Gaffer Tape

Yeah, I was that picture of Leia hiding on the Tantive IV that only the female members used.

bkev said:

We did have a rankings thread, but anyone who revives this is good in my book. Heck, the Slugster was already good in my book - this only helps.

Hey, I tried to revive the Rankings thread a few weeks ago, but nobody seemed to notice!

Vaderisnothayden said:

It's not certain the emperor would have been killed in the death star explosion. Maybe he could have escaped in the last moments like Luke eventually did.

Luke couldn't have handled the Emperor by himself. Not enough power. And if he did somehow kill the emperor he'd have probably gone dark because of doing it in anger. But I think Vader was very destined to be there. And I'm not just talking about the bloody prophecy. Destiny is mentioned in the OOT and I think it's reasonable to think that in a fairytale like Star wars the characters were destined to fulfil certain roles. Vader was destined to be there and the only question was what side he'd end up taking. Also, Luke wasn't just going to go hand himself over to any old imperials just o meet the emperor. He handed himself over because he knew Vader was there. Meeting Vader was a certainty.

Well, yes, of course.  Let's not forget that the reason Luke handed himself in had nothing to do with confronting the Emperor.  "He won't (emphasis mine) turn me over to the Emperor."  He apparently had no belief that Vader would even bring him to the Death Star.  Luke's entire motivation was to save his father.

I was nine when I first saw it.  Can't say it ever scared me.  It was always my favorite from the very first time, but I've always loved narratives that really amp up the danger for the characters, and I felt that Empire always pushed the series in the right direction for that.  Unfortunately, it did seem to scare a lot of children back in 1980, which was reflected in a drop in popularity from the first film, which prompted Lucas to go in a more "kid-friendly" direction with the successive films.

Whoo-hoo!  Carnage!

Yeah, I'm digging the new site, although I agree it's too narrow.

Haha, C3PX misconstrued my comment!

Sluggo said:

Would Trebek be using swords?

Sheesh.  Everyone knows that the penis mightier.

Well, hell, my question is what would the result have been if Vader had not been there to stop Luke's initial sword stroke on the Emperor?  I mean, I get a feeling he would have been able to deal with it... but what would he have done?

Point taken.  Maybe we should replace all promotional images of the Falcon with that little space pod.  All the Christmas ornaments too.  In fact, they should change it so that the pod destroys the second Death Star. ^_~

Anyway... I just thought of something.  All things considered, I accept the meeting with Jabba to be canon (tail-stepping aside).  It was an event that occurred, but we never needed to see it, nor were we supposed to.  At any rate, to argue against my own point from earlier, I just remembered that line from the Greedo scene:  "I was just on my way to see your boss," which admittedly does make it sound like Jabba lives nearby or at least on the same planet.  So the events as they happened were:  Luke and Ben make the deal with Han.  Han is confronted by Greedo.  Han returns to his ship and talks to Jabba (who apparently Han expected to show up there).  Assuming Han was telling Greedo the truth, he would have gone to talk to Jabba immediately after having finished negotiating, presumably to tell him what, well, he did end up telling him:  that he had just accepted a fare that would pay off his debt with interest.

I don't really know where I was going with all this:  I just thought it was fun to step back and look at the events of Han's life that day.

Sluggo said:

I love the idea of Imported Hoth Water.  Moisture Farmers.  Weird.  Maybe the taxation of water along the trade routes was just too expensive. 

Wow, you're right.  That "taxation of trade routes" angle sounds like a great idea too.  Maybe someone should make a Star Wars movie about that!

Darth Lars said:

Several good reasons for removing the scene have already been mentioned above. Here are a few more:

• This scene has become the first time that we see the Millenium Falcon. It ruins the "What a piece of junk" scene where the Falcon is revealed for the first time to Luke.

Oh, wow, I forgot to mention that.  It totally ruins the reveal of the single most important space-faring vessel in the entire series.  Rather than giving it an actual introduction, like a character, it's just... there.  We're given no explanation as to what it is, what its importance is, or how Han feels about it.  It's a central setpiece in that scene with absolutely nothing to do.  Truly terrible and probably another reason why it was cut.

There you go leaving words out of your sentences again, Warbler!

As for Xhonzi's request....  Um... Hmmm...  Well, maybe if fan demand gets high enough, I'll consider it, but I have a strong feeling that Warbler's opinion is pretty representative of the whole of the forum here.  Well, Rob notwithstanding...

Interesting you should bring that up.  I remember some debate here at some point wondering whether or not, in context of the original film, Jabba was a native of Tatooine at all.  Similar to the debate over whether the brown robes are Jedi robes or just Tatooine garb, it seems to have just become an element so ingrained into people's perception that, when it was time for those elements to be fleshed out, George just went the easy route.  This is one of those things that I suppose I can give him the benefit of the doubt for, since we'll never know for sure, and, unlike a lot of his cover-ups, it's not glaringly obvious.  However, I agree that it makes more sense that Han is simply hiding out on a planet far removed from the crime boss (planet that's the farthest from the bright center of the universe), and Greedo just happened to track him down.  The only other thing we have to consider is the fact that, despite the fact that the scene was cut, Han did encounter Jabba that day in the docking bay.  So is that evidence that he did live there, or did Greedo alert Jabba with enough time for Jabba to follow up on that personally from wherever he was?  I guess we'll never know for sure.

Ripplin said:

Gaffer Tape needs to fix his/her signature pic.

Well, technically, PaulIsDead needs to fix my signature pic.  But, yes, I agree it's annoying, and I'll remove it soon if he doesn't reactivate his image account.  ^_^

Hah, I had an answer all drafted up the other night, but my internet gave out before I could post it.  But ChainsawAsh said pretty much all I had intended to anyway.  It ended up on the cutting room floor for a reason, and it was not because of an unfinished special effect.  It was excised, and the movie didn't suffer anything for its deletion.  And, of course, older movies should not be modified to reflect changes in later movies.

That said, hello, and welcome to the boards.  Hope you enjoy yourself!

I'm sorry, but this is a problem that must be dealt with swiftly and with the highest severity.  No mercy.  They have two hours to comply, and then let the beating/devouring begin!

xhonzi said:

Yeah, I use Gaffer as my moral centre too.  If she's down with it...

Yes.  I am very pretty.  Don't forget it.

xhonzi said:

ME : Brent... you do know that Superman IS an alien, right?

Um... good job with the protection of his identity there...

Let's kill them.  For reals.  Feed them to sarlacc, pull them back out, and beat them with heavy sticks.  And then throw them back in.

xhonzi said:

TheBoost said:

 The X-Men.

They have a move series, multiple cartoon series, mangas, novels, actionfigures, tabletop games, and even comicbooks, and no one is having apoleptic fits trying to make those all tie in together into a seemless chronology. They don't even try to keep it consistent between properties. 

 X-Men comicbooks?  You're making that up!

Aw, darn, you beat me to that.  I can't believe that X-Men has become so popular that they've even branched out into comic books!  ^_~

Haha, Star Wars Facebook FTW!

Oh, wow, by the by, I can't remember if it was this thread or another one where I was expressing my jealousy over not being offered revenue sharing by YouTube... well, since this DBZ video, over the course of two weeks, has doubled the number of views my previous record holder had, I have now received that option.  Ha!  DBZ really brings out the fanboys, doesn't it?

This is probably more of a message to bkev than anybody else, but I got confirmation on last week's DaizEX podcast that the next episode previews have been juxtaposed with the ending credits.  I really wanted to put that in my video, but I was desperate to get that thing out before they did their review for fear people would think I was just copying them.  Since I wasn't entirely sure that was a mistake (although I was pretty sure), I decided to leave it alone.  But, honestly, to me, that's the biggest mistake of this entire set.  Thankfully it's easy for me to just skip to the next chapter after the episode ends and then skip back to rectify this mistake, but it is more of a pain than it should have been.  And since, from the American end at least, our complaints towards FUNimation are in regards to their attempts to "modernize" the show with a new aspect ratio and DVNR, it seems that not even TOEI was exempt from a bit of this mentality, assuming Hujio's assertion that it was reordered to fit in line with current anime releases is accurate.

I've said before that, from a purely filmmaking standpoint, this addition is probably the worst in the entire Special Edition.  Yes, there are things that are dumber and more agonizing from a fan standpoint, but, aside from the addition of the Jabba scene, there is no other part of the SE that RUINS THE PACING as much as this.  The Falcon is rushing back to save Luke, the music is pumping, the TIEs are closing in... AND THE FILM JUST FUCKING STOPS SO WE CAN WATCH VADER ARRIVE ON HIS SHIP?!  Whose crack-addled brain came up with that one?!

Check out this wonderful article by our own forum member zombie84 for a detailed answer to your question of Vader's physical changes throughout all three movies of the trilogy.  Hope it helps.

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/visualdevelopmentofdarthvader.html