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#1402047
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Complete Saga Radical Redux <strong>Ideas</strong> Thread
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sade1212 said:

I also don’t think the Original Trilogy works very well as a sequel to the prequel trilogy, if you know what I mean. You might have questions like - why does Luke only have to train for a few weeks, or a year at the absolute most, to become a Jedi? Why doesn’t Obi-Wan mention that Luke and Leia are related so they don’t keep kissing one another? How come no one can jump anymore, and fight like geriatrics? What happened to Sidious’ lightsaber skills? Why does Vader never mention Padme? How on Earth does Leia remember a mother who died thirty seconds after she was born? Why does Obi-Wan continue to wear Jedi robes on Tatooine? Why doesn’t it occur to Obi-Wan and Yoda that some of the ten thousand other Jedi might have survived? I mean, all of these little nitpicks exist anyway, but watching in release order makes them less apparent unless you’re being deliberately anal.

  1. I would say that looking at the movies alone, Luke wasn’t at the level of most of the prequel Jedi even by the end of ROTJ. The only reason he won against Vader is because Vader is pretty much half Anakin at that point. He was heavily conflicted and he didn’t want to kill his son. Also Yoda does say Luke is too old to begin. I’d also argue that a long time of training is also a good retcon. I just feel like it makes more sense for something as complex as learning to wield the Force would take time.
  2. That’s a problem with ROTJ, that was the one that introduced the retcon of Luke and Leia being brother and sister. But I guess you could say that he didn’t want to drop that ball too early.
  3. Bruh I think you need to watch ESB and ROTJ again. Luke jumps up out of the Carbon freezing thing in ESB, he literally jumps right over Vader in that same fight, and he jumps up onto the guard rail in ROTJ. Vader also does a big jump in ESB too. And I’d argue that the Vader and Luke duels weren’t like geriatrics, that was just the Vader vs. Ben duel and that was because of the limitations of the time.
  4. He didn’t need to use a lightsaber in that situation. The whole point of the climax of ROTJ is that the Emperor and Vader are both trying to get Luke on their side. The Emperor is trying to get Vader and Luke to fight (so Luke will kill his father or Vader will kill his son) and Vader is trying to do the same thing he did in ESB.
  5. Why would he? In what situation would he mention his wife? Also I don’t get your reasoning for why that’s an inconsistency, it’s not like when the OT was being made Vader never had a wife, unless you’re saying the OT implied Luke and Leia were the result of a one night stand.
  6. I will give it to you that that is a legitimate inconsistency but IMO Padme dying was a good retcon. If she survived she would go and try and redeem Vader, and I’m sure the sight of his babies would immediately turn him to the light and completely invalidate the OT. Or if she didn’t, I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t be able to completely obscure herself from the public eye and any sightings of her would probably immediately be reported to Sidious and Vader. She isn’t like Luke and Leia, she has a widespread public image. And I feel like Vader would be able to sense her presence.
  7. The Jedi just wore normal robes. Everyone on Tatooine wears robes. It isn’t specifically a Jedi outfit. Yoda wears the same stuff.
  8. Because the others didn’t survive. They were wiped out by Order 66, and any survivors were hunted down by Vader and the Inquisitors, which is consistent with what the OT says.

I won’t deny that they definitely didn’t follow the continuity of the OT to the letter but I don’t think these were the best examples. 1 & 6 are the only ones I feel like you could really hold against the prequels but I feel like they were done for the better.

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#1400610
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The &quot;Vader Edition&quot; Star Wars Saga - Episodes 1-6 Edits (1/6 available) (WIP) (Revival)
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Space Medievalist said:

I really like a lot of your ideas but I have some ideas that I think would make them even better. I think you maybe could somehow imply that Owen knew Anakin more than once considering how Owen is thrown into AOTC as an afterthought even though in ANH it is implied that he knew Anakin and Obi Wan a lot more. I’m not sure how to fix that but there must be some way.

Another interesting idea is flashing back to important scenes in TPM in AOTC like Darthrush did with his edit. Then you could have AOTC the first movie and then make a fanedit of TCW tv show as the middle movie.

With ANH I would suggest removing a lot of Motti’s comments about the jedi because he would have been around when the Jedi were in their prime. Also maybe have Luke say “You fought in The Clone WAR” instead of WarS since there was only one or you could change it to “The DROID War” because the droids were on the defeated side and wars are usually named after the side that was defeated.

You could also remove Leia being Lukes sister entirely like the radical re edit of ROTJ. It would not be hard to cut from Padme saying “Oh Luke” in ROTS to her dying skipping Leia. You could also get rid of the line “from a certain point of view” (god I hate that line). You could include the Boba subplot from the ROTJ radical re edit as well instead of him going out like a little bitch.

Good work so far tho

I’m not sure about the feasibility of the Owen idea.

I have actually considered doing something like this, putting the Anakin parts from Phantom Menace at the beginning of Attack of the Clones and calling the movie something like “The Advent of Skywalker” or something. My only problem with that would be that I’ve actually warmed up to other parts of TPM so I’m not entirely sure if I’d want to do that. Though I’m not sure how I would handle the second movie then, like which Clone Wars arc to use (there’s so many good ones I’m not even sure which one I would pick; I would want to pick one that shows off Anakin and Obi-Wan’s friendship a good amount), unless you’re talking about the 2003 series, which could also work, since the two together would be the length of a movie. I have also considered actually doing a 9 film saga, but instead of the sequels, there’d be a couple Clone Wars movies (if I were to combine TPM and AOTC there’d be three Clone Wars movies) and a movie using the Kenobi show. But for now I’m sticking to 6. I’d like to hear what you guys think about either of these ideas.

I’m not sure about those dialogue changes. I don’t even think Motti brings up the Jedi, he just says “Your devotion to that ancient religion…” which first of all, could be referring to the Sith, and second, is technically true since it was started a long time ago. And the war has been called “The Clone Wars” so much in-universe and out that I think changing that line would also just be really weird and pointless.

Not really feeling like making Luke and Leia not brother and sister. I’ve gotten so used to that that one in which they’re not would just feel… bizarre. And while I liked the Boba Fett subplot in the radical re-edit, it isn’t complete enough to integrate and it contradicts The Mandalorian.

TestingOutTheTest said:

Since there are many things you want that cannot be achieved by editing and limited resources, do you also plan on posting rewrites for them? If so, here is where you can post a rewrite of the saga.

I think that would be really cool. I’m still definitely going to do these edits because I would like to have preferred versions of the saga to actually be able to watch for when I do my saga rewatches but I think this would be fun to do.

It would allow me to do things that are unfeasible for an edit, like replace Vader’s No in Revenge of the Sith with how it goes down in the comics:

Xhorkis said:

Really liking these ideas, could I have a link for the first two edits please?

Thanks, I’ll send the link.

Since I’m waiting to do the Revenge of the Sith edit (but I should be able to resume work soon since octoroxx is almost done with his extended edition) I have been working on V2 of my Phantom Menace edit, I’ll post something here when it’s finished.

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#1400542
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The <strong>Original Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I don’t care for trying to preserve a plot twist that everybody on the face of the Earth already knows but I do actually really like the idea of Obi-Wan referring to Darth Vader as a Sith lord rather then just “a young Jedi” (a Sith reference in the OT is a great thing in my book, and I also think it just makes more sense from an in-universe perspective), Obi-Wan calling him “Vader” instead of “Darth” (also fits with new canon), and Vader referencing Padme instead of Obi-Wan. I know some people prefer changing ROTS so Obi-Wan tries to redeem Anakin and I can see some of their reasoning but I think the way they did it works better for characterization. Obi-Wan trying to kill him shows the flaws of Jedi indoctrination, fits with his attitude towards him in the OT, and Vader saying “Padme” or “Your mother” instead of “Obi-Wan” shows how Luke is both a more modern, different Jedi as well as having character traits similar to his mother, further reinforces how much family means to Vader, and is just more poignant IMO, calling back to the scene on Mustafar when she said those exact words to him.

I know there are a group of fans who think that later material just shouldn’t contradict older material and the older material shouldn’t be changed to reflect that, but I’m all for retcons as long as they’re good retcons, and all of the retcons mentioned are IMO good.

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#1398820
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George's Alternate Altered Trilogy (AKA, The GAAT) (ANH V1 Released)
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Oooooo, that’s really cool! It’s strange that I can’t find that anywhere, I searched all over YouTube for it. Is that the only video with the extended production footage you found?

Maybe attempt an AI upscale of the low res footage, and if you’re not able to do it maybe ask for help.

I think with some good editing (for your version I wouldn’t reuse the same exact audio for the extended parts that is used later so it doesn’t just sound like a weird loop) it would make for an awesome extended duel. I can’t believe George Lucas decided to restore the Jabba scene but not those clips. Then again, there are a billion edits that I can name that would be better then the Jabba scene.

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#1397678
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George's Alternate Altered Trilogy (AKA, The GAAT) (ANH V1 Released)
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I honestly think since you’re already using the 2011 Blu-Ray transfers that you should use xxtelecine 7xx’s edits as the bases for these edits instead. They redo and improve all of the laser and lightsaber effects so they are consistent with the rest of the saga (no more wonky Luke lightsaber jumpcuts, and the blaster bolts actually have their white cores), and in ANH it adds the lights on Vader’s chest plate that were missing and the edits the Death Star plans so they’re the ones from AOTC. They’re basically just the 2011 Blu-Rays but with improved visual effects.

And since you’re color correcting them, it’ll be perfect. It is still your choice though obviously.

Also regarding the Shuttle Tydirium scene that is out of focus in the 2011 Blu-Ray that I brought up earlier, you could also use the Despecialized edition which also fixed that issue, and it looks more like the 2011 Blu-Ray then the 2020 one.

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#1397313
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Darth Vader isn't calm in the original trilogy; he has always been very emotional
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JadedSkywalker said:

Vader is such a superior swordsman, he is playing with Luke. He was holding back the whole time until Luke lands a lucky blow and then Vader ends it by chopping off Luke’s hand.

I know that.

DuracellEnergizer said:

It’s almost as if ROTJ is an incompetently made piece of farcical

Yeah, you know, the scenes on Dagobah, the suspense with Shuttle Tydirium, Luke and Vader’s confrontation on the bridge, Vader’s redemption, Vader’s death and funeral… all incompetently made garbage… it’s not like those are beautifully made and some of the best scenes in all of Star Wars.

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#1397161
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Darth Vader isn't calm in the original trilogy; he has always been very emotional
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Zkin nailed it. I always got angry vibes from Vader, but he’s not stupid enough to get himself killed by beating at the controls of his ship. He uses his anger as fuel, but he doesn’t let it control him.

Also, in response to the claim that Anakin is loses it about every obstacle, there’s the ray shield scene in which he advocates for patience, and also pretty much everything else he does on the Invisible Hand except for the end of the duel with Dooku. I do agree that they went too far with his portrayal in AOTC though. But there’s also the fact that in the PT he’s simply younger and less mature. I think that was a good choice too on behalf of Lucas, to have him turn to the dark side when he was younger, because people are more impulsive during those years.

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#1397134
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Darth Vader isn't calm in the original trilogy; he has always been very emotional
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But I just gave a bunch of examples of how he shows his anger. It’s been well-established that Vader chokes people when he’s angry. It’s like saying he isn’t angry when he chokes Padme and kills Dooku. It’s a cold-blooded thing he does out of anger. And being angry doesn’t always mean losing your composure.

How is this (slamming his lightsaber furiously) calm?
https://youtu.be/GueBXRYVhe0

Also you don’t get anymore blatant then “Much anger in him… like his father.” Who is established to be Darth Vader in that film itself.

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#1397102
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Darth Vader isn't calm in the original trilogy; he has always been very emotional
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imperialscum said:

  • “I find your lack of faith disturbing.” (Extremely calm and witty response to a very professional provocation from Motti. One of the best examples.)
  • “I told you she would never consciously betray the rebellion.” (Even Tarkin gets upset by this point but Vader remains calm.)
  • He remains surprisingly calm even after one of his wingman rams his TIE fighter at the end of ANH. Probably the most irritating moment for him in ANH and yet he does not loose his temper in the slightest.
  • “You have failed me for the last time Admiral.” (This line is said in a very clam and cold manner. No sign of loosing his temper, even though Ozzel screwed up big time. The tonal stress on “last” is just a natural speech pattern since the word “last” should be stressed.)
  • “Apology accepted, Captain Needa.” (Extremely calm and witty line, even though Needa screwed up big time. One of the best examples.)
  • “Perhaps you are being treated unfairly?” (Calm and witty response to Lando irritating him.)
  • “You are beaten. It is useless to resist.” (Even though Luke cuts his arm, he is completely clam just moments later.)
  • He does not kill Piett at the end of ESB and just calmly looks around the space and walks away. His body gestures are evidently super clam in this scene, which is even a bit surprising.
  • Pretty much the whole ROTJ is one big example (especially scenes with Luke).
  1. I will maintain that choking a guy for insulting you isn’t being calm. He’s angry at him. People can still make witty comments when they’re angry. Case in point, Rogue One and the Revenge of the Sith novelization when one of the Separatists he kills says “We were promised a handsome reward”, and he says “You don’t find me handsome?” (the novel contains many scenes that were filmed but cut from the film, so this was probably something that was also cut). I don’t think anybody can argue he wasn’t angry in that scene. There’s also the part in the Anakin & Obi-Wan comic in which he gets mad at some students who call him a slave to his emotions, and he says “Tell me, what emotions are you feeling right now?”
  2. Vader saw her lying from a mile away. It’s an “I told you so” moment from him. When you see something coming it doesn’t warrant an emotional response.
  3. Just because he’s not yelling doesn’t mean he isn’t angry. Anger can be pent up. Besides, what’s he going to do in that small cockpit? It’s not like he can do anything that wouldn’t endanger him and the ship.

It’s like how Anakin was clearly angry when he was holding his mother’s corpse.
4. No, he’s angry, it’s easily discernible from his tone. The way he says “He is as clumsy as he is stupid.” also betrays that.

Also, you can’t forget “Asteroids do not concern me Admiral, I want that ship! Not excuses!” and “NO Captain, THEY’RE ALIVE.” He sounds angry, irritated, almost desperate.
5. Again, you can make a witty comment while angry.
6. He has no reason to be angry at Lando yet. And I don’t know about you but I picked up some irritated vibes from the way he said that. And there’s no way you can tell me he’s completely calm when saying “I am altering the deal! Pray I don’t alter it any further.”
7. That was before Luke hit him. He has no reason to be angry at him yet. He knows he can’t because he will murder him if he does. And after Luke hits him he gets very angry at him. He sounds pretty angry when he says “Don’t make me destroy you.” He even said pretty much the same thing to Obi-Wan on Mustafar “Don’t make me kill you.”

The scene on Mustafar parallels the scene with Luke in ESB in multiple other ways too, like how he proposes to Padme to rule the galaxy with him.

EDIT: actually, Vader is pretty angry when he says that. He was literally swinging his lightsaber furiously, even slamming two walls, seconds earlier.
8. He doesn’t because he’s too busy being sad and hurt that Luke left him. That’s the beginning of his transition to the light.
9. The Vader in ROTJ is different. He is conflicted with the light side. The director even made a conscious choice to delete the scene in which he chokes a guy as a way to show he is transitioning to the light. When Luke refused to join him that had a huge impact on him, as also seen at the end of ESB. The new 2020 comics make it clear that he is not his usual self in that film.

You also flat out ignore how I said that Yoda and Obi-Wan outright says he’s an angry man consumed by emotions.

The person above me is correct, he is more calm, but he’s not completely calm.

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#1396696
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Darth Vader isn't calm in the original trilogy; he has always been very emotional
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You make a good point, I did use the words wrong. I interpreted “cold” in the sense of opposite of angry or emotional (because I looked up synonyms of the word and it came up with things like “dispassionate” and “unemotional”). And regarding the word calculating, I was considering clarifying about how Vader and Anakin are both very good military strategists, but I thought I had gone on long enough. I’ll edit my post to remove the misuse of the words.

I also am aware that Vader was absolutely winning against Luke the whole time, but he was still holding back (which means that he had full control the whole time). If he actually was fighting at full strength the whole time he would’ve killed him. But he was absolutely winning nontheless. That’s something I love about the scene and the duel.

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#1396679
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Darth Vader isn't calm in the original trilogy; he has always been very emotional
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Kinda similar to my Yoda thread in the Beyond the OT forum, I’d like to share my viewpoint on something I kinda see OT purists maintain: this idea that Vader in the original trilogy is calm, and that his portrayal in new Star Wars media (Revenge of the Sith, the new Vader comics, Rogue One, etc.) as a very emotional man, full of rage and hatred, gets the character wrong. I think this is dead wrong, and I’m going to prove it, by using (mostly) strictly the OT itself too.

In short, Vader has always been portrayed as very emotional, mainly angry, all the way back to A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. Let’s take a look at Vader’s actions in A New Hope.

In his literal first speaking scene, he angrily interrogates a rebel soldier while choking him and then furiously yells at the storm troopers to search the ship in a very harsh, not calm or collected at all manner.

Then in his second speaking scene, he once again yells, this time at Princess Leia, pointing at her and telling her that she’s a liar and a traitor.

This is his establishing scene in the OT and he is not calm, he is angry and yelling. I seriously don’t understand how OT purists came up with this idea that Vader being angry is out of character, when in legit his first two speaking scenes in all of Star Wars, he is enraged and emotional.

But it doesn’t stop there.

In his very next scene, he gets angry at an Imperial officer to the point where he’s about to choke him to death because he’s talking smack about him and the Force.

That’s not calm and collected. A cold (in the sense of “emotionless”, not cold-hearted) person wouldn’t care if someone’s insulting them or something they care about, because they have no emotions. They’re detached. They’d shrug it off like nothing. But not Vader. Does choking a guy sound detached to you?

Ok, so we’ve established that Vader is a hot-head in A New Hope, but what about Empire Strikes Back? Yep, still there too.

We see him literally kill a guy over a mistake in the second scene he’s in, because he’s angry at him. You can hear the way he says “last time Admiral”, he’s clearly irritated.

Rational, calm people don’t murder someone over a mistake. This is him giving into his rage, his hate. He’s sick of him messing up so he gets angry and kills him. That isn’t being cold. Cold means unemotional, like a dead corpse. Anger is an emotion. Dead corpses don’t get angry.

And this isn’t a one time occurrence. He does it again, too. And while it’s implied Ozzel was a fool who made many mistakes, Needa made ONE.

He also gets a little irritated with Lando constantly questioning him, and the way he watches Han get tortured up close seems to give me the vibes that he relishes in it, which could be because he knows he had a part in destroying the Death Star, and for all of the trouble he’s been giving him throughout the film.

He isn’t calm or collected during the duel with Luke, at least not the entire thing. In the last part of the duel he legit loses his shit and swings at him mercilessly. He appeared collected before because he goal isn’t to kill Luke. He’s purposefully collecting himself because he knows if he goes overboard he’s going to kill his son in a millisecond, and even then he was still dominating the fight and wearing him down. But Luke pisses him off, and the second he losses it, Luke losses his hand.

In the original version of ESB, he’s clearly angry over having lost Luke when he barks “Bring my Shuttle”.

In fact, the ironic thing is, the new line in the special editions is hammered upon (by myself included; it’s the only thing that bothers me about the special edition of ESB) because he sounds so calm and bored when saying it. I’m sorry, but last I checked, I thought according to OT purists, Vader is supposed to be a calm corpse? Shouldn’t you love this change, then?

Additionally, other characters refer to him as consumed by hate and rage: Yoda.

Yoda: “Anger, fear, aggression, the dark side of the Force are they… once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will! As it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice.

Luke: “Vader.”

I don’t know about you, but what I got from Yoda here is that Vader was consumed by ANGER, FEAR, and AGGRESSION.

Also another thing: Obi-Wan refers to Vader as “twisted and evil” in Return of the Jedi, and yet some people think that Anakin in Revenge of the Sith should be completely sane and calm and that when he becomes an enraged, unhinged crazy person in the climax, like what Obi-Wan and Yoda said in ESB, they got his character wrong.

Another thing is that Vader has to be emotional in order to be a Sith Lord and be a dark side user, at least one as effective as him. The dark side feeds on the emotions brought up by Yoda earlier. If he doesn’t have any of those emotions, he’s not going to be a good Sith or dark side user.

Obi-Wan says in ESB: “Don’t give into to hate. That leads to the dark side,” and they constantly talk about how that was how Vader fell. The Emperor and Vader constantly try to convince Luke to give into his emotions. And this is technically using a prequel quote as evidence, but Anakin literally says in Revenge of the Sith: “The Sith RELY on their PASSION for their strength.” What’s one of the synonyms for “cold” on Google? “Dispassionate”. Sounds like the opposite of a Sith to me. And he doesn’t just say they use passion, he says they RELY on it.

And you can’t say “vAdEr wAsN’t a sItH lOrD iN tHe oT, ThAt wAs A rEtCoN bY tHe PrEQuEls” because there are multiple sources that Vader was and has always been a Sith from the very beginning of Star Wars’ conception, even from the very first drafts of ANH.

The original draft of ANH that mentions “the lords of the Sith” and that Vader is a Sith Lord sent by the Emperor. Also, “most ferocious” is used to describe Vader. Doesn’t sound calm to me. So explain to me, then, how it’s out of character for Vader to viciously slaughter Jedi and Rebel soldiers like a badass (like in Rogue One), when it’s his implied backstory both in previous drafts and in the final version of ANH (“…helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights”)? What version of Vader do you want, one that just commands his underlings to do all of the work for him? You just think it’s out of character for him because it isn’t directly shown in the OT and therefore it’s weird to you to see Vader doing that kind of stuff. But I love it, because now the threat of Vader isn’t just talk, we get to see his ruthlessness.

Then you also got the lost cut of A New Hope in which Vader is directly called “a Sith Lord” in the dialogue.

And while we’re at it, I should also mention that the OT also establishes Vader as a person who cares about his family above all else. Watch this scene. Listen to the way Vader’s talking. He’s not talking to him like an angry Sith Lord. He’s talking to him like a father. He’s talking to him like an emotional man who doesn’t want his family to leave him again.

The crawl to ESB says Vader is “obsessed” with finding Luke. Obsessed is a pretty strong word if you ask me. That requires a lot of PASSION, which is the opposite of cold. The Emperor and Vader’s first conversation in ROTJ is about how he’s still obsessed with his son. The entire bridge scene with Luke and Vader later in that film is also more proof that his son means a lot to him. He opens up to him, something you really can’t say about any Imperial officer, Sidious, or even Obi-Wan. He tries to mask it and pretend he doesn’t care (“If that is your destiny”) but that’s just a façade. He actually considers turning to the light (“It is too late for me, son”).

Also some lines from that scene also prove Vader has anger issues and is a very emotional man.

Vader: “That name no longer has any meaning for me!” (not really the line itself, but how he delivers it; it’s clearly something that set him off)

Luke: “I feel the conflict within you let go of your hate!”

And eventually, he does. His son is what turns him back to the light. He turns against the Emperor and everything he stood for for more then two decades because he loves his son, and family means so much to him.

So when he asked the Emperor if his wife was safe and alright and then got mad when he was told he murdered her, that wasn’t “out of character” either.

I’d say with all of this in mind, Revenge of the Sith, Rogue One (I mean, you literally have him choke a guy and then say a dark joke, just like he did with Needa), and the new Vader comics got Vader pretty spot on. He was always a Sith that gave into and was consumed by his fear, hatred, passion, and anger and became twisted and evil, unleashing his fury upon his enemies. He was always a (for a lack of a better word) clingy person, attached to his family to the point where they’re like an obsession to him. There is nothing to suggest he’s this calm person who joined the Sith because he actually thought they were morally correct. Vader has always been an emotional man, never a completely logical one. Besides, he has every reason to be angry considering how messed up, painful, and tragic his life is.

If you want to see what a calm, collected villain looks like, that would be Count Dooku.

Now this isn’t to say that Vader can never be cold. He was pretty cold to Lando and Han Solo in ESB. But that’s because he had no reason to get angry at Lando or Han. To him, Lando’s just some a dude who owns a mining colony that he’s never met before in his life, and Han to him is just some pilot, a tool to use to get to his son. But Vader does get angry in the OT. All the time. Even in those situations, it did seem that he kinda got a little irritated with Lando constantly questioning him, and the way he watches Han get tortured up close seems to give me the vibes that he relishes in it, which could be because he knows he had a part in destroying the Death Star, and for all of the trouble he’s been giving him.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk. I apologize if I ever sounded aggressive when explaining my viewpoint.