Gaffer Tape

Anchorhead said:

ChainsawAsh said:

The garbage mattes should not be fixed - they were there in 1977, so "fixing" them is just another alteration.  A film is a snapshot of the time in which it was made, and effects flaws are a part of that.  I really wish the Raiders of the Lost Ark DVD had kept the cobra reflection, too.

I seem to be in the minority as far as this idea goes, though.

I'm in that minority also.

And I also.  I hesitated buying the Indiana Jones set for years just because I was so angered that they did that to Raiders.

Well, there really is no "OT came first."  That was simply all there was at the time.  There was nothing else to put first.  He wasn't "holding back" or "choosing the most exciting parts or easily filmable parts first" as he claims.  He had a story, and that was it.

Haha, I love it.  That's why I post here.  I don't even know if I could post at any other forum after being so used to this one.  I'd be banned in an instant for daring to let the conversation drift even the slightest!

captainsolo said:

The truth is it hurts to watch star wars now. I go for classic EU novels when I want a good SW fix. The GOUTs are painful to see-especially those damn garbage mattes!

I can't blame the GOUT for that.  I find the garbage mattes to be just as visible on the '04 sets as well.  In fact, that's when I first noticed them.

Well, don't forget that a large portion of the purpose of this site has shifted to fan edits and fan preservations.

Hi, Warbler!  Not used to seeing you without the William Daniels John Adams avatar, but it's good to see you again!

Well, I wouldn't go that far.  I always wanted to be Luke.  But, yeah, the obsession on force-users is quite annoying of late.  And it is interesting to realize how small a role they played in the OT.  I'm currently re-reading Lord of the Rings, and the dealings of the wizards (Gandalf, Saruman) play out in the background of the story.  And it's interesting.  But if there was a whole story all about Wizard the Grey, Wizard the White, and Wizard the Brown all sitting around in their council meetings... well, you'd have the PT, actually. ^_~

Ooh, a write-in!  Now this is getting interesting!

I'm gonna say Panaka.  There.  I said it.

Yeah, I never realized that until I read this thread, but, yeah, it's definitely there.  Very obvious once you know what you're looking for.

Yeah, except that he's immediately called "scum" by an admiral.  Some reward indeed!

Well, obviously I would agree that Godfather Part III is usually underrated.  ^_^

http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/boba-fett/

This thread reminds me of this essay by Noah Antwiler where he'd argue that Boba Fett is scarcely considered a bounty hunter.  Cracks me up every time I read it.

Wow, I was going for a lame G.I. Joe reference, but now I've been educated in something I didn't expect to learn at all!  Thanks, Anchorhead!

Now you know... (somebody finish it off here!)

That's what Carrie Fisher has said, and that was the type of tape she insisted was used.  And, yes, it would make sense, seeing as how gaffer tape would be in large supply on a film set, and it can also be removed easily without damaging sensitive areas.

rcb said:

from wat i understand is that at first, Obi-wan killed luke's father.

Nope, that was never part of the story (that we are aware of), although it would have been a pretty cool reveal.  The notion that Obi-Wan killed Luke's father was from the fake page of the script in ESB in order to preserve the true secret from even those who worked on the movie. 

Vaderisnothayden said:

bkev said:

Ditto to what C3PX said.

Also, Mr. Gaff, might I suggest an avatar of Son Goku or something?

 In many places on the net, a poster is generally the opposite gender from whatever gender their avatar is. I notice nobody giving Davnes this trouble.

Well, I happen to like my avatar, thankeeverymuch!

Okay, brief story time.  Two main reasons for my avatar.  One, when I came up with my user name, there really was no other choice but to go for Leia.  The moniker of Gaffer Tape in a Star Wars scenario only makes sense with Leia.  And two, back when I signed up, all we had were the stock avatars.  We couldn't use our own.  Due to the fact that most of the posters here are male, the Leia avatar the site had was rarely used.  Most of the females here did use it, but most of them didn't post very often.  Therefore, my avatar was almost exclusively mine and allowed my posts to be immediately recognizable.  And I've been here for so long that, when the new software launched last year, it was so much a part of my identity that I had to continue to use a Leia avatar.

And they all lived happily ever after.  The end.

xhonzi said:

But I agree with you Gaff, (it's so great having a female Star Wars fan that shares my innermost thoughts on the subject (PM sent!))

 I'm beginning to think I should start prefacing all my posts with "Tee-hee" or something similar from now on...

Actually, it was an actual body double for Tarkin in Sith, not CG.

As for the others, yeah, it's crap.  When watching the trilogy, I always considered Yoda and Palpatine avatars of their own sides of the force.  They weren't knights like Luke, Ben, and Vader.  Palpatine and Yoda used their minds, and the force lightning was a trait that showed that Palpatine was a bigger badass than anyone seen thus far.  So, no, I never thought about Vader having or not having the capacity to lightning fry someone.  But then the prequels came along and gave both Yoda and Palpatine lightsabers, so... yeah....  But to answer your question more directly, I never even heard before that there was a reason why Vader couldn't use lightning or that it had even come up.  But I guess it is a question that would come up with Dooku having used it.  Since Vader was supposed to be better than Dooku, it suddenly becomes relevant.  I'm sure it was just made up to explain the continuity flaw.

Next... the lightsaber fights.  Not only do I find the whole "old men vs. robots" argument to be utter rubbish and ridiculous-sounding... it exists to justify the fights in the prequels, but it is contradicted by the fights in the prequels, as we have old men (Dooku) and robots (Grievous) fighting in the prequel style.  That should be evidence enough to dispel the thought that that idea was actually in George's mind while filming the originals.

As for Vader's physical state, again, I never thought of it before George made that claim.  And if it's true, then it greatly diminishes what Vader is supposed to be.  Even in the first film, where he's just the "dragon" rather than an overarching villain he is still shown to be an incredible and fearsome warrior not to mention a formidable pilot.  He's menacing and powerful.  While in ROTJ, it's an ironic shock that underneath is a broken old man, if he were to be physically broken-down and pathetic, then he wouldn't be Darth Vader.  Furthermore, it always confused me in terms of the prequels.  The whole time Palpatine is trying to upgrade his apprentices with Anakin being the ultimate in that.  If Vader is so horribly debilitated in his suit and his midichlorian count so diminished with his missing limbs, then you'd think Palpatine would just dump him as a "necessary loss" and grab up the next best force-user he could manipulate.  Obviously Vader has to have a lot going for him.

And, finally, as for Tarkin and Vader, that's simply explained.  In the context of the first movie, the Sith were a warrior tribe who allied themselves with the Empire.  The Empire itself was not ruled by a Sith.  The Emperor was a politician, and Vader, a Sith, was working for the Empire.  The Empire obviously respected (to a certain degree) the powers of the Sith, but, again, Vader was considered a "dragon."  The true Empire was built on military strength, not the force.  Obviously that gets a bit more difficult to swallow when the Emperor is retconned to be a Sith.

Believe me.  It doesn't bother me in the slightest.  No need to apologize.

Have fun!

rcb said:

TV's Frink said:

Gaffer Tape said:

GARBLAHERGHEREFG! 

Garblahergherefg?  What kind of nonsense is that?  Blergen-hey.

 i think gaffer means that she's annoyed

Well... as flattered as I am that you think that, I'm not.  Annoyed, I mean.  Oh, and a she.  They generally tell me I'm not one of those either.

Hmm, you know, that's not a bad idea at all!  It'll probably be a while before I get there (I have my next two videos planned out, and some technical problems and my recent move are waylaying me at the moment), but once I figure out how I can make that informative and funny, I might give it a shot.