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#179051
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Unorthodox Star Wars Beliefs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/179051/action/topic#179051
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I know I argued with you about 3PO, but I very much agree with the Jedi deserving to die thing, and I think one of Sith's good points was that it actually did show some moral ambiguity. So... really, I don't think it's heresy, but I really do agree with that. And I really like the Padme faking her death thing. That's pretty much refuted, but the story would work much better for me if it was true, so I like it.
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#178965
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Inserting deleted scene of Yoda's exile into ANH??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178965/action/topic#178965
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Well, obviously he's lying in another attempt to get us to believe that he always envisioned Luke's lonely father underneath that mask!

EDIT: And, Scruffy, you know I don't generally trust George Lucas, but I still take what he says about his universe over the opinions of other writers. And if George says that it's the Death Star, then, as implausible and annoying as it may be, it is, simply, the Death Star. I can choose not to accept it as part of my own canon, but that's the way it is. Same with 3PO's mind wipe. George was trying to reduce his continuity errors, so he took this easy route out. In my mind, I prefer to think that 3PO and R2 weren't even involved with the prequel story in any way, but that's simply the way it is.
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#178921
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Inserting deleted scene of Yoda's exile into ANH??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178921/action/topic#178921
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Originally posted by: Jay
All these ideas about incorporating things into the OT come from viewers seeing the two trilogies as a series of chronological events instead of films that are trying to tell a story. This is made evident by the many fans who say the films should be watched in chronological order because that obeys the timeline in which the events occurred. That's so backward from a storytelling standpoint I simply don't understand the appeal of it.

Could you sit a Star Wars virgin down and show him the films in chronological order without ruining the dramatic tension of IV, V, and VI? The answer is no. The impact of "I...am your father!" is reduced from a revelation to a "Well, duh!" moment for the audience.

The original Star Wars trilogy has nothing to do with the prequels from a narrative standpoint. IV, V, and VI tell a story on their own--the story of the rise of the Rebellion and the fall of the Empire. The prequels tell their own story also: the fall of the Republic/Annakin and the rise of the Empire/Vader.

The two trilogies present two completely different narratives, and the actions and events in each shouldn't be intermingled in a lame attempt to tie them together. The prequels would've been much better had they been treated as a distinct story without so many homages to IV, V, and VI. Natural connections between the two stories would've developed instead of the manufactured connections we had thrown in our faces like Vader building 3PO. Could it be any more contrived?

The prequels don't stand well on their own, and the same forced connections that make the prequels lame are poisoning the original trilogy. Hayden in ROTJ? Yoda in ANH? Just stop it already!


Yeah, it's like I've said before: the prequel is similar to a making of documentary. It tells a story that explains the story you just got done watching. You generally wouldn't want to watch the making of feature before you watch the movie itself, as it would spoil the magic. And you cetainly don't want to try to incorporate the making of documentary into the actual movie. That's just crazy! And from a narrative standpoint, there are many movies and plays and books that only work because they're told out of chronological order. The audience learns what they need to know as they need to know it... and at the end it makes sense. Play it out chronologically, and it's no longer interesting because there's no mystery. It's like in Citizen Kane, if the scene towards the beginning with Charles as a boy told you what Rosebud meant... there's be no reason to watch the rest of the damned movie!
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#178790
Topic
Inserting deleted scene of Yoda's exile into ANH??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178790/action/topic#178790
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
Threepio wasn't mind-wiped. The order was given, but never carried out. (Yes, I am a shameless Saxonite.)


I've read a lot of that, and it seems to have been written before Revenge of the Sith, since it misses a lot of plot points that occurred there, like Obi-Wan and R2 having a lot of direct contact with each other. And I really don't think that even George would write in that all-important mind wipe line if it wasn't actually going to happen. I mean, the whole point was to cover his ass.
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#178713
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BEAUTIFUL WOMEN NEW RULES IN FIRST POST (NSFW) UPDATED RULES
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178713/action/topic#178713
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Originally posted by: Bossk
Originally posted by: sybeman
*droooool* Yeah. That was totally the reason I bought the DVDs. And she's Canadian, too!


I loved how she's so damn hot, but, in the movie, she plays a complete sexual novice... "you mean you want to have sex with me? Oh we are SO gonna live through this!!!"


Well, actually, she's not a complete sexual novice. Mal first met her when she was having sex with Serenity's previous mechanic, Bester... in the engine room of all places!!!

But, yeah, I've always had a crush on Jewel Staite. As a kid, I always loved her as Catalina from Space Cases. And then, when I saw Firefly for the first time, I thought that Kaylee was extremely hot. It was only later that I found out that they were the same person! It was like... fate!
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#178710
Topic
Best Animated Feature Oscar Noms: Who should win?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178710/action/topic#178710
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I agree that, without a special animation category, it's rare that an animated film would ever win anything. So I feel very much trapped. Either you go off to the "kiddy" table and take what you can get, or you try to play with the "big boys" and get shot out of the sky. Our society is so stupid and judgmental. And, yeah, I'm very pissed that Disney shut down its traditional animation department. Some of the best animated films (or even films in general) were made by Disney in the '90s. And now, like YIYF said, all they do is make these crappy sequels to movies they made 50 years ago. I just watched my Cinderella DVD the other day and saw a trailer for a Cinderella III! How many more things can they do with that story?! I mean, come on, the shoe fits. The end!
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#178701
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I actually prefer the DVDs and can't wait for more edits, seriously.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178701/action/topic#178701
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Originally posted by: GeorgeLucasIsANarcissist
Originally posted by: marioxb
I agree with Lucas 100% on every change.

Originally posted by: marioxb
But I do love every version of Star Wars out there, the newer the better.


You sure are enthusiastic about the changes Lucas keeps making to the trilogy for someone who professes to not even notice 99% of them.

mario in '77: "Hell yeah! Did you just see that? Han just smoked Greedo before Greedo even knew what was coming! Then he flips a coin to the bartender and walks away like a badass! Great scene!"

mario in '97: "Yes!! Greedo shot and missed Han from point blank range, and only then did Han shoot back! Clearly, this is THE way this scene was meant to be shot. Brilliant!"

mario in '05: "Awesome! Greedo and Han shot each other simultaneously, and Greedo missed while Han's shot found it's target! Can you imagine this scene playing out any better? I sure as hell couldn't! Fantastic stuff! This is how it was always meant to go down!" <High-fives friend>

mario in '07: "Dude, did you see where Han beat Greedo in rock-paper-scissors in the cantina? So perfect! Looking back, I can't imagine that scene any other way. Just standard Lucas genius, baby!"


Just have to say... that was really, really funny.
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#178695
Topic
Inserting deleted scene of Yoda's exile into ANH??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178695/action/topic#178695
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Having all these past character relations was a horrible idea on Lucas's part. Before, they were just a ragtag group who, due to circumstances, banded together and became a crew, if you will. Now you find out that they all have this past together. Everyone's always known everyone else, and it seems like the Star Wars universe is inhabited by only about 20 people who keep finding themselves in the center of everything important.