Thanks for reviving my old thread! I enjoy seeing it again. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I enjoy Shadows of the Empire, which you hate. I consider the Jabba section the absolutely worst part of the OT (as my initial post exhaustively explains). Nothing we can do except continue on, I guess, although I would love to hear your opinions on why you think it's wonderful.
If that were the case for the Wii, though, that would be a bit... inconvenient. Obviously downloading high-res textures would only apply to the Wii console it was downloaded to. It wouldn't affect the game itself. And the flash memory is limited enough that I wouldn't want to download new textures for most games. Hell, I've played Mario Galaxy on an HDTV, and it looked pretty good to me if I recall correctly. Eh, whatever.
skyjedi2005 said:Sam Raimi for Spider man 3.
But doesn't his outstanding work on the previous two movies counteract one bad movie in a franchise?
That said, I actually like Spider-Man 3, and I don't really understand why everyone rags on it so much. Is it without flaws? No, it has many, but I still find it extremely enjoyable and hardly worthy of the hate it receives.
It seems a bit unlikely to me because isn't IE the most widely-used browser? However, maybe it's not blocked, but is it possible that the two programs simply aren't compatible, and that's why he can't use IE with it?
AxiaEuxine said:If we are talking about Star Wars then yes, I love the original editions. I also love the special editions and some fan edits, In fact I just got done watching SW revisted. what a mastepiece. It only makes me sad that he hates the prequels .
That's obviously your perogative to like what you want. I just found it strange that every movie on your list was an re-edit of some sort, be it official or fan. But anyway, here's my list:
The Empire Strikes Back-It's been my favorite since I was nine.
Star Wars-I appreciate it more every time I watch it, and now it's practically tied with ESB
Return of the Jedi-It always felt like Star Wars built up to something, and that something was ESB, and then it just sort of sputtered to the finish line with Return of the Jedi. It has some great moments, but it never captured me the way the first two did.
Revenge of the Sith-It had some moments that really captured me and even had me on the edge of my seat the first time I watched it. It definitely had some of the best moments of the prequel trilogy.
The Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones-This one is hard. In 2002, I would easily say that AOTC is better than TPM. I felt that Clones felt more like Star Wars. Anakin was wielding his blue lightsaber. Obi-Wan had a beard and was in the mentor role. R2 and 3PO did things. However, R2 and 3PO were extremely annoying. The CG sets stand out much more now than I originally remember. TPM just feels like a real movie, the lightsaber fight was better, and, while it had some equally annoying parts, it felt like a good old-fashioned adventure movie. So it's hard for me to say which is better.
Revenge of the Sith-Wha???! How is this movie on my list twice?! Well, I've stated many a time that ROTS was both my favorite and least favorite of the prequels. It had some of the best moments, but it also had some of the worst moments. For me the other two prequels were pretty middle of the road. Nothing was really great, but nothing really stuck out as horrible. Sith had some moments I really loved, but it had some moments that I hated more than anything else in Star Wars. Like I posted here back in June 2005, any movie that makes me laugh at the deaths of children has something wrong going on. I'm sorry, but every time I heard them sadly refer to "younglings," my girlfriend and I started laughing hysterically. We even got dirty looks from the parents with young children, but I just can't take that word seriously. "Even the younglings," Obi-Wan moaned. I was rolling.
I just realized that it's funny that people are criticizing Abrams because he's only worked in TV. I don't think that necessarily proves anything. But as far as Star Trek goes, everybody is praising Nick Meyer (and rightfully so), but doesn't the name Harve Bennett ring a bell? If not, let me remind you. He was the producer for the second through fourth Star Trek films. After the lukewarm reception of the first film, they brought him in to take care of things. And he was from television. And he brought the shooting schedule of television and the mentaility of making television to Wrath of Khan. And look how that one turned out. Let's not forget that Star Trek is, first and foremost, television. I'm not saying that Abrams is going to turn out that way too. I don't know. I haven't seen enough of his work. I'm just saying that just because he's from television doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Hell, it might be a good thing.
I really don't want to sound critical, but, damn! Do you like the original versions of anything?!
I don't know about your anecdotes (which (damn!) sound pretty harsh), but there are several levels of official canon created and maintained by LucasFilm. Some say George only considers the highest level (G-Canon, or the movies, dramas, and novels) canon. Here is the list:
G-Canon-see above
T-Canon-Clone Wars series
C-Canon-currently accepted EU books
S-Canon-non-canon works with canon elements to them (ie. Star Wars Galaxies)
N-Canon-non-canon: things that either were never canon or booted from canon later on (like the OOT... grr)
The levels exist because of the strong possibility of contradictions. If there ever is, the higher-level canon takes priority.
I find it interesting the two conflicting points about Nintendo here. Jay has been criticizing the power of the Wii. And that's not untrue. It's a weak system compared to its contemporaries. But now the more recent argument about the N64 vs. the PSX, I think we all agree that PSX "won the war." And while N64 had certain limitations that PSX didn't, I'm going to express my opinion that it was the more powerful system.
So we have a Nintendo system that was technologically superior that didn't win the war against a technically inferior but developmentally superior system. Ten years later, we have an extremely similar but reversed situation. Nintendo now has the technologically inferior but unique console that is outselling its technologically superior but less-innovative competitors.
Obviously, it's not a direct parallel, otherwise we'd be seeing more games for the Wii--maybe they are pumping out as many as they did for PSX, but my eyes just never pay attention to the shovelware. But like lj said, if it was just the gimmicks bringing people in, Wii sales would have cooled off over the past two years (not three, lj). I think reception and gamer opinion to it has cooled, but, like others have said, it's not because the system is inherently gimicky. It's proven that it can handle all sorts of genres capably. It's just not being utilized in the way it should. I just wonder very strongly what Nintendo is going to produce for the next generation.
Yeah, except that Who Framed Roger Rabbit is a much better movie.
Yeah. To me the reason I can tolerate Jar-Jar more easily than Grievous is because Jar-Jar is supposed to be comedically stupid, therefore I can see past his antics. But Grievous is supposed to be a villain, and not some hapless henchman like the Nemoidians, but, like you say, a badass. He's supposed to control the droid army and is talked about like some fearsome monster.
...But he's not!
Just when I thought he might finally be cool when he starts fighting Obi-Wan, he becomes more idiotic still. His whole four lightsaber plan, while cool in concept, was just useless. Then he transforms into quadraped mode, which is ridiculous, and spends the rest of his time driving away inside of a giant tire... that also becomes a quadraped. What is with Grievous and four-leggedness anyway?
And then, mercifully, he dies. And his death scene is actually not that bad. Well, at least he has that one saving grace.
Of course, I failed to mention the circumstances that led Yoda to be in bed with Padme...
Now get to writing, lemon fan fic writers! You know you can't resist it now that I've put it out there!
A joke maybe, but I still believe the unaltered prequels should be released.
Man, he just can't do anything right, can he?
I actually caught the tail-end of that episode last night, and that's been my first ever exposure to The Clone Wars. Other than the "droidekas" so poorly missing Jar-Jar (for a second, I really thought he might bite it... and the image I pictured made me laugh), it wasn't so bad. But I only saw about three minutes, so I don't know...
But as for what you said, SilverWook, it seems we're supposed to believe that the Jedi Council has the same intelligence as Jar-Jar Binks.
Yoda: Senator Amidala. Pants of Young Skywalker you have in your bed. Understand the connotations, I do not!
Oh, and I was going to say underwear at first, but my own signature reminded me that that's just not possible in Star Wars.
Well, then, I hope my rant didn't offend you. But I'm very interested to know what it is that makes you like him. Granted, the only Star Wars media I've seen him in is ROTS. I thought I heard he was better portrayed in the old Clone Wars series. I really would like to hear someone like you explain to me why you like this character because... I can't find anything to like about him (and, like I said, I even liked Jar-Jar, so I'm not too hard to please), and I would really like to understand your point of view on this one.
Vaderisnothayden said:That's not the Disney I know. But I'm not saying I know Disney well. The point about Greivous is he's totally in the style of an animated villain. You can see the same pattern at work in Sebulba, but Greivous just takes it so far, and we're supposed to take him seriously.
Yeah, I'm tempted to link you to Nostalgia Critic's Top 11 Disney Villains video for a primer. They have some pretty creepy baddies. And, yes, Grievous just... sucks. I can't find words to describe how much I hate that character. He annoyed me from the first second he got on the screen, and when Obi-Wan finally killed him, it felt like a boulder had been lifted from the plot. Hell, that's probably the reason he was in there in the first place. The rest of ROTS felt brilliant in comparison after Grievous left it. So unncessary, so annoying, and I'm relatively slow to criticize a movie. I actually don't mind Jar-Jar Binks in the least. But General Grievous was... beyond horrible. His function sucked. His voice was grating. His personality was annoying. He lived way too long and accomplished way too little. I know I'm ranting, but I usually don't, and I just managed to remind myself how I felt when I first saw the movie. He's my absolute least favorite character. Not in Star Wars, but in all fiction everywhere.
JohnBoy's post makes me wonder something else. Many things, actually. If they are supposed to live at the Jedi Temple but aren't monitored (even a check-in/check-out system), when are they required to be at the temple? Do they have to be there at all? Is every indivdual Jedi summoned when each individual Jedi has something particular to do? How often does the council meet? Who cleans the temple? Do Jedi have single rooms or do they bunk with other Jedi? Are they required to check in every so often? And if so, with whom? How will they know if someone just never comes back? That's not out of the realm of possibility: after all, Dooku and Sifo-Dias managed to elude their grasp.
Obviously, I'm looking to PT-era EU readers to come to my aid here. ^_^
I'm all with you on most of that, but you gotta stop referring to Disney like they haven't done anything more serious than your regular Nick Jr. cartoon. They pull out some pretty dark shit once in a while, especially back in the old days.
"This will be your last chance to own the original versions..." etc, etc, is what they said on the advertisements. So, yes, they were referring to the original versions of the original trilogy. Being as how I was indoctrinated into the series at right about this time, and because I was nine, I had no idea about the special editions existing when these came out. I don't know if it was common knowledge at the time. It was certainly in the works, and that's definitely what they were referring to. But back then, when I didn't know about it, and I didn't know that magnetic tape wore out, I assumed they meant it would be the last time the films would be released. It wasn't until the SE was announced for home video (when they first came out, I also assumed they were for the theatres only), that's when I figured out that the "One Last Time..." tagline was referring to the SE. But once again, since I didn't know that VHS would wear out, and that anything would ever replace it (being 11), it still didn't bother me. It only bothered me in 2000 when I saw the repackage that removed the term "Special Edition," and realized it really was replacing the originals. Not long after that, when I was 14 or 15, I found out about the fallibility of tape. Sad times indeed.
Yeah, I generally hate first person shooters, but even I have to admit that they'd be a perfect genre for Wii, and I am baffled that more of them haven't been released on the console. Playing Twilight Princess proved to me that aiming with the cursor is far easier and more satisfying than aiming with an analog stick.
Well, I suppose they could always go the Ben Kenobi retconning route and re-record some dialogue with Carrie Fisher where she says that she was technically lying about her mother, but what she said was true from the point of view that she wanted to feel superior to Luke by being a more well-informed orphan.
Nooooo! Aw, I'm so sad to hear this!
RIP
Well, I'm of a mind that it should have not been f'ed up in the first place. But since it's already happened, there's nothing that can (or should) be done about it. I'll grumble in the background because that whole sequence sucked, but it's out there.
I just cringe and angrily cross my arms (but not while I'm typing) at the thought of changing what's one of the few wonderful moments of Return of the Jedi just because ROTS screwed up that plot point so horribly. I would say that even Lucas realized this because he didn't remove the line in his 2004 prequel injection versions, but he probably just forgot about it.
Yeah, you probably should wait until then. It's just as hard as its predecessors, and that's not even factoring in the new challenge section.
That said, I managed to finish it in 2 days because I'm just hardcore like that. ^_~
EDIT: Oh, and SMB2(J) was the first VC game I got too.
I have to agree with that. While the first two iterations of the PlayStation (especially the first) broke down constantly, I haven't heard anything bad about PS3s while 360s you seem to hear breaking down all the time. However, Nintendo has always had consistently reliable products, and I can still play all my old systems to this day, even though my NES will be 20 years old next year.
While I haven't been keeping up with the libraries of the other consoles, nothing I have heard about has grabbed me. I've had Final Fantasy XII for two years now, and I have yet to play it, and XIII has yet to interest me in the least. I've been a huge FF fanboy for years, but now I just don't care anymore about the new directions, especially since all the great names have moved on. I also didn't really care much about playing GTA4. I got 2, 3, and Vice City, but after that, I just got tired of that too. I didn't even bother with San Andreas, so the fact that 4 didn't come to Wii didn't really bother me all that much. I never liked Halo, as I don't like first-person shooters that much to begin with (Perfect Dark was one of the few I didn't mind). I'm a bit sad that Wii will be getting a different version of the Ghostbusters game than the other consoles, and that's probably the only regret that I have.
Meanwhile, Wii hasn't put out that many games recently that I want. After two years, my library is still pretty small. But all the games I have, I love: Twilight Princess, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, and Mario Kart Wii. Sigh, yes, all of them are Mario and Zelda titles, and, like I said, it's not very much, but it's more than 360 or PS3 has done to interest me. And I also have SMB2 (J), Sonic 2, Zelda II, and Mega Man 9 for the Virtual Console, so I can't complain about that either. While my Wii does spend some time (quite a bit of time on occasion) collecting dust, it never really bothers me. In fact, I jump back to my old consoles so frequently that I probably wouldn't have noticed anything out of the ordinary if you guys hadn't pointed it out.