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SilverWook said:

Haarspalter said:

joefavs said:

New clip!

http://youtu.be/DgaC0ytqdv4

“The Asteroid Field” theme gave me the biggest, dumbest grin.

The pacing and energy in that scene feels off. Besides the Asteroid Field theme nothing gave me any excitement. Am i dead or is this more about “I have a bad feeling about this movie”?

Has a copy of this book turned up in your home recently?

If so, you’re mostly dead. 😛

Not sure what’s Haarspalter’s view about the inclusion of the asteroif field theme from Empire, but I don’t think it’s an unfair criticism to say that for some fans it may feel like a cheap emotional trick. I don’t see the point of using the theme in that scene from Solo.

joefavs said:

New clip!

http://youtu.be/DgaC0ytqdv4

“The Asteroid Field” theme gave me the biggest, dumbest grin.

The joke at the beginning of the video doesn’t land that well, but otherwise it’s not a bad scene.

TV’s Frink said:

Actor ages aside, there’s no rule that says a movie has to adhere to anything EU-related, and I certainly don’t care.

Of course. But I also think Han and Lando look too old in Solo.

According to the oEU and the nuEU, Lando is only 1-2 years older than Han. Han is 29 in Star Wars while Lando is 30 (nuEU) or 31 (oEU) during the Battle of Yavin. Glover is now 34, Williams was 43 in 1980, Ehrenreich is now 28 and Ford was 35 in 1977.

So it’s a little weird.

joefavs said:

In before “actually, the real Star Wars day is May 25”

Actually, the real Star Wars day is May 25.

ispano said:

@Dek Rollins
Just wanted to say thank you very much for making this regrade available. Since I already have my own copy of the remaster I was able to make use of your .cube file to watch this using mpv (mpv.io) without having to re-encode my remux. Here’s the cmdline if anyone does not have access to the regrade encode but has a remaster version available to them:

mpv.exe --vf=lut3d=file=“luts/terminator.cube”:interp=tetrahedral “C:\Path\To\Terminator.mkv”

I really do feel like you captured the luster of the original film w/ your regrade.

I didn’t know you could use LUT files with mpv. How could I have lived for so long without using this feature?

Ah, yeah, sorry, I forgot to remove the latter, which I haven’t seen. Although I’m quite skeptical about how much can fan editors fix bad Star Wars movies. I said this because, even with radical edits like Blackened Mantle, there’s still too many technical limitations and unavailability of resources. But who knows, maybe darthrush’s RotJ is great.

obikal said:

GZK8000 said:

Also, trying to find a coherent explanation of the nature of the Force across the whole Star Wars franchise or the trilogies is pointless, since in Star Wars the Force is treated as a psychological activity (believing in yourself) while in Empire the Force is more comic-like. You may argue SW Vader did not really Force-choke Admiral Motti, he merely suggested to Motti the idea of being telephatically choked, and that SW Obi-Wan didn’t really use mind-control, but there’s no way you can say TESB Luke convinced a few stones to ignore physics. The prequels weren’t the first Star Wars movies to make massive retcons and changes.

From the beginning, the Force has been a religion: a belief system, a spiritual understanding of how the universe works - not a psychological activity. It was expounded upon in ESB, but did not contradict itself.

The Force is not a religion, it is a power, a mystical energy binding the universe, whatever. The Jedi Order, on the other hand, is a religion built on the Force. In Star Wars, Lucas was rather vague about the Force: did Obi-Wan really speak to Luke from the afterlife, or did Luke imagine it? Did Luke really use the Force to block a few blasts with his dead father’s lightsaber, or he merely believed in himself? Star Wars was not really a sci-fi movie in the way Empire was (of course, the OT is not hard sci-fi, but you know what I mean). It is in Empire when you first see telekinesis, Force conversations between two living characters and Force Jumps.

Collipso said:

disagree. theatrical rotj is good. darthrush’s rotj is great.

Nah.

obikal said:

The problem with many of these explanations of the Force in the ST, is that they have to ignore the understanding that Yoda gave us in ESB. If we chalk up ESB Yoda to being wrong along with everything else in the PT as explained by TLJ, then it could make sense… but that’s something I don’t want to do. 😃
Because even if we do, who’s to say that in 3 movies from now we won’t get another “Well, actually… Luke and Yoda were wrong in TLJ about the Force and the Jedi and THIS is really how it is…”

We’ll never have a firm foundation if we don’t use the OT - and the ST went too far away from that foundation to be logically consistent, therefore it feels like expensive fanfic to me. 😕

My $.02

I don’t think TLJ says OT Obi-Wan and OT Yoda were wrong. What TLJ says is that TLJ Luke believes the Jedi were all wrong, including RotJ Luke. But Yoda clearly points out Luke didn’t get Yoda’s lessons about failure. These lessons are not explicitely mentioned in any OT movie, but I do think Yoda is refering to Luke’s failure at the climax of TESB: Luke was mistaken, and learned from its errors, avoided the Dark Side at a very vulnerable moment of his training, and became a Jedi. The third act of TLJ is saying both Kylo and Luke were wrong: you can’t really let the past die, and there isn’t even a need for that.

Also, trying to find a coherent explanation of the nature of the Force across the whole Star Wars franchise or the trilogies is pointless, since in Star Wars the Force is treated as a psychological activity (believing in yourself) while in Empire the Force is more comic-like. You may argue SW Vader did not really Force-choke Admiral Motti, he merely suggested to Motti the idea of being telephatically choked, and that SW Obi-Wan didn’t really use mind-control, but there’s no way you can say TESB Luke convinced a few stones to ignore physics. The prequels weren’t the first Star Wars movies to make massive retcons and changes.

TV’s Frink said:

GZK8000 said:

That game was surprisingly enjoyable for being a prequel game.

I’m not sure why that’s relevant. You can make a good game from a terrible movie, and vice versa.

It’s not 100% relevant. I was making a relatively pointless negative comment about the prequels. Although, in my case, I have a much, much, much harder time enjoying a game set in the prequel era than in the OT era. I have never understood the appeal of the “Republic at War” mod for Empire at War, because I just don’t like the Republic and the CIS, but I am more inclined to enjoy a lot of OT-related stuff just because it features the Empire and the Rebellion. So the idea of a game based on the endless podracing scenes from TPM that is fun is surprising to me.

That game was surprisingly enjoyable for being a prequel game.

ToscheStation said:
It has to do with the perception that Lucas had taken the storyline - which according to the stated theory was supposed to have gone on for four more films/episodes following TESB - and “compressed” it into a single film, ROTJ. In light of that perception, I think it’s relevant to bring up how much is revealed in the second film (TESB) and wonder how this really coheres with a notional six-part continuous story (SW + TESB + four more films), rather than a trilogy of trilogies with twenty some years between each trilogy.

Unless I’m wrong, that theory is false. Are you speaking of what Gary Kurtz said some years ago? He was confused and was talking of several ideas for the Star Wars franchise at the same time; the planned storyline Kurtz mentioned was never materialized or conceived in any way. As far as I know, Lucas first conceived Star Wars as a standalone movie, then as The Adventures of Luke Skywalker (with film or book sequels of SW) or as a franchise where every director could have complete freedom to do whatever movie they wanted, then (before February to April 1978) as The Adventures of Luke Skywalker with TESB being Episode or Chapter II and with unlimited sequels, then as a trilogy of trilogies with SW and TESB being Episodes IV and V, then as two trilogies (the Star Wars Trilogy and an unmade prequel trilogy), then as a hexalogy Saga. Lucas, Kurtz or anyone else never thought of a hexalogy with SW and TESB being the first two movies. The closest idea comes from the period between May 1977 and February 1978, where the Star Wars franchise was The Adventures of Luke Skywalker but there was no planned chronology or storyline at all, no fixed number of sequels.

To be honest, abandoning the idea of “everyone can be a Jedi, you just need to believe in the Force”, with “believing in the Force” being a metaphor for “believing in yourself”, is something that happened in The Empire Strikes Back (and one of the reasons why I can’t consider it as good as Star Wars). So you may say that even the OT doesn’t follow Lucas’ earliest ideas (and the OT, while being better than the PT, is also more patchy IMO).

I also thought that The Last Jedi would return to that idea (what with dismantling the Jedi Order, Kylo talking about leaving the past behind, Luke talking about Darth Sidious (I never want to hear that name in any movie), and Rey choosing her own path, and, of course, the title of the movie), but the ending goes back to the state of the Star Wars galaxy at the beginning of Star Wars, which I still don’t get why (other than being the easy, lazy path for Lucasfilm, because everyone loves lightsabers). TLJ left me confused in a way no other Star Wars movie have done before.

Possessed said:

Yeah but I think that bit was actually filmed for AOTC so I don’t think ROTS was ever planned to be made either.

Nope, Lucas filmed the scene twice: first when producing AotC, so he wouldn’t need to travel again a few years later, then during production of RotS.

Collipso said:

ROTS does end in a sunset. I guess it means the story is clearly over.

Of course. Then there’s Star Wars, which starts a different, completely unrelated story. Anyone telling you there’s a connection between these two movies is lying.

TV’s Frink said:

“My new powers.”

And then he flies them both off into the sunset.

Which is unfortunate because it then means A New Hope can never be made.

Are you implying the prequel trilogy is related at all with the original trilogy?

Reminds me of a scene of the mediocre Corellian Trilogy.

ChainsawAsh said:
Ford has always been a “this is just a job” kind of actor anyway, with no particular attachment or love for any of his characters, except maybe Indy. But even so, there’s got to be some scripts or directors or working environments that bring more of a spark out of him than others.

I think he really cared about Han Solo in SW and TESB. It’s only in RotJ when he stopped caring.

Although it’s funny Windu said they will do everything they can and then they don’t. But that’s not paja’s point.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Well, Liam Neeson could be considered a “resource” of the Jedi Council.

No, I’m not talking about the supposed arrogance of the Jedi Council (I still don’t get this whole point, honestly), I’m merely saying maybe at first Windu was just saying that everyone together (he, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Creepy Puppet Yoda, CGI Yoda, unnamed-in-the-movies-but-has-his-own-extralong-Wookieepedia-article Jedi Council Member #10) would solve the mystery, and later he and the rest of the Council were bored and severely procrastinating and Windu said that maybe Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon should go and solve it instead of involving every Jedi or the Council because otherwise there would be no climax involving death and laser swords.

snooker said:
The line immediately before it:

Again, I’m not sure if by “we” Windu is talking about the Jedi Order or the Jedi Council.

paja said:

I like to complain about the prequels, but I don’t remember the dialogue and context in the first pic. Was Windu saying the Council would find the identity of Maul, or was he using the plural form in a broad sense to include Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan?

snooker said:
Padme’s just boring. I don’t care about negotiating support in the senate. I don’t care about “fixing up the baby’s room on Naboo”. Nothing that character does ever matters, especially in ROTS. She just sits and talks and dies. The only reason George had her in the movies is because Luke and Leia had to have a mommy.

In his book, Kaminski argues about this: basically, according to Lucas himself, he never had a story for Leia and Luke’s mother, so Padme was meant to be an action woman character in the first two movies and was reduced to her reproductive capabilities in RotS. Leia has never been better (in the movies, I don’t know all about the oEU), but she always had some strong personality that is missing in Padme and she was in a trilogy that gave more emphasis to the characters and their interactions between each other than to a grand story about something something.

MalàStrana said:

paja said:

Anakin is a silent violent brute which is nothing like Vader

Vader is such a nice guy in the OT.

R1 Vader and Anakin are not like OT Vader. OT Vader is about Batman Gambits and outsmarting the good peopl. R1 Vader is “let’s kill as many Rebels as I can in this unnecesary second ending”. Anakin is not even Vader-like smart, he is clueless the whole time, trusts the guy who first told him he could save Padme and later said he doesn’t know how to save her, is too susceptible compared with Vader, is too prone to burst of anger, and he merely felt to the Dark Side because he wanted to save his lover, not because he was searching for power and control over the rest.

OT Vader was not a “silent violent brute” even if he wasn’t a nice guy and he was silent most of the time.

Had Anakin been a different person, you may have liked him as a villain, but the prequels neve gave a convincing explanation as to what made Anakin the same Vader we saw in the OT. Two decades between the trilogies, my ass. That’s how you explain intertrilogy Luke forgetting his own actions in RotJ?