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#253007
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Here's my stance
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Once again, I totally agree with Obi Jeewhyen. I also think it makes our stance look a little less legitimate if we're complaining about how we think it's stupid for Lucas to change his movies but whole-heartedly agree with Tolkien changing his books. It makes us seem more like the whiny hatemongers that Go-Mer accuses us of being. I'm against the whole practice on principle. I don't have it in for George specifically. And there have been changes in the OT that I actually like, like the replacement of Yub-Nub. I've admitted that. But I'd still prefer Yub-Nub over the new song simply because it's the original song and belongs in the movie more so than the new one. So it has nothing to do with my preference, just my opinion that once art is released to the public, it should not be altered in any way.
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#252929
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Is Lucas Remaking The PT?
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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
"Lucas hasn't dropped the ball yet on any of the movies, be they O-OT, SE or PT, so if he wants to add in scenes of abortive, gender-altering surgery and simian infestations of the lower colon, then I think we should all be open-minded enough to see it from his point of view, that's all."

Is he serious? Even Lucas wouldn't put such a depraved scene that would require a new rating from the MPAA. And so what if Lucas made films everyone still loves. Anakin was a good friend to Obi Wan. But did that mean Ben had to accept him (as the master) in Star Wars? Of course not.


If you'll read the post more carefully, you will see that it was "Never, in fact, posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic" but that it was stuck in a quote box regardless.
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#252567
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The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252567/action/topic#252567
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You're right. TPM shouldn't have to tell you about the Force since it's already explained in Star Wars. But, uh-oh, that theory only works if you watch Star Wars as the first Star Wars movie (imagine that). If you watch them in numerical order, that means you have to watch the Force in action for three movies without really knowing what it is.
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#252532
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Here's my stance
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252532/action/topic#252532
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
As someone pointed out on this forum a while back. Tolkien did alter the Hobbit's riddle scene with Gollum. Initially the ring was an openly revealed prize, but in light of the LotR books, Tolkien knew that Gollum would not riddle for something with that much control over him.

Though, Tolkien never erased that previous version of the Hobbit and even worked the old version into his newer version as a story element. It became a lie that Bilbo told to ease his conscience, which was an awesome way to make a change like this.


I agree. But it would have worked a lot better if it had just been kept that way. The Hobbit told the lie, and the lie was revealed in LOTR. It makes less sense when he went back to The Hobbit and changed it so that Gollum doesn't openly bargain the ring. Now we have Bilbo's story telling the truth, yet he admits the non-existant lie in LOTR.
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#252415
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My girlfriend has never seen Star Wars!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252415/action/topic#252415
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
So you've got a girl who was trying to jump your bones while watching Star Wars, and then you basically said "No! This is Star Wars! You must watch!" and kept fending her off, and she still wanted to jump in bed after the movie? That's a keeper, man.

No, if, after ROTJ, she says "I'll put on a gold bikini for you" THEN she's a keeper.


I second that. Although buying you a life-sized cardboard cutout of Leia in the bikini (like my girlfriend did) is pretty damned close, in my opinion.
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#252131
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Here's my stance
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252131/action/topic#252131
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Let me know when Lucas shows up at your house to alter copies of his movies you have already purchased.

I can see why some artists don't bother to make a movie as good as they can. After all it costs time and money.

I guess that's part of the reason I respect Lucas for caring more than most directors would about making his movie as close to what he was trying to do as he can.


Here's an example of you totally missing the point of a post. Not going back and altering your film to make it "better" does not in any way indicate that they don't care, or they didn't put their full efforts into it the first time. By that logic, you could say that George Lucas only put 25% of his efforts into making the first Star Wars movie, because that's how complete he said it was. We know that's not true, because the man almost had a heart attack making that movie. The point is that you do the best you can while you're working on a movie. It's not going to a perfect, but nothing ever is. It's almost like playing a sport. You have your chance during the game to score as many points and be the best player you can, but once it's over, you have what you have. You did the best you can, and you're left to reflect on it. And I think going back 20 years later and easily fixing things with new technology is almost a slap in the face to the blood, sweat, and tears you went through to make it the first time with lesser technology. I know I'd feel that way... I could never cover up my hard work with something "better" that came so much more easily. Apparently, George feels differently.
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#252065
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Here's my stance
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252065/action/topic#252065
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
In truth, though I don't care enough to protest outside studios, I distinctively dislike it when filmmakers "correct" mistakes that made it through to the theatrical version of their film, barely noticeable on an 80' screen, seen by millions of people. The car erasure in LotR is lame, as is the cobra-glass reflection elimination in Raiders of the Lost Ark. These were not independent art house films seen by a few hundred people; they were mega-hits seen by millions, with these mistakes deemed "good enough" for such viewing. And with dozens of similar mistakes still in the films after the directors chose to clean up a selective few. It's revisionism, and I'm not in favor of it.

Neither example, however, alters the film to any significant degree. I just think it's silly, and is closing the barn door after the horse has come home.


I totally agree with everything you just said. Once the film is shipped off to theatres, it's done. The end. The only reason I have yet to buy the Indiana Jones set is because of those tiny, miniscule changes like the reflected snake. It just drives me crazy to think of crap like that being done when it's not at all necessary. And it's never necessary. IT'S A MOVIE! It's not perfect. So you missed it in the editing room that a car drove through your frame. Would it have been better if you had noticed it in time? Yes. Is it worth going back and taking out after it's been released? No.

I watched BTTF with the Zemeckis/Gale Q&A session the other night. Throughout the entire session, Zemeckis made constant comments of things he hadn't been satisfied with, including visible wires on Doc when he was at the top of the clock tower, and how easy it would have been able to make with digital technology. Towards the end, the moderator asked them if there would be any changes to the movies for the DVD release, such as removing the wires he mentioned earlier. For a couple of seconds, there was dead silence, then both of the Bobs simultaneously replied, "No..." as if the thought had never occurred to them, and it was a completely insane thing to even suggest. Zemeckis continued to say that he didn't get this trend of going back into the movie and adding scenes back in and recutting it. He said that a movie represents that moment in time, and that you do your best, but then you're finished with it.

I love that man.
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#251045
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251045/action/topic#251045
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I guess that's where you and I differ in our opinions of film. I find film to be representative of a moment in time. It represents what the cast and crew were able to bring together to that movie at that time. Going back 20 years later and changing that is like going into your diary 20 years later with a bottle of White-Out and a shiny new pen.
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#250871
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Favorite Star Wars Movie
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250871/action/topic#250871
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I just don't see what's so cool about it. As far as I can see, it has no positive impact on the movie. It's redundant. It ruins the reveal of Jabba. It ruins the reveal of the Falcon! It has Boba Fett mugging the camera for no reason. The pace of the movie comes to an abrupt screeching halt. It's even evident in the music, which just stops, reuses a cue from ROTJ, and then continues from where it left off. It's just jarring. And that's not even getting into how bad both the '97 and '04 versions of Jabba look. And before you accuse me of hating CG in favor of the puppet, I actually liked the way he looked in TPM. They claim that the '04 Jabba is based off of that one, but I don't see the resemblence. Distant cousins, maybe...
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#250800
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250800/action/topic#250800
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Star Wars is a fantastic story and is made up of some wonderful movies, but it's not a religion. There was a period of time after ROTJ where Star Wars faded. Even with the mighty power of the classic trilogy on it's own, there were almost 10 years where nothing new aside from the occasional EU book was produced. The action figure line had all but vanished.


Actually, the action figure line was revived in 1995, over a year before the Special Editions were released, and they did quite well. There was a huge re-kindling of Star Wars at the end of that year, and that was all because the original movies were being released again. Oh, yeah, and we were told it would be the last time they would be...