of the ESB twists intact would require far more creativity.

Or maybe because it would contradict more lines from the original trilogy? Like Yoda knowing who Luke’s father was enough to say “Powerful Jedi was he” and “Much anger in him… like his father”. How else would he know to “Not underestimate the powers of the Emperor”? And how else would he learn “Wars not make one great” without having experienced that first hand.

That’s another thing that a lot of people miss. When he says “Do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor” that obviously means he faced him before. Obviously he was witness to the Emperor’s power first hand. That actually becomes a plot hole for anyone who removes that duel from the movie, because now how else would he know the Emperor’s power? It fits into the original trilogy perfectly.