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#382475
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Only Imperial Stormtroopers... etc.
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I had a thought last night.  I remembered the scene where Obi-Wan died in Star Wars, and that George said it hadn't been that way until the last moment.  Originally Ben got away, leaving Vader "with egg on his face," but, aside from Ben not having anything else to do, George thought it took away from the menace of Vader, so that's why Vader kills him.  But then I thought about that.  Does it really increase the menace of Vader if Ben just randomly gives up and lets Vader kill him?  Yes, it was meant to make Ben seem more powerful, more in control, and it succeeded at that, but it doesn't seem like it makes Vader more menacing to play into Ben's hands.  I thought that maybe it would have been more powerful if Vader had really gotten the upper hand in the fight, had Ben's back to a wall, and the confrontation seemed lost.  Not go so far as to have Ben on the ground about to beg for mercy, but just in a corner, maybe disarmed, and, rather than struggle, gives in to his fate.  Then it would serve both sides of making Vader menacing and formidable while still retaining Ben's dignity.  What do you think?

But then, in between thinking of that and writing this thread, I remembered that there was a bit more danger than I remembered.  He was surrounded by Stormtroopers at the end.  I'd almost forgotten about that!  He was cornered!  He was trapped!  It was pretty much exactly as I'd wanted it.  But THEN I remembered that... these are Imperial Stormtroopers.  They suck!  In the prequels, Obi-Wan routinely fought his way single-handedly through regiments of droids and clones without breaking a sweat.  He even stupidly jumped into a ring of battle droids and General Grievous in ROTS. 

But, Gaffer, you will scoff.  Those are the prequels.  They're just ridiculous, they represent a different mindset than the original film, and we try to pretend they don't exist!  Good point.  What about the sequels then, where the heroes also mow down hoardes of Stormtroopers while only sustaining a single injury (Leia's arm)?  Most of the time, they didn't even have laser-blocking lightsabers!  Come to think of it, isn't ROTJ the first time we ever see a lightsaber used for that purpose?  I think it is.

But, Gaffer, Anchorhead will scoff.  Those are the sequels.  They're just ridiculous, they represent a different mindset than the first film, and I try to pretend they don't exist!  Good point.  What about the first film then, when Han and Chewie manages to chase down an entire regiment of stormtroopers for a little bit?  Still seems like the all-powerful Jedi might be able to manage something even in the context of the first film alone.

So while I'm on the subject of stormtroopers, how about stealth?  Apparently they're supposed to represent some kind of a threat since Ben tries to stay in the shadows and avoid confrontation while he's on the Death Star.  I suppose the only other time that really happens is in ROTJ when the rebels are trying to get to the shield generator undetected.  But that fails, and they spend most of their time killing any imperials who happen to see them.  I always wondered how that managed to work.  They were there for a whole day.  I find it hard to believe that none of the commanding officers found it suspicious that dozens of men never bothered to check in...

Well, anyway, those are some observations of mine.  My fingers are sore now.

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#382470
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Watching The Birth of a Nation
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Yeah, I have to be honest that I didn't really know how far out there it was when I rented it.  I think I'd only first heard of it when I watched the commentary on Forrest Gump and found out that it was used in that film.  And the back of the DVD case goes out of its way to be apologetic for the views contained within.  I honestly thought that, like a lot of old media repackaged for modern consumption, it was being overly accommodating for fear of offending sensitive people.  At most, I thought it would sympathize with the Confederacy and maybe have a few "Steppin Fetchit"-esque characters, so I was quite surprised with what I got.  At the time, I didn't know it was originally premiered with the title The Clansman, based on a play and book with the same title.  The DVD actually has excerpts from the book, and it's even more graphic and overtly racist in its descriptions if you can believe it.

Obviously the pivotal scene in the film is when the younger sister jumps to her death to avoid the pursuit of "Negro Gus."  The book's analogous scene is with a different female character who was ommitted from the film entirely, wherein a group of black men, led by Gus break into the house of this young girl and her mother, and Gus actually does rape the daughter.  The next morning, in shame, the mother and daughter hurl themselves from a cliff.  After that is a purely ridiculous scene where Dr. Cameron uses a microscope to read the impression of Gus on the dead mother's retina.  Didn't they use that tactic in Wild, Wild West?

My guess is that the movies couldn't get away with something so overt, so the end result is actually a bit strange.  Gus approaches Flora in a field and asks to marry her.  She freaks and runs off, and he gives chase.  Amazingly, he's actually given a line where he says, "Don't run.  I'm not gonna hurt ya!"  Eventually he chases her to the top of a mountain where she threatens to jump if he doesn't back off.  He doesn't so she jumps.  From a film standpoint, substituting an action-packed chase sequence was probably a more exciting and less threatening sequence than actual rape, but the "menace" of the black man is greatly reduced.  Aside from the poor decision to continue to chase her, Gus really didn't do anything wrong.  I don't think he ever even touched her, so the fact that he gets lynched for it certainly has a much more sympathetic context for us than Griffith probably intended like VINH said.  But who knows?

Like Warbler said, there is something about it.  I think I'm actually going to watch it again before I have to return it.  I admit that I do find it a bit embarrassing that I brought up the subject and feel that I have to constantly add several, "I am not a racist," disclaimers to anything I write here.  Hopefully, at least, I'm not giving the impression that I am, because I certainly am not.

In terms of censorship, though, I am quite impressed and amazed to find that it is readily available at a local Blockbuster to rent.  No matter how grisly or out of date the subject matter is, I am strongly opposed to simply pretending something didn't exist.  I wouldn't go nearly so far to say that it's a "blot on cinema history."  It's quite a marvel in cinema history, and the more I learn about it, the more amazed I am.  It was the first film to extensively use telephones in its production (Griffith ran telephone lines underground during battle scenes in order to relay instructions to different groups of actors), it was possibly the first film to utilize motion photography at night, and it's generally considered the first blockbuster in cinema history.  I don't think it necessarily implies that everyone who ever saw the film held the same viewpoints that the film expressed, but, like Star Wars 62 years later, it was just something that everybody had to go see.  So in all those respects, it is a crowning achievement in cinema history.  It just holds a reprehensible and extremely bigoted viewpoint, which I think is a major blot on the film itself, but the film itself isn't a blot on cinema history, if that makes sense.

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#382337
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Gaffer Tape's YouTube Reviews of Awesome Candy-Creating Goodness! (The Facts of Life/Star Trek III Conspiracy!)
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Thank you for all the well-wishes.  Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it at all, but it's nice to see all the support and friendly comments.  It's been a rough eight months or so, and the videos have actually been a fun way of coping, so I've been thankful to them for that. 

Blah!  Don't want to turn this thread into a downer!  Anyway, thanks again for the feedback.  Hopefully I'll be doing something soon.  I just wish more people here seemed to be familiar with Pinnacle to give me some advice.

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#382188
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Gaffer Tape's YouTube Reviews of Awesome Candy-Creating Goodness! (The Facts of Life/Star Trek III Conspiracy!)
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Well, thank you so much, bkev.  Unfortunately, I've had to go on a short hiatus for several reasons.  Here they are:

1.  I just moved.  My new apartment is pretty bleak.  There's really nowhere to film and not enough light in which to film, and I was forced to get rid of the lamp setup I used in my old apartment.  If I ever manage to find a job, maybe I can afford to start upgrading my equpment.

2.  Technical problems.  I don't know if it's my computer or my editing software, but it's been difficult converting my projects properly.  When I made Wonder Woman it took about four tries to get right.  Other times the dialogue would "hiccup" or stutter, and on one occasion, it left out an entire section of music.  More recently, I tried to make a demo reel for an editing job, and I never could get it to finish properly.  Those same problems happened every single time I tried to convert it, and it's never been clean.  I just can't see myself going to the trouble to make a video if there's no guarantee I can even finish it.  It'll be like G.I. Joe all over again.

3.  Health problems.  That's all I'm going to say about that, but they have been numerous and somewhat debilitating, and I really don't feel like getting in front of a camera anytime soon.

Haha, so, hopefully, once all those problems are solved I can finally get around to finishing my Wonder Woman series.  I appreciate the fact that someone's looking forward to it at least.  ^_^

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#382173
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Watching The Birth of a Nation
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So yesterday I rented The Birth of a Nation.  I had long since wanted to see it, and I had seen the beginning of it a few years ago via Google video, but this is the first time I'd watched it in its entirety.  Due to the discussions in the Politics thread, this seems relatively topical, and I'd like to get a discussion started on it.  Right after I watched the film, I wrote down a lengthy review of it, if you will, and I will post it here:

While I was at Blockbuster, I stumbled across their "Classics" section, and I ultimately got <I>The Birth of a Nation</I> as well.  It was a film I'd long wanted to see.  In fact, about three or four summers ago, I did start to watch it on Google video, but I never got very far.  I'm honestly surprised I have to explain this.  I figured most people, whether they were into film or not, had at least <I>heard</I> of it, but apparently I was mistaken.  So here's some short exposition.  <I>The Birth of a Nation</I> is a Civil War drama released in 1915.  I believe at the time of its release, it became the highest grossing picture of all time.  It was director D.W. Griffith's masterwork and a milestone in the history of cinema.  Actually, anyone who's seen <I>Forrest Gump</I> has seen a small segment of this film.  As most people know, the technical charm of <I>Forrest Gump</I> was being able to seamlessly place Tom Hanks into differnt historical moments.  At the very beginning of the film, he was talking about his ancestor, Nathaniel Bedford Forrest who was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.  Tom Hanks plays that part, and it shows him put on his robe and ride off with a bunch of KKK members in grainy black and white footage.  Well, that's Tom Hanks being integrated into the climax of <I>The Birth of a Nation</I>.  There, you just learned something.

The film was based on a play entitled <I>The Clansman</I>, and the film originally opened with that name as well.  It was controversial in its own time for its overly sympathetic portrayal of the KKK and demonization of the freedman blacks.  Needless to say, its content is even more divisive now.  And since I assumed more people had cursory knowledge of this film, it actually worried me a bit to check it out, especially since the clerk was a black woman.  I figured she'd take one look at the title and assume I was a terrible white supremicist, but I don't think she knew what it was.

I came home and popped this three-hour epic into my computer.  And... wow.  I'm really glad to have watched it.  From the perspective of a film historian it is fascinating.  I do enjoy silent films.  Seeing some of Griffith's attempts at early visual effects, like the double exposed elements depicting the burning of Atlanta, were quite impressive for 1915.  I also like the way he would tint the film's color to depict the mood.  For example, any scene depicting fire was dyed red.  I assume this was in the original film and not done later.  I mean, it makes sense to me that, since they couldn't film in color, a good alternative would be to dye the film itself to create certain moods.  So some scenes are in blood red, some in blue, some in beige.  Quite interesting. 

But wow, just wow.  Okay, the first half of the film is all about the Civil War, so you have your battle scenes and death.  Basically, it's about two families, one from the north, and one from the south, how they deal with their friendships and make it through the war.  The second half, though... ohh, the second half.  The second half is about Reconstruction, and that's where things get somewhat uncomfortable.  First of all, while there are mobs of black people, hardly any of them are actually portrayed by black actors, so you get a bunch of people in blackface, and, most of the time, it's <I>really</I> easy to tell.  Interestingly, there is a disclaimer before the second act begins, where Griffith writes that he has no intention of offending any race.  But, again I say wow.  Granted, the film <I>somewhat</I> treats the "blacks" sympathetically by saying they were just manipulated by greedy northerners who wanted to overthrow the southern way of life.  Before long, the town is completely controlled by the negro.  White people aren't allowed to vote while blind eyes are turned to black people voting twice.  Legislative sessions are filled with downright bestial black representatives who sneak swigs of whiskey and ogle white women, and, the pinnacle, one black representative who takes off his shoes and props his feet up on the table until a motion is passed that they must wear shoes.  It's pretty ridiculous. 

So finally, helpless and bullied, the main character decides the only way to stand up for himself is get all his friends to dress up in white sheets and ride around scaring and passing sentence on black people.  And while there are some scenes where characters debate over whether or not this is a good thing, the film certainly portrays the KKK as the heroes of the story.  There is a scene where the main character's little sister is accosted by a black man who wants to marry her.  He chases her through the woods and up a mountain.  She finally jumps off the cliff to get away from him.  The effect of her jumping actually looked pretty good, but, honestly, the effect was totally ruined by what happened to her afterwards.  It looked to me like she fell a good 50 or 60 feet at least.  Let's just say several stories.  Now, I'm not physicist, but I would be under the impression that someone who fell from that great a distance would certainly be dead instantly, and, more than likely, resemble roadkill.  While I can certainly forgive the film for not showing the carnage, I really do have a hard time accepting that the brother finds her still alive, only bleeding a little at the lip, and that she has the capacity to talk to him for about thirty seconds before she finally dies.  SHE JUMPED OFF A CLIFF!  So, yeah, I admit my suspension of disbelief was shattered a bit there, much more than the body of the girl was shattered.  But I digress.

The brother gets his KKK buddies together, and they hunt down Negro Gus (as he's referred to), and, in front of burning cross (tinted red, of course), they find him guilty, kill him, and throw his body in front of the home of the mulatto lieutenant governor.  And the most heroic music is being played throughout all of this.

The climax occurs when the elderly father is found with his son's KKK robes and is to be sentenced to death.  The family, chased by an angry black mob, manages to escape and take refuge in a cabin occupied by former Union soldiers.  Oh, and I just loooove the subtitle that goes along with the former Union soldiers decide to defend this Southern family.  It was something like, "North and South reunited to defend the privilege of their Aryan birthright."  O_o  Simply amazing...

Anyway, the family is pretty much screwed, as they can't hold off the hoardes forever.  But, wait, all hope is not lost!  After deposing the tyrannical mulatto lieutenant governor, the noble Klan gets wind of the trouble, and they ride off the rescue.  Wowy wow wow.  I have never, ever, ever seen a film that portrays the KKK as the heroic cavalry charging to the rescue.  The music, of course, was bombastic and heroic (and, just to point out, this is the part that was used in <I>Forrest Gump</I>).  It really was like being in Bizarro World.  They make it just in the nick of time, chase away the blacks, and all is right with the world.

Ohhh, but the ending.  The ending is probably enough to make anyone's jaw drop.  well, first of all, the main character gets to marry the girl of his dreams.  She had previously dumped his ass when she found out that he was a member of the Klan, but after the Klan saves her life, she comes to the conclusion that they were right all along, and she marries him.  Fair enough, I guess.  BUT it shows the town throwing the KKK a parade.  Then it shows the KKK disarming all the black at gunpoint.  And <I>then</I>, as what I assume is intended as a just comeuppance of the previous election where the whites hadn't been allowed to vote, and the blacks swept the ballot, the caption reads, "At the next election..."  Then it shows a scene where the blacks leave their saloons, presumably to go vote, only to find a regiment of KKK members pointing guns at them until they behave like good little negroes and go back inside.  And, of course, this is played completely triumphantly.

There is just so much to say about this film.  But, of course, I shall tread very carefully...  As a work of cinema telling a narrative, I have to say it does a very good job at what it sets out to do.  It actually succeeded in portraying the Ku Klux Klan as defenders of justice, and the main southern family as very sympathetic, while, conversely, making most of the black characters seem evil, amoral, dangerous, perverse, and all around underhanded.  Whether that's at all historically accurate... that's a different matter altogether.  All I'm saying is, that as a story, it works.  Hell, that's the reason it created such an uproar at the time of its release:  because it works.  The people fighting against its release argued that very thing:  that it had the power to influence people that that was the way things really were.

D.W. Griffith would argue that really <I>was</I> the way things were.  And it's certainly fascinating to see that perspective.  I've always been told that, in an argument between two groups of people, each group has their own side, with the truth being somewhere in between.  I would be willing to bet quite a lot of money that the members of the KKK saw themselves as heroic as this film portrays them.  Nobody thinks of themselves as evil.  But it's also the winners who write history, and the losers who are villified.  Had the Americans lost the Revolutionary War, we'd be seen today just like the South is seen in the light of the Civil War:  angry, backwards rebels who had to be put into their proper place.  Had the Confederacy won... well, I somehow doubt slavery would still exist today even if that happened, but the Confederacy would be portrayed, I'm sure, as heroically as Americans portray themselves in the Revolutionary War:  brave people fighting for their freedom and rights.  The other day I was reading about the assassination of the Romanovs:  the entire family led down to a basement and shot and bludgeoned to death.  From the Communist perspective of history, this was surely written as a great victory against an evil, despotic tyrant, similar to hanging Saddam Hussein.  From another perspective, it could be seen as a cruel murder of an already helpless family.  And had the Nazis won WWII... well, you get where I'm going with this.  Everyone has a perspective, and history will either glorify you or villify you in the end, and that's your legacy.  Take note that I'm not passing judgment; I'm simply making an observation.  To quote <I>Firefly</I>, which was conceived as an "in-space" analogue to the American Civil War, "I reckon everyone who's got a statue of himself was some kind of sunuvabitch or another."  Even in an interview 15 years later, he adamantly stated that the <I>original</I> Klan was necessary and good.  To those people who argued that his film was intended as a propaganda tool to help recruit for the contemporary KKK, he denied that vehemently, saying that the early 20th century klan was a group of bigots who simply adopted the name of the old organization.

So, in the end, all I can say about the story is that it made me think, which is always a good thing. It's made me want to do more historical research about the time period, at least.  It's a perspective that you would never get to see otherwise.  As Roger Ebert said of the film: "'The Birth of a Nation' is not a bad film because it argues for evil. Like Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Will, it is a great film that argues for evil. To understand how it does so is to learn a great deal about film, and even something about evil."  There is no way in hell this story would ever be made today, and that's probably a good thing.  But I do think people should see it.  It's a well-made film.  Its historical significance cannot be understated, and I think we're far enough along now that it's not going to incite any race riots.  But it is rather surreal to think that, at the time this film was made, the Civil War had only ended 50 years prior.  That's the same as us making a film today that takes place in 1959!  At this point, a film made about the Civil Rights Movement will have the same perspective, timewise, to that film made about the Civil War in that it's still relatively recent history!  When <I>The Birth of a Nation</I> was first released, there were a lot of people who were still alive who had lived through the Civil War.  It's so hard from my perspective to view the Civil War as that recent!  And that just amazes me.  So, yeah... I saw a classic but controversial movie.

P.S.  There actually is one more thing I want to add.  Again, it's about perspectives.  Here's a good example:  Abraham Lincoln is today seen as a hero (and I should mention that his assassination is depicted in <I>The Birth of a Nation</I> and is seen by the southerners as a terrible tragedy) and champion of race relations.  Any accusations that he's a war criminal and that he suspended habeus corpus and broke the laws of the Constitution are always swept under the rug in order to portray him as a hero and a great American.  Obviously if he had failed, we'd be talking about his faults rather than singing his praises.  But, of course, it stands to mention that Lincoln did not at all want the races to be equal.  Most people do know that, but, again, it's not really talked about because Lincoln is so awesome.  Conversely, when the whole Strom Thurmond/Trent Lott controversy came out a few years ago, it got some people talking at Ole Miss that we should take Lott's name off of the building that's named after him.  First of all, I thought that the "scandal" was totally blown out of proportion based on a flattering comment Lott made at Thurmond's birthday party.  But just because Lott said that Thurmond should have become President doesn't automatically mean Lott's a racist.  And even if it does, it doesn't automatically negate his total value as a human being, although some might argue that it does.  Racism is bad.  I strongly believe that.  Descrimination against any group of people based on color or nationality or sexual organs is bad.  But if you're going to villify Trent Lott you might as well villify Lincoln because, let's face it, Lincoln was a racist.  Most people back then were racists, although they wouldn't have been considered such in their time period.  If Lott is a racist, then, well, that is a problem.  But it doesn't mean he's entirely worthless as a human being.  If he is a racist, and that slant begins affecting his political policies, or he begins to burn crosses or beat black people, then there's a definite problem that needs to be dealt with.  A hundred years from now, civilization might glorify shit-eating monkey-fuckers.  Who knows?  And people in the future will look back on us and think us so uncivilized and backwards for thinking such an act vile.  Conversely, they might also think that keeping dogs as pets is horribly cruel to dogs and think of us barbarians for daring to do something so malicious.  Obviously I'm choosing the most extreme examples I can think of, but who knows?  If we are looked down upon for those behaviors and ideals, does that make us bad people?  Does that mean we were horrible husbands and wives, fathers and mothers, and treated all around us with contempt and hatred?  Probably not.  I'd hate to close this with a video game reference, but in <I>Mother 3</I> there is a character named Yokuba who looks like a Middle Easter peddler.  We are introduced to him through the perspective of a monkey named Salsa.  Yokuba treats Salsa horribly.  He beats him, gives him electric shocks, makes him perform humiliating acts.  Later in the game, Yokuba is shown to destroy people's houses when they don't conform to his ideals.  He is clearly intended to be an evil villain.  But near the end of the game, after the protagonists have killed Yokuba, they find his house.  And outside of his house is a little mouse who asks if Yokuba is coming back.  We learn that Yokuba doted on this mouse and loved this mouse, and that the mouse is genuinely sad that Yokuba might never come back.  The writer put that in there on purpose.  He said it was to illustrate that even the most horrible people mean something to <I>someone</I>, that even those who do horribly malicious acts are capable of love and of being loved.  And you can't help but feel a little sorry for this mouse who doesn't know any better, to whom this evil person was his whole world.  And while you obviously did what you had to do by stopping this madman, there is someone who grieves, whose world is torn apart because of it.  Again, just something to think about.  I'm waxing philosophical today...

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#381987
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clone wars season II
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TheBoost said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Gaffer Tape said:

That's not saying I haven't enjoyed EU, but if you honestly think it's anything more than a marketing push, you're seriously deluding yourselves.

 "but if you honestly think it's anything more than a marketing push, you're seriously deluding yourselves."

Yep. That's all the EU is.

 I don't follow. If you enjoy it, how is it any different than any other entertainment venture out there competing for your dollar? If George Lucas slavishly followed every idea laid out in every novel, comic, and RPG supplement, would that somehow make it NOT a 'marketing push?'

Would ROTS have been one ounce better if it was more closely tied to the adventures of Jangotat, or the BattleStar Space Medics? Would the new Clone Wars be any more enjoyable is the prodcucers made sure it tied in better with the 1970's newspaper strip?

What would be the product Lucasfilm could produce that is somehow NOT a marketing push?

That's not what I said, though.  What I said had nothing to do with one's enjoyment of or the importance of or the necessity of EU.  I enjoy the EU that I've read.  I read the Thrawn trilogy when I was in 5th grade, I've read Shadows, and last year I read Splinter of the Mind's Eye and the first four books of the X-Wing series, and I've genuinely enjoyed all of them and more.  My statement had nothing to do with that, though.  My statement was a reminder that, whether or not you like expanded universe material, Lucasfilm's attempt to make different levels of canon serves only to give themselves the best of both worlds loophole:  the EU material receives validation and is made to seem important in the history of the universe, but it can be easily discarded or ignored whenever the need arises.  It's as simple as that.  It's marketing.  That's all I was saying. 

To answer your question, no, I wouldn't have enjoyed ROTS more if EU stuff had been thrown into it.  I can't say anything about Clone Wars since I've barely seen it.  I tend to agree with VINH that EU stuff should be kept out of the films, especially since George himself doesn't follow it.  I think The Outrider in Star Wars is harmless enough in theory (except that it's a SE change and therefore shouldn't have been made in the first place--I'm referring to the practice of tiny, innocuous cameos in general), but it does present a mixed message that causes scratching of heads.  It's like Lucas is saying, "Well, I don't know what this ship even is because I haven't read this book, but I'm sure if I have it wink at the camera and can get my people to add a new entry into the databank, it'll sell a few more toys."

If you think that's a cynical view to take, it probably is, but I'm hardly cynical about it.  Like I said, C3PX was making me laugh.  It really is to laugh.

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#381754
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clone wars season II
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Oh, yeah, definitely.

It's also interesting to consider.  Anyone else in Lucas's position:  with six huge-grossing movies that he owns himself... he would be set for life, even considering his divorce.  I'd wager that most big-name directors that make 6 films as phenomenally successful as Star Wars would be set for life even if they didn't own the films, and especially if they did.  But Lucas has his own company to oversee.  And, aside from outsourcing ILM to other films needing visual effects, Star Wars is the only big money-maker keeping it alive.  So, unfortunately, Lucas will keep milking the franchise for as long as he possibly can.  Granted, it's still too big a cash cow from them to seriously consider ending it anyway, but Lucas does have an empire to maintain.

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#381738
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clone wars season II
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Haha, C3PX is cracking me up in this thread. Maybe a couple of you think he is being overly-cynical about the whole thing, but, if you think about it, that's exactly what it is. George doesn't want to have to bother keeping track of all these separate stories or limiting his story to the rules set forth by other authors, so he dismisses it, but he still wants to legitimize it so people won't think they're wasting their money, so that's why there are all these different levels of canon. That's not saying I haven't enjoyed EU, but if you honestly think it's anything more than a marketing push, you're seriously deluding yourselves.
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#381166
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Right to Death?
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Getting some hard-hitting topics now that Warbler has returned.  The Politics thread has has seen a resurgence, and the Polanski thread has people debating the justification of the death penalty.  So, yeah, here's mine, based on a glimmer of an idea from a post of Bingowings in the Polanski thread.  Should people be allowed to make their own choices of whether or not they are allowed to die?  And not just in the case of those who are terminally ill, but simply people who are extremely unhappy and simply want to kill themselves.  I'm probably a tiny minority on this, but I think they should be allowed to.  Seriously.  Apparently the reigning psychiatric mood is that any person who wants to commit suicide has a mental illness because only mentally ill people would want to end their own lives.  I don't agree with this.  I agree that people who want to kill themselves might be mentally ill and need help, but I am upset that this is the only conclusion.  I do agree that, just like the death penalty, it is better to err on the side of caution, though.  Well, anyway, I would like to open this up for debate or just thoughts.  I understand that this is a potentially inflamatory topic, so hopefully this can be spoken of in a mature fashion.

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#381152
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Roman Polanski
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Bingowings said:

If you meet a guy who his showing suicidal tendancies you could make some money selling him the drugs for an overdose or you could direct him to a good shrink (even if it's via the police).

I don't know.  Is it better to let someone who wants to die be able to do that?  (Hmm, maybe I should make a separate thread for this.)

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#381151
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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Warbler said:

40 items?  If she had that many items, the sales clerk should have told her that she couldn't use the express lane.  I can understand sales clerks letting customers slide if he/she is just a few items over, but 40?  That's just silly. 

The problem, of course, is that they combine the express lane with the cigarette lane, so every smoker, no matter how many items they have, will be going through it.

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#381073
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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Warbler said:

I hate people who go through the express lane(where a big sign is hanging say "15 or fewer items") in the Supermarket  with more than 15 items.   I also hate when they do that and then pay it with check and you have to stand and wait while they write the whole check out.    Couldn't you at least some of the stuff ahead of time?

 

Ugh, I totally agree! The last time I was out shopping, I had three items and went to the express lane only to find that the lady in front of me was totally violating the number rule. I was stuck behind her so long, I had time to count. She had at least 40 ITEMS!!!
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#380922
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Star Wars: In Concert; A Sign of More on the Way?
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xhonzi said:

I passed a bus today with an ad for Star Wars in Concert.  It was very close to the picture on this page:

http://blog.newsok.com/bamsblog/2009/07/23/star-wars-in-concert-coming-this-fall-to-oklahoma-citys-ford-center/

Hmmm... does anybody seem to be missing?  I couldn't believe it!  It reconfirmed to me that the focus of Star Wars isn't what it used to be.

Wow, what a poor oversight.  I'd be angrier, but since there isn't any huge image of "Anakin" (I only halfway count the Vader) brooding over everything, I assume it was an oversight rather than a deliberate prequel-shifting.  But, aaaah, how do you  make a Star Wars cast poster without Luke?!  It's madness! 

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#380812
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What can Be done to save the real original star wars trilogy from 1977-1983?
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I agree with Jay, but I also agree with the sentiment of Erik to an extent.  Yeah, they're not supposed to be extremely visible, if at all.  Like Ash said, it's the poor color timing of the discs that make them stand out.  But, honestly, the more times I see any movie with optical compositing, I begin to notice garbage mattes I'd never noticed before.  I was watching Star Trek II a couple of months ago, and, even though I'd seen that movie quite recently and never saw any before, I began to notice garbage mattes.  And the same thing when I saw Back to the Future Part II a couple of weeks ago.  An amazing DVD set, and I never noticed garbage mattes before, but now I suddenly saw them.  I think it's possible that my eye is becoming more discerning in these matters.  They're there.  Always.  That's all there is to it.  And most of the time, they're hidden to the point of not being a distraction.  So, no, I don't think they should be removed.  They should just not be made any more apparent than they were supposed to be.  A keen eye might catch one on occasion, but they shouldn't be jumping out at you.