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#1424329
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Idea: OT Edits to Fit the PT and/or the Larger Saga (A Resource Thread, Hopefully)
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That was when he lost me. The fact that the people he was afraid of losing were both women is a coincidence. He was born without a father and Padme is his wife so of course he’s afraid of losing her. He was also concerned for his children too, which he did not know for sure was male or female. It’s not that they’re women, it’s how attached he was to them.

It’s as if he completely forgets about Palpatine, who was just as responsible for Anakin’s fall. Just like how he forgot that Leia wasn’t the only one of Luke’s friends he was concerned about.

His whole channel is overanalyzing things in the search for misogyny where none exists.

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#1424097
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Idea: OT Edits to Fit the PT and/or the Larger Saga (A Resource Thread, Hopefully)
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But starting Jedi training young has important narrative function. They do that so the younglings don’t have a chance to form attachments to their parents (or anybody else) and be taught from the start to not be attached. The reason why they said Anakin was too old to be trained was because he was attached to his mother.

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#1418934
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The <strong>Original Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Peter Pan said:

I don’t really know where to put my question, so I decided to drop it in here.
Does somebody know of a fan edit of ESB that does a decent job at removing Han’s predatorily behavior towards Leia?
And if not and if somebody has ideas to work around this issue with their romance, I would love to hear and discuss them, because its something I thought of sometimes without getting anywhere really.

What exactly was predatory?

What’s actually going on is that Han knows Leia has feelings for him and it’s obvious, but Leia is denying it.

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#1417253
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RocketJump's Video on Star Wars &quot;being saved in the edit&quot; is Literally a Lie
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oojason said:

1h 48m 40s into that 2 hour video you plugged on here.

He never bashes the fan restorations though, right after RJ brings up the restorations he just goes and comments on how some fans want to take away all of Lucas’ accomplishments because they were dissatisfied with the special editions and prequels.

oojason said:

De Palma? He is also on record as saying the crawl didn’t make any sense at all - ‘gibberish’ (?), kidding Lucas about the Force etc, what’s going on around here, that he didn’t understand the story, who are these people, who’s the hairy guy, etc’. “But you have to understand, we used to look at each other’s movies in order to be helpful. We might say some things that weren’t nice.” - De Palma also admits his harsh criticisms didn’t always go down well for some, yet Lucas never took offense to his remarks about the movie.

Isn’t the audio footage used by RJ from the HBO doc on Spielberg? Spielberg actually doing his De Palma impression? (it has been a long time since I watched it; I think it is - though could be wrong).

So, no… the RJ video did not lie.

He gave an impression that the rough cut was universally hated when De Palma was the only one with problems.

oojason said:

They simply quoted Richard Chew, from ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book by Rinzler, as saying:-

“In the first five minutes we were hitting everybody with more information they could handle. There were too many storylines to keep straight: the robots and the princess, Vader, Luke. So we simplified it by taking Luke and Biggs out”.

This is quite strange… as apparently ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book by Rinzler is a trusted and “peer-written published material” for you… yet now it is a lie? Huh, interesting that.

So, no… the RJ video did not lie.

The Making of Star Wars isn’t a lie nor is that quote, and I never said it was. What happened is that RJ conveniently left out parts of that quote that come immediately before and after it that prove that it was Lucas’ decision to cut those Luke scenes, not the editors. Nerdonymous literally shows the full quotes in his video.

oojason said:

they lied about the reasons the Death Star scenes were moved later

The conference scene on board the Death Star? What exactly is your reason for claiming that RocketJump ‘lied’ to be?

Seems it simply made more sense to the story to re-arrange those scenes, yes?

If you watched the video you would know that it’s proven through The Making of Star Wars by Rinzler that the reason those scenes were rearranged was not for story purposes, it was strictly for the reason that Scorsese thought there was too much exposition in the beginning. It wasn’t because the original arrangement made no sense.

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#1416985
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RocketJump's Video on Star Wars &quot;being saved in the edit&quot; is Literally a Lie
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screams in the void said:

^ LMFAO ! That is the very book that Rocketjump showed at the end of his video .

Except RocketJump cherrypicked it and conveniently left out the quotes that disprove the ideas that they propagate throughout the video.

Maybe watch the video I linked in the OP before talking.

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#1416921
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RocketJump's Video on Star Wars &quot;being saved in the edit&quot; is Literally a Lie
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Also I’d like you to point out where exactly he keeps contradicting himself by saying the rough cut is bad. He does have a central point: that the rough cut is not as bad as the video makes it out to be and the editors aren’t the only reason the movie is good.

The only reason you think he’s contradicting himself is because he’s saying that the changes the editors made really weren’t all that big and it works either way. He thinks that both the way the rough cut and the final cut did it is fine. I don’t recall him saying “Thank god the director removed the Luke scenes”.

The whole “rough cuts are usually bad” tangent was saying that even if the rough cut was truly awful, that wouldn’t be unusual.

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#1416918
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RocketJump's Video on Star Wars &quot;being saved in the edit&quot; is Literally a Lie
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oojason said:

So in summing it up… even after watching sitting through that 2-hour video linked by G&G-Fan, the RocketJump video is not “literally a lie”, or anything like it.

It is though. They lied about George editing the rough cut (he didn’t; and before you say that they never said Goerge edited the rough cut, it’s heavily implied and it’s what I and everybody else thought upon initially seeing the video), they lied about the reactions of the people who watched the rough cut, they lied about the editors being the ones to decide to remove the early Luke scenes, they lied about the reasons the Death Star scenes were moved later and framed the original arrangement as absolutely ridiculous when in reality, sometimes they actually did work (like having the scene with Vader torturing Leia right after the plea for help), and straight up lied that Marcia Lucas came up with the idea that the Death Star was going to destroy the Rebel base. Many times they credit the editors for “ingenious ideas” and it simply isn’t true.

And if you want to claim that The Making of Star Wars and all of the others books written about the production of Star Wars he referenced (which were all written by people OTHER then George Lucas) are lies and there’s massive conspiracy going on, then fine, but I’m going to trust actual peer-written published material over “Dude(s) trust me”. I guess all of those scripts are lies too. But the 12 minute video that barely bothers to pull quotes, that’s the stuff!

SparkySywer said:

…Does Nerdonymous think that the bloopers should have remained in the movie? I’d really like an explanation from Servii and G&G-Fan for why they think this guy isn’t (pardon my French) a fucking moron.

I’ll probably respond more to this later, but since this one is obvious, I’ll just say it right now. He’s being sarcastic. No, he doesn’t think the bloopers should’ve remained in the movie. He’s pointing out that it isn’t “ingenious” of the editors that they didn’t use those takes.

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#1416555
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RocketJump's Video on Star Wars &quot;being saved in the edit&quot; is Literally a Lie
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I remember watching that video awhile ago and actually thinking it was cool and informative and it’s used all over the place to try and prove the whole “George Lucas bad” campaign.

Then I came across this video. This really well-researched and thought out video that actually has credible sources and shows them really well… and it basically proves that RocketJump’s video is a bunch of lying, bias nonsense with misdirection and misinformation across the board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olqVGz6mOVE - (Mod Edit: a 2 hour video from the Nerdonymous youtube channel, titled ‘How “How Star Wars was saved in the edit” was saved in the edit (sort of, but not really)’).

So uh, yeah… Goerge Lucas didn’t suck and it wasn’t the editors that created Star Wars.

Sorry.

 
 

Mod Edit - 15th March: for clarity and a forewarning… the Nerdonymous video states the RocketJump video is “simply an attempt to discredit George Lucas” - and spends 2 hours attempting to discredit the RJ video in an abrupt, mocking and patronising manner. The Nerdonymous video is aimed at appealing to pro-George Lucas fans out there, takes aim at OT fan preservations and later claims some fans “they want to burn him (Lucas) to the ground” & “they want to take everything away from him (Lucas)”.

The RocketJump video is… ‘‘A video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became and is about the power and effects of film editing in general. The RJ video does feature a few mistakes - though some of Nerdanyomous claims and statements in his video are obviously nothing to do with RocketJump… but his issues with fans he considers not to like George Lucas - or fans seemingly acknowledging or praising others’ contributions to the making of the Original Trilogy.

The RJ video does NOT claim that ‘George Lucas sucks’ - or anything like, nor that ‘the editors created Star Wars’ - as the OP stated.

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#1415410
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Midichlorians Are Not The Force
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Mocata said:

The Force and the microbes are separate entities. And yet doing a blood test for them is normal, as if the Force power level is measured in Midochlorian XP. Once again the prequels try something vaguely interesting but muddle it so badly that it never works. Mysticism and biology become blurred making the whole thing reductive and stupid.

Now try and re-write this by saying that they are attracted to a Jedi somehow, maybe that would work. Maybe those who train hardest can absorb more of them and gain mysterious wisdom or something. But claiming that they talk to the Jedi and it never gets mentioned again? Just nonsense.

At the end of the day people like feeling as if they can vicariously live out the adventures of Luke etc. But if you say Luke is only strong with the Force thanks to his high M-cell count because of hereditary traits? Big surprise everyone hates it.

Because the more midichlorians someone has, the better they’re connected to the Force, because midichlorians are the bridge that connects things to the Force.

Also Luke literally says “The Force is strong in my family”. In fact there are multiple lines in Return of the Jedi that talk about how the Skywalker bloodline has a hereditary affinity for the Force (I believe Yoda also says this to Luke), so this isn’t a prequel concept.

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#1415200
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Midichlorians Are Not The Force
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I never understood how this whole misconception of “mIdIcHlOrIaNs rUiN tHe fOrCe’S mYsTiCiSm” thing started, it honestly really just seems to be that everybody just turned their brain off as soon as Qui-Gon started talking. It directly contradicts what’s said in the movie.

https://youtu.be/rU_wrhQrDh4?t=175

“Without the midichlorians… we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force.”

Clear statement that midichlorians and the Force are separate entities. It couldn’t be more clear. And yet everybody whined for a decade. It’s so stupid. It’d be like if when Darth Vader revealed to Luke that he’s his father, people went “Is really he though?”

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#1413604
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Worst Edit Ideas
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Anakin actually turns to the dark side because Palpatine promises to teach him how to return to monke

“He had such a knowledge of the dark side, he could even return to monke”
“He could actually return to monke?”
“The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural”

“I will do whatever you ask”
“Goooooood”
“Just help me return to monke”
“To return to monke is a power only one has achieved but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret”

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#1410921
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Which Vader vs. Luke Duel is Better?
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Self explanatory. ESB or ROTJ?

Kinda of a toss up for me. I think the actual dueling itself (the choreography and looking at it from an entertainment standpoint) in ESB is better, and plus it has the iconic “I am your father” reveal which is awesome and never gets old. But I think in terms of the story and context, ROTJ’s is better. The ROTJ duel is a battle for Anakin’s soul. It makes sense for the duel to not be as long as Luke doesn’t actually want to fight his father, and deep down, Vader doesn’t want to actually kill his son. The character stuff between Vader, Luke, and Sidious is excellent, A Jedi’s Fury is an amazing piece of music, Luke rejecting the dark side is great (I love how ROTS mirrored this battle with Anakin and Dooku), and Vader’s Redemption is my favorite scene in all of Star Wars. Scratch that, in all of cinema.

What are you guys’ thoughts?