G&G-Fan

I’m curious as to the status of this edit. Most of the preview videos are gone.

Give Count Dooku vampiric red eyes, akin to his Dracula days.

NFBisms said:

I think if there’s one, individual Clone Wars arc worth watching, it’s The Wrong Jedi arc (season 5 finale arc). Written by a real crime TV writer - Charles Murray - it’s genuinely just good TV and has the chops to pull off its ambitions. When Ventress talks about turning Ahsoka in to “the bondsman”, I popped. It’s good stuff - just solid procedural genre fiction.

And so much of what the show nails is distilled into these four episodes. If you hadn’t watched previous seasons, it catches you up to the character dynamics at the top, and pays them off (for once) in a single taut plotline. Every other episode tables the character development for ROTS, and this is the only one to offer a new dimension to it.

I would agree if Baris’ plan made a lick of sense.

In order for her to have to have done everything she does in the prison, she would’ve either had to have an invisibility power or the ability to phase in and out of corporeal existence. And clairvoyance.

How did she know the exact second to choke Letta? How the hell does a Jedi run around a heavily guarded prison complex with troopers moving everywhere and literally kill some with lightsabers and not get noticed by anybody or caught on the CCTV? Tarkin literally says, “We don’t just have anybody running around in here”. In ANH, our heroes take over the control room (where the cameras likely feed to), disguise as troopers, blow up the cameras in the prison bay, and it’s also part of Vader’s plan for them to escape. Baris couldn’t disguise in trooper armor because her proportions don’t match. The prison is shown to have tip-top security, any Jedi entering immediately have their lightsabers confiscated, and are surrounded by troopers every second. They also can’t enter unless they’re asked there, so how did she get clearance to be in there, and why did her trooper escorts leave her alone?

The arc wants me to be mad at the Jedi and Tarkin, but like, it’s literally physically impossible for it to be anybody but Ahsoka. From their perspective, they did nothing wrong.
Even if Baris’ plan made any sense, Ahsoka’s only argument is, “But they should trust me!”… like they trusted Count Dooku, who Mundi and Windu stood up for, someone who was like a brother to them, only to then get betrayed on Geonosis? They gave him the benefit of the doubt and got their back stabbed, and you’re actually gonna pull that? What a complete lack of empathy. Almost as if we’re just supposed to see Jedi Masters as blocks of wood and not human beings. She expects them to just throw all evidence out the window, I guess. Guess they should’ve also trusted Vader even after those security holograms.
The logical inconsistencies have a ripple effect on every character (which is why, yes, plot holes do matter).

Peak TCW08 is the Umbara arc, Maul + Death Watch, and Fives Inhibitor Chip arc.

I love this style logo. I think it’s a good bridge between the more modern “saga” logos and the theatrical ones.

If I could get advice on how to make them myself, or someone willing to make them, I’d be very grateful.

A ton of interesting ideas here for sure. Your plot ideas for the 3 episodes are fantastic. I LOVE that we would see a suited Darth Vader hunt down and kill Jedi. That’s something I’ve wanted on-screen for a long time. I have the Vader comics I love, but it’s not the same as on-screen. The new structure would’ve allowed more time with Vader in the suit which I love. A lot of these edits sound possible.
It is my dream to one day, even if it starts a decade later, make my own Vader fan-film adapting my favorite comic arc, Fortress Vader, and I want to be the guy in the suit. It’ll require my own Vader suit, and once I have it, it’ll also allow me to also use it for any shoots I want for my own versions of the Prequels.

Me personally, I prefer it when Anakin’s turn to Vader is entirely selfish, rather then brought from mistrust of the Jedi. OT Vader was driven by power and ego. It’s implied Anakin went through the same tests as Luke, but as Obi-Wan puts it in an older draft of ROTJ, was seduced by what he saw one the other side of the door. Still, I understand many have different perspectives on the turn.

Regardless, I love your original trilogy edits and can’t wait for the Revisited trilogy to be done. Thank you for sharing your Prequels outline, too.

Han Solo and Darth Vader are both characters who became pure manifestations of the worst parts of their personalities.
By the end of the trilogy, the layers are unpeeled and the characters redeem themselves.
Though the trajectory of their arcs are not exactly the same, and don’t line up exactly from movie to movie, but broad strokes are similar.

Darth Vader, for the majority of his screentime in the three films, is a cold, rageful (tho contained), merciless, calculating, egotistical, selfish, even downright sadistic monster. He traps Lando in a deal with the devil with no intent on holding his end, lording his control over him. He tortures Motti for insulting him, Leia and Han for the sake of information and bait, threatens to torture/kill DSII workers to make them work harder. He uses Han as a test subject, not caring if he lives or dies. He torments Luke to get him to join him, threatens to do the same to his sister and to kill him. He kills Antilles, Obi-Wan, rebel pilots, and his own officers that fail him. He revels in his power: “If you only knew the power of the dark side!”. He makes sardonic jokes about his cruel acts.

Han Solo, when we meet him in ANH, is an overconfident, witty, suave, selfish, greedy, double-crossing pirate swindler. He lies and cheats for the sake of money, exaggerates the capabilities of himself and his ship. He makes up incoherent gibberish to Luke and Obi-Wan to sell them on the Millennium Falcon (“the Kessel run in less then 12 parsecs”). He kills Greedo in a sleazy, underhanded way. He smuggles drugs for a gangster and keeps sleazing his way out of paying him back. He gives off the appearance of not caring about anybody, constantly emphasizing that his first priority is himself and money over any selfless ideal. He initially refuses to save the princess and to participate in the Battle of Yavin. He makes fun of Luke and Obi-Wan’s religion, refusing the idea that there’s more to the galaxy then he might know.

Throughout his adventures with Luke and Leia, Han genuinely comes to care for them. He agrees to help save Leia now that he has an excuse for himself (she’s rich) even knowing the plan is crap. He’s extremely concerned about Luke’s well-being in the trash compactor. He chases the stormtroopers, telling Luke and Leia to return to the ship. His face when Leia tells him that money is all he’ll receive is rather vulnerable. It’s clear he already has feelings for her (“So Han, what do you think of her?” “Trying not to, kid”). He tells Luke “May the Force be with you”. Then, of course, he finally comes back to save his friend and revels in victory with his new friends.

In the beginning of ESB, Han is now a big part of the rebellion and willing to sacrifice himself for the sake of Luke, going out to save him in the frigid winter night despite the low chances of survival, and has a very steady, strong friendship with him. Han cares a lot more then he let on, in the beginning. Perhaps that’s why he used to pretend to not care at all.

Han is incredibly pushy, seemingly confident in his scenes with Leia, but the more I think about it, it’s because he feels like he has to be. He has to be overconfident so as to not be consumed by self-doubt. As some have commented on, his behavior can come across as borderline predatory, but I believe this is purposeful character development. He’s a scoundrel, as Leia says herself. He gets mad on Hoth after getting into an argument with her, refusing to talk to her until he hears about Luke. In the end, he’s right about her feelings for him, but what we see is that Han doesn’t take rejection well. Perhaps Han had relationship issues when he was younger, went through a lot of rejection in the past, and had to learn to be scummy and selfish in order to survive in the criminal underworld.

In ESB, we see small peaks behind Vader’s cold mask. Literally, as in, we see a big scar on the back of his head. Still, he is at most commanding and ruthless throughout the film. Vader’s goal is to trap his son into being a servant for his own selfish crusade for power. At the end, when Luke rejects him, he’s more fiery then usual (“Bring my Shuttle!”) and, in his telepathic communication with Luke, sounds more vulnerable then before. Throughout the film, he murders his officers in cold-blood when they fail him, even Needa, who just made an honest mistake and honorably took responsibility. Vader’s response is to jokingly throw it in his face after choking the life out of him. But after the Falcon escapes, he just solemnly walks away, sparing Piett, even after having threatened him, “Don’t fail me again.” There’s more to his conquest for his son then just wanting a Sith apprentice.

In ROTJ, Han is still his classic charming self and now takes an even larger role in the Rebellion. However, we see instances of insecurity in Han with his relationship with Leia. He has an awkward expression when she lays on him during C-3PO’s storytelling scene. He gets jealous that Leia confides in Luke but not him, scared that her having more confidence in him indicates she loves him more. Still, he makes the mature choice, apologizes, and even encourages her to be with Luke. He is rewarded by learning the truth, the situation was a misunderstanding. Han has matures past his insecurities. He doesn’t need to prop himself up with an overly confident persona, anymore.

Similarly, Vader is still the cold-blooded right hand of the Emperor, but as Luke presses on Vader during the conversations, it becomes clear that beneath his hardened personality is deeply repressed regret and guilt. Still, Vader is too egotistical and power-hungry to let go of the dark side, and even coldly states that he will kill Luke if he refuses to turn. It takes Luke making the sacrifice play, and watching his son on the verge of death that Anakin finally reawakens and sacrifices himself to save his son. Immediately, we have tender moments between father and son. In his death scene, Anakin is revealed to be an incredibly soft, caring, and sentimental man, wanting to see his son with his own eyes, even if it means he’ll die sooner. He was a man that lost everything in his quest for power, one who cared too much and went cold to not feel that pain, to feel invincible and satiate his ego. Who wouldn’t let go of that burning hatred for the sake of that adrenaline rush, to not feel the “weakness” within.

In the end, both men accept the vulnerable parts of themselves and find a new family, happy and healed.

adywan said:

One of my favorite shots of Darth Vader. His powerful black suit standing out amongst the grey throne room, complimented by the red guards and lights on the elevator. His confident, strong walk, despite full awareness he’s disobeying the Emperor.

You made it even cooler looking. Thank you!

Adywan talked as if he had full story outlines, but kept them a secret for when they’d come out.

I’m surprised he hasn’t shared them, since he has no plans to produce them. Perhaps some would be interested in taking cues from him. And also, it’d really satisfy my curiosity. I respect him greatly as a creator and want to hear his ideas.

I love how the opening emphasizes Han and Luke’s friendship so well. Han is willing to die for a chance to save his friend, and they have such a good dynamic he’s not mad at Luke for Leia kissing him. It’s a great way to make the audience fear they may never reunite and show Han’s growth. From the veneer of callousness to a real friendship.

G&G-Fan said:

It’s also why, in ROTJ, he loses to Luke due to internal conflict, and when Anakin finally redeems himself, he succumbs not only to the injuries from the lightning disabling the suit, but all of them.
This ties into his arc of accepting the natural course of life. No longer using the dark side, a twisted perversion of nature.

I want to clarify: the intent isn’t that Anakin/Vader can’t live without the dark side after Mustafar. That takes too much agency.
A big point of the 2017 comic run, which I think matches the OT, is that Vader chooses the dark side during his reign as a Sith lord, due to ego and power.

The reason he dies after letting go of the dark side and killing Palpatine in ROTJ is because without the dark side’s power, he’s too vulnerable to withstand the lightning and damage to the suit.
But he wouldn’t drop dead if he had let go of it prior. He’d go through a weakened withdrawal period for a bit, like a drug addict would, but he wouldn’t die. He chose not to let go of the dark side. This also means that he knows that saving Luke and turning back to the light will kill him due to the Emperor’s lightning and withdrawal, which is the point of the scene in ROTJ.

I don’t want him using he dark side for self-preservation, like he can’t live without it. I feel it victimizes him too much.

Spartacus01 said:

At this point, I think it would be much more simple to just rewrite the entire trilogy.

Most of the reason I’m making these is to make versions of the Prequels that I can enjoy watching alongside the OT. They’ll never be perfect, but still. I could and might still rewrite the trilogy, but it’s not the same as watching movies. Besides, there’s still things about ROTS I still enjoy despite my problems, just enough that I want to make an edit of it.

A lot of this is still doable I feel. If I can’t do everything I want, I’ll get it as close as I can.

TDS91939 said:

Love it all until I read the end, death by force choke. I love how you kept it as faithful to the original trilogy as possible but, the scene in Return of the Jedi; Luke asks about Leia’s mother. You’ve essentially created an inconsistency like George did

I can try to make her survive until Leia’s like, 2-4. I don’t know how to, but I can try to mull over it. And I want her to die in the movie. While I do believe the OT should be watched first in terms of the official versions of the saga, I want to attempt to make these edits successful as the first 3 movies. Because the OT is the best, and I think it’s cooler if the movies get better as you watch. As such, I need to show what happens to Padme before the OT. Otherwise ppl may go into ANH thinking she’s still alive and Vader just doesn’t know about her. Not my intent.

Some things I’ve been mulling over.

Payoff to Anakin/Vader craving Immortality
I’ve felt like I need to have a payoff for Anakin becoming Vader because he wants immortality, to coincide with the payoff with Padme. The OG film is constructed to have his arc revolve entirely on Padme, while my goal is to make that part of a whole.
I considered using footage from the Kenobi show of Vader speaking to Palpatine, but I didn’t want to contradict the Fortress Vader comic arc unless I had to.

Today, I realized that there already kind of is a payoff: Vader surviving getting burned.
By diving his soul into the deepest crevices of the dark side, consumed by rage, hatred, his now blood cold, he achieves what Plagueis had to learn to do (bc he’s the Son of the Force).
It makes sense, as in the new Canon especially, Vader is this nigh unstoppable monster (putting emphasis on nigh, however), symbolically like the Grim Reaper.
He can be pushed off a cliff, lose limbs, have a lava lake thrown at him after fighting an army, and then fighting an ancient Sith lord, and still comes out victorious.
I need a way to emphasize this power specifically in this edit. Some kind of visual. Maybe even have him actually fall into the lava like originally planned, so the audience will straight up be like, “There’s no way he survived that without a supernatural element”. Probably in conjunction with something else, because otherwise they might just straight up lose suspension of disbelief.

The power only works when actively using the dark side, which is why Plagueis was able to be killed in his sleep and why it’s ultimately useless to resurrect Padme.
After you’ve successfully use it to survive something, it remains “healed” even if you let go of the dark side, but you have to be consistently using it in order to keep surviving things like that, to stay that powerful.
It meaningly reinforces OT lines, such as, “If you only knew the power of the dark side!”, “You don’t know the power of the dark side.”
It’s also why, in ROTJ, he loses to Luke due to internal conflict, and when Anakin finally redeems himself, he succumbs to the injuries from the lightning and the disabling of the suit. Letting go of the dark side leaves him in this weakened withdrawal period, like a drug, which would last for days or even weeks, meaning he wouldn’t be able to survive the lightning in that state. He knew saving his son would kill him (which is the point of that scene in ROTJ).
This ties into his arc of accepting the natural course of life. No longer using the dark side, a twisted perversion of nature.
This is a general theme with the Sith: their usage of the dark side corrupts their appearance. Vader’s cybernetics (and his overall symbolic “undead” nature), Palpatine’s monstrous appearance, etc.

Darth Vader, in a twisted irony, essentially he gets part of what he wants, in terms of power for himself, but it costs him everything else. His wife, his mentor/older brother, even much of his flesh. He’s almost this Force demigod, yet deep down, repressed under his cold hardened persona, he’s miserable.
In Canon, Vader is more powerful then Palpatine, in terms of raw power; Palpatine’s hold over him is mostly psychological and based on contingencies; he has skills, such as his sorcery, that compliment Vader’s. Ultimately, despite all his power, he’s still unhappy.

Palpatine’s Monster Face

Speaking of the dark side corrupting the appearances of Sith, I really want to remove the element of Palpatine’s face being a result of lightning from Windu; his face needs to be dark side corruption related. That’s far more interesting and doesn’t create inconsistencies.
I personally go with the head canon that it burned off his “Force mask” or whatever, but for this edit, I want to remove any implication that it’s due to Windu.
Labyrinth of Evil does this by excising the entire force lightning beat, but at the expense of Anakin’s deliberation that emphasis his turn as a choice. Perhaps I could excise that but re-edit the scene in other ways to emphasis a conscious choice as opposed to a spur of the moment decision (which is not in line with my goals)? I’m gonna have to do some tests, but I’m open to suggestions.

New Final “Cold” Darth Vader Scene (ambitious)

Now that I’ve decided to keep his angry reaction to losing Padme (which I do believe is in-character, when presented correctly), I would ideally like some scene, with dialogue, showing that Vader is now completely hardened, like in the canon comics and the OT. I don’t know specifically what or how, though. Just something on the backburner of my mind.
I do feel that final scene on the Star Destroyer does convey this concept visually, but I still feel some kind of interaction would make it better. Not life or death though.
Even more ambitious would be to straight up film new suited Vader material, both bc the ROTS suit is odd, and I’d love to adapt a couple scenes from the comics. But that’s not really likely, especially in the near future. It won’t hold back this edit from being released.

More OT Tone/Aesthetic (ambitious)

This is more radical side, pushing the limits of what I’m capable of. While I can’t and don’t necessarily desire to remove all CG in the films, it’d like to do things to make the entire trilogy more OT-like. I’ve grown majorly attached to the theatrical OT, the practical models, costumes, and sets, gorgeous matte paintings, more classical designs and music, less over-the-top overall. The OT has some cartoonish comic relief that’s a part of Star Wars’ whimsy, but way too much in the Prequels. There’s much more of a balance of all of these elements that the PT doesn’t have.

In this movie in particular, the fights, often, are too much. I feel this way about most of the Prequel action. Even Duel of the Fates, when the time comes. It’s so overstimulating to me I often can’t even keep track of the characters.
In my opinion, the peak of Star Wars duels is Darth Vader vs. Luke in ESB and ROTJ. Perfect blend of ferocious fighting and character work. Not too over or under stimulating.
I also really need to make them not so extreme so as to allow for Vader, Luke, and Obi-Wan to shine as the amazing duelists they’re canonically supposed to be. Obviously Vader’s always been more of about brute force, this walking tank, with little agility, but I still need to tone down the speed of the PT duels so the OT duels don’t look so weak.

I definitely feel like I can edit down the duels, tone down the color grade, remove overly cartoonish stuff and the overly busy nature of so many shots (we don’t need random shit constantly thrown on the screen). Perhaps I can find the resources on the internet to make OT style mattes too. However, some ideas are beyond my capabilities.
A lot of this stuff will also not hold back release of this edit. Because even without it, I feel I’ll make something pretty good. But it’s a dream.

This is gonna be far more radical and perhaps push a lot of people away.

I personally think it’d be cool to add more aliens throughout.
Not like, turning Han or Tarkin into an alien (tho I stand by that something like that during the concept stages would’ve been just fine, and ppl only laugh at it bc of what we’re familiar with), but just turning some of the minor and background ppl, maybe even with speaking roles, both Empire and Rebels, into aliens.
Perhaps with the Empire you could go with more sinister designs, insectoids, reptilians, tusked mammalians. Though insectoids and reptilians should also be allowed on the Rebels side besides reptiles and insects aren’t evil.
I’ll even say that perhaps in my head canon, a decent chunk of the troopers are aliens under the helmet.
It’s called Star Wars, I think it’d ok to introduce more alien designs.

“But the Empire is racist and human supremacist” that’s what the EU came up with to explain the noticeable lack of alien Imperials. There’s almost just as little alien Rebels in the OT, all due to budget (with the exception of ROTJ; no Imperials as prominent as Admiral Ackbar, or even any actual alien Imperials at all).
The Empire are already tyrannical space nazis, we don’t need to throw in alien racism just to negate interesting designs, especially since race isn’t a theme in Star Wars.
Even so, maybe the Empire are racist against some aliens, but not others. I can’t imagine, realistically, that every single species that’s not a human would be treated the same way.
Besides, this may be a flimsy argument since it brings in the Prequels, but Palpatine was gonna have Maul have the role that Vader got. Before Anakin/Vader was brought into the equation, he would’ve had an alien as second-in-command. And hardly anyone in-universe even knows if Vader is human either.
I feel like most of the reason fans will scoff at ideas of more prominent aliens/turning some minor characters into aliens is because oftentimes alien characters are one-dimensional or cartoons (esp Prequels) so an association is created.

Obviously this isn’t an actual substantive critique of the OT. They’re my favorite movies of all-time. Same with my “making some planets more alien” suggestion. It’s just an aesthetic value that I’d find cool.

Maybe it’s weird to resurrect this old thread from years ago. But now that Adywan’s PT will never get made (which makes sense), I’d love to hear more about what he had planned.

I think it would’ve been awesome if Anakin wore the Vader mask, robes, and armor as soon he was knighted a Sith. Not only would it be badass but it would make sense for him to want to conceal his identity. He could have the mask off during his duel with Obi-Wan if one insisted that his facial expressions need to be seen for the right emotional resonance. Then after getting burned is when he gets the cybernetic lungs.

I also think it would’ve been cool if perhaps one were to take cues from Canon Grievous and have Anakin upgrade parts of his body with cybernetics, perhaps in an attempt to feel more powerful, an illusion of immortality.

Essentially, a more gradual physical transformation into Vader, that would logically coincide with a more gradual spiritual one.

Tragic loss. Thank you for voicing my favorite character, Mr. Jones. May you rest in peace.

Channel72 said:

My guess is they changed it because Tarkin dies when the Death Star explodes, but Vader survives. Thus, there is more “poetic justice” if Tarkin was the one who ordered the destruction of Alderaan.

Tarkin still orders the destruction, Vader is just the one who tells them to release the primary ignition.

He’s the link to the script: https://imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-A-New-Hope.html

Channel72 said:

You know, I don’t think Darth Vader really should be depicted as agile in the cybernetic suit. Vader in the OT - particularly during the ESB duel - was more like this methodical, slow-moving, unstoppable force that just keeps slowly advancing forward. I know people won’t like the comparison, but I think Vader was somewhat designed to invoke similar fears that someone might experience watching horror movie icons like Jason Vorhees or Michael Meyers just silently walking forward like an unstoppable hulking mass. Rogue One certainly capitalized on this aspect of Vader’s aesthetic. I mean, Vader basically lives in a dark tower on a Mordor planet - an idea going back to the 1970s, pre-dating Rogue One by decades. He was never meant to be agile like Darth Maul. He’s meant to be a slow, imposing, unstoppable hulk. These physical mechanics are inextricably tied to the design of his suit.

I agree with all of this, I never really said or believed he should be that agile either. I just get annoyed when people act like he’s geriatric and anybody in the PT would whoop his ass (they wouldn’t).

In the shooting script, Darth Vader is the one who orders the Death Star technicians to “Release primary ignitions”, thus making him more directly responsible for Alderaan. I wonder why this was changed.

Also, during Vader’s entrance, there were gonna be rebels that were so scared upon seeing him they’d just freeze and then frantically run as if he’s a monster from a horror film.

In the scene where Vader kills Antilles, there would’ve been “broken and twisted” rebel bodies across the floor.

Lucas was not screwing around with the script.

The script also refers to him as the right hand of the Emperor. However, I am aware that the script I read is a slightly modified one, as it’s the one that refers to Jabba as a slug, which was put in there later as an attempt to rewrite history.

TK42-WAN said:

Here’s the latest clip.

https://vimeo.com/791600370

Anakin meeting with Palpatine.

I wanted to hint at Palpatine’s fascination with the occult/ Sith. I’m a big fan of Polanksi’s The Ninth Gate and took a bit of inspiration from that.

I might want to try my own spin of something like this. How did you do it?

Tfw you read older posts and can’t see some of the mockups because the links have expired or they got removed.

Anyway I think it’d be cool to do new mattes for some planets like Yavin IV and the Endor moon to make them less Earthlike, more alien vegetation. Maybe even some new mattes for Hoth or Dagobah too. More alien creatures in the backgrounds or just weird alien environmental features. Not having a million things in the frame like the PT, but just neat little easter eggs.

Preferably they would be executed with matte paintings that look like they come from the 70s/80s.

Btw, since ppl were discussing how to do new Vader and Fett scenes combining previous dialogue lines, I have regular contact with one of the best Vader voice actors who sounds almost exactly like James Earl Jones. He even uses special equipment and can sound like Vader from any of the 3 OT movies, to ensure he sounds consistent with how he does in the rest of ROTJ.

It’s absolutely something I could discuss with him.

Connor MacLeod said:

I actually just checked and I own Vader 2017 volumes but haven’t read them LOL. They been sitting on my coffee table for a year but I got them because people said it was the best run. I just care more about film. A lot more. But i’ll get around to reading them…

That’s understandable, I prefer movies to books too. But they’re absolutely right it’s the best run. The 2017 Vader run is so good it’s my favorite Star Wars media after the OT.

Connor MacLeod said:

So you refuse to pick, correct? But it sounds like you like Kenobi less. And I agree with your observations but I was just wondering which series you thought was better…and you keep mentioning the comics but I don’t care about that in the slightest. I just want to focus on live action.

It only sounds like that because I didn’t rant about the Prequels.

It’s a bit hard to choose, but honestly, the Kenobi show is probably better. No matter how much it fumbles, the Prequels fumble more as movies and in some of the ripple effects it’s had, even if the they did inspire some good material.

It’s cool if you don’t care about the comics. I love them because I feel they bring back Vader to how he feels in the OT (in the 2017 series he’s definitely younger, but still very much like him personality wise) whilst making good use of Prequel ideas.