GZK8000

TV’s Frink said:

GZK8000 said:

I did not like K-2SO, since I saw him as the robotic equivalent of a disabled person

WTF

I thought you didn’t want to read my comments anymore, but okay, here’s my explanation.

Generally speaking, the comedy about K-2SO is about:
a) K-2SO doing something “bizarre” and “superhuman” (like holding a grenade until the last second)
b) K-2SO delivering “funny” lines (“That won’t be necessary”)
c) K-2SO being unable to understand the context in question (when the characters don’t want to speak, for example); sometimes, it may be that K-2SO repeats the same line a few more times than “needed”, or he says something inappropiate, whatever.

Now, it’s one thing to make an occasional joke about a character missing a point, doing something inappropiate, etc. Sometimes we do some mistakes that we later found embarrassing (Threepio interrumpting Leia and Han kissing), sometimes we say lines that are funnier than we thought, fine. However, with K-2SO, most, if not all his comedy, is about this. It’s about a character not understanding the expectations that the others have in their mind, a character been always criticised for saying inapropiate stuff even although he seems to be completely unable to comply with these expectations, all the time. So it’s not that K-2SO is a rude, inmature robot, rather, it seems K-2SO can’t really act according to what the others expect all the time, and rather than the other characters understanding this limitation he has, they react negatively.

Since K-2SO is a robot, in this case, it seems the robot lacks the appropiate programming. But my point is, had K-2SO been a human character, the comedy would have been essentially the same. Who doesn’t laugh at Homer Simpson’s stupidity? Therefore, I found K-2SO related comedy ableist, and I hated that.

darthrush said:

But Baze? Seriously? All I know about him is he is the cool guy with the big gun…literally that is all we are given.

Han wasn’t a fantastic, complex character in Star Wars, and yet he worked there. Of course, the context is different (SW is a pastiche and a well made “B-movie”, while R1 is darker and more serious), but sometimes all you need is a cool guy with a big gun, and in that way Baze works despite his very little screentime. I also think his few lines were really enjoyable and funny. He could have been given more scenes and more importance in the movie, but his personality and actions are good.

dahmage said:

and i fail to see how they are any less relevant than K-2SO, Saw, or Bohdi.

Bodhi at least is the one who defected, tried to communicate with Saw Guerrera, and helped the group to infiltrate Scarif. Not a lot, true, and after the Jedha scenes his relevance is pretty small, but I do understand his appearance in the movie. I liked him, but more could have been done with him.

I did not like K-2SO, since I saw him as the robotic equivalent of a disabled person, as most of the comedy surrounding him is about his inability to understand the context of the moment (example: when Cassian tells him to keep fixing the stolen ship) and making inapropiate comments. There are some shades of this in OT Threepio too, but Threepio is more of a coward and a fish-out-of-water character, rather than a robot with complete lack of emotion-related programming, which seems to be the case with K-2SO. Case in point, if you replace K-2SO with a human, would you laugh at the jokes?

Saw… a wasted potential, personally. He may have been a pretty decent villain or antihero. But then you see that his brain erasing monster can fail to wipe a person’s memory, and he diminishes as a character. Still, there was some potential there.

and it sure seemed like you singled them out because you don’t like the idea of possibly-homosexual characters (this is open to interpretation, i don’t think anything official has stated this by the way).

Sorry but you completely misunderstood my previous comments. What I criticise is that they did not make their homosexual relation more explicit, and that they went to the tired idea of making them a tragic couple where one of them dies and the other is unable to cope with the loss of his lover. I did not criticise that they’re gay. Nor I have a problem with Lando being pansexual.

if you don’t like movies with a team of characters like this, then fine, nobody can convince you to like something.

Nor I am trying to convince others. This isn’t an important conversation, it’s just a bunch of people expressing their opinions.

AllAboutThatSpace said:

Is there anything you do like?

I like Bloodline from the nuEU a lot. I like some Star Wars games.

I do understand what you were trying to say, but I fail to understand how my attitude is different from others, specially since I don’t tend to attack others for their tastes (I have made the occasional joke about the PT, sure, but Frink is much worse than me at this) or have a passive-agressive attitude. My only complain here is that there was no reason for Frink to write a comment that only serves to a) put him as a better person than me, and b) open hostilities. If he (or you, or others) don’t find my contributions interesting, that’s okay. Not everything every user here writes is interesting to me. But unless he or others have some serious problems with my attitude (or unless I do some really shitty action), I don’t see any reasons for Frink to write that comment. That is all.

dahmage said:

you say not needed for the plot, then state how they save the heroes. and then you seem to forget how they make the final transmission possible.

IIRC the only time they’re relevant to the plot after saving the heroes is when they made the final transmission possible. So in a Chirrut and Baze-less version of Rogue One, either that plot element would have been removed, or another character would have made the transmission possible.

Again, I repeat: I have no problems with the characters themselves, my problem is how underused and “irrelevant” they are. If Rogue One were lighthearted like Star Wars, it wouldn’t be a problem for me.

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

and i don’t think i will respect the rest of your post. Chirrut and Baze were wonderful characters.

Don’t be The Arrogant.

Dude, I have been reading your (and others’) posts long before I created this account, and this is your typical attitude all the time.

I didn’t attack you, or said your opinions were wrong, I just have a different view, and expressed that, and you came here to said in public that you don’t have the need to read my comments anymore. OK, you don’t find my contributions interesting, fine, no one needs to read me, but to say that in public, with the only purpose to attack me, that’s rather inmature.

I have no problems replying and accepting your different views, not sure why you have the urge to make it explicit you don’t want to do the same.

dahmage said:

Krennic works well as the guy who is losing power. it makes him desperate. I don’t get your complaint that him getting weaker is a problem.

For me is a problem because it degrades both the Empire and the plot of the movie. If Krennic were a local leader, I wouldn’t have a problem with him losing power. But I have a harder problem with the guy who is responsible for the Death Star project being so weak after his powerful flashback scene that he needs to be told by Tarkin that the defector pilot comes from Galen Erso’s facility.

OK, not everyone in the Empire is as intelligent and capable as Vader or Tarkin, I get that. But Krennic could have had some iniciative of his own. That he finds out his base is being attacked, okay, that’s fine. That Vader needs to tell him he needs to re-check everything about Galen Erso, ugh not really.

dahmage said:

and i don’t think i will respect the rest of your post. Chirrut and Baze were wonderful characters.

Lol “respect” is a rather strong word but ok. My point isn’t that Chirrut and Baze weren’t wonderful characters, I never said or implied that. All I said is that they are not needed for the plot. They are not connected to the Rebellion, Jyn, Galen, Saw or any of the characters and factions. They appear in Jedha City, they save the heroes, then they’re captured with the heroes, and then they follow the heroes because they have nowhere to go. They’re mostly in the background, although they’re part of key scenes of the movie.

They may be wonderful character (and, in fact, I prefer them to Jyn or Cassian), but since they aren’t further developed (unlike Han in Star Wars) they felt unneccesary. Had they been more prominent after Jedha City, they could have worked.

Lol, I was being polite and educated all this time. I never said my opinions were better, far from it. So who’s the arrogant here?

TV’s Frink said:

That’s funny because I had the exact opposite reaction. In theaters I couldn’t remember anyone’s name and didn’t find anything compelling about anyone other than Chirrut, Baze, and sort of Krennic. Since then I’ve grown much more attached to the other characters.

The problem with Krennic is that he’s a weak villain and gets weaker and weaker over the movie, while Chirrut and Baze had no reasons to be in the movie, since they’re not even connected to the plot at all (they’re also the cliché-ridden tragic homosexual couple). One of the problems the Disney movies have (IMO) is too many characters at the same time, which makes things more confusing and/or bloated. Remove Chirrut and Baze and Rogue One gets better.

So I think I prefer The Last Jedi over The Force Awakens now because, while TLJ has the awful Canto Bight shit, at least it tried to do something new (even if it sucked and it’s too serious), and because watching TFA is like watching a movie in 2x speed (and a poor, boring, semi-lifeless one with terrible comedy). They’re still poor movies, but, whatever.

Rogue One also sucks.

SilverWook said:

GZK8000 said:

Fantastic Films magazine? They did a lot of wild speculating back in the day between sequels. I need to find those and see if anything was on the money. Not sure they were still in business by the time Jedi was out.

According to r/StarWars (I found it there), yup, from Fantastic Films 20:

And this seems to be Boba Fett’s first public appearance:

TV’s Frink said:

[…]

From r/StarWars:
“I know most people love the jedi, sith, bounty hunters etc. I do to, but a lot of my favourite parts of Star Wars are the political scenes. I absolutely love all the scenes on Coruscant and in the Senate. Including Padme’s deleted scenes in ROTS. Some of my favourite Clone Wars arcs are the ones where they talk politics the entire time. It’s just amazing to me that in this fake universe, they’ve managed to create like 40 years worth of fake politics as well. And on top of that, it’s believable. There’s a reason for every action in Star Wars, and everyone has different motives.”

I mean, it’s one thing to like the prequels and to enjoy the “politics” (there isn’t a lot of politics in the prequels, but, whatever), but I don’t understand what is so amazing about it. It’s not like it’s particulary well developed, or very detailed and complex.

So what happened with the unfaded Empire print? You purchased it, but, do you still need more donations?

Not to mention that the EU is usually a bunch of crappy ideas and hack ideas and the mutant children from these marriages.

TV’s Frink said:

I’m not sure why you’d bring up AotC since we’re talking about TPM. Most of us agree he’s super creepy in AotC.

Oh, because in a previous comment I was making a generalization in which I was mentally including AotC. Sorry, I thought we were speaking of AotC too.

SilverWook said:

Catcalls? I don’t remember Ani getting creepy in TPM!

Maybe I remember wrong and there weren’t catcalls, but I do remember the “Are you an angel” line in TPM and the first scene of Anakin and Padme in AotC, which are really creepy.

MrPib said:

GZK8000 said:
Does this mean that Mike Verta’s color correction is revisionist, since in his restoration the blacks are really blacks, and that would not be representative of how Star Wars looked in theaters in 1977?

What I’ve seen of MV’s work sure looks revisionist to me. Check out https://vimeo.com/123533858

At 3:30 or so, he says that “it never looked like this in theaters”.

Ah, I remember at the time I liked a lot the grading used in that video and others, and I still like it even if it’s not representative of the theatrical experiences.

Here’s 4K77:

towne32 said:

I don’t believe anyone has seen Mike Verta’s final color grade.

Not the whole movie, but he released a few screenshots, and his Vimeo videos had a different color grading, even if it was WIP and weren’t in DCI-P3.

poita said:

So yes, if you were in a good cinema in 1977, and you were lucky enough to see a really good print, there still were many scenes where the inky blackness of space was a bit green, or a bit blue, or a bit grey, and the level of blackness varied considerably shot to shot.
Now, back in '77 you probably didn’t notice, because your mind was busy being blown by the visuals, but the optical shots really stand out, both in their heavier grain levels, and varying colour and sharpness. Not just the blacks either, the colours across the board vary a lot shot-to-shot on the original prints.

Does this mean that Mike Verta’s color correction is revisionist, since in his restoration the blacks are really blacks, and that would not be representative of how Star Wars looked in theaters in 1977?

poita said:

[…]
If you want to really see how the film looked back then, you will need to grab a print, and a cinema and fill it with friends and project the film.
Short of that, feeding 4K77 to a home projector is as close as you will get right now.

That’s cool. I wonder if there could be a way to replicate a 70s bulb with some filter or something, or a way to tweak a home projector to emulate the 70s look. CRT shaders already exist and are used in the emulation scene, and they are pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyUdFRrKQwg

moviefreakedmind said:

She was, wasn’t she? I haven’t seen it in a long time, but I recall several scenes that implied that.

I also haven’t seen The Phantom Menace from beginning to end in a long time, but IIRC, Padme never flirts with Anakin, it’s Anakin who had a crush on Padme and does the awkward comments and unwanted catcalls. Which would fit in the typical the-male-character-has-the-iniciative narrative you see in lots of movies, including the pre-Disney Star Wars franchise.

Mocata said:

I don’t remember Vader or Luke single-handledly winning a war.

Neither do I. So we’re in agreement? These comics look pretty embarrassing.

What I mean is, why would they have the need to give Luke a plausible reason for not single-handledly winning a war when no previous character (including RotJ Luke) did that before? It’s a problem that only exist in the o/nuEU.

ZkinandBonez said:
Does she technically “flirt” with Anakin in TPM? I wouldn’t even consider Anakin’s behaviour as being flirty, just really oddly expressed infatuation. Which makes sense for an eight years old kid.

“Are you an angel?”

SilverWook said:

What are prequel era battle droid tanks doing there?

The obligatory PT reference, I guess.

TV’s Frink said:

I glad they didn’t do the scream. Takes me out of any movie I hear it in now.

To be honest I’m okay too, I was joking about a “Star Wars tradition”. I don’t have a problem with the scream in the OT (even in TESB). In modern movies is where I find it distracting.

OutboundFlight said:

The Last Jedi is the worst Star Wars movie because it doesn’t have a Wilhelm scream.

Mathew Wood said:

In this movie, we decided to move from the Wilhelm scream. We’re letting the past die, as Kylo Ren says.

Mocata said:

[…] an arc that doesn’t end in a videogame massacre where a dozen AT-ATs are smashed (making it look like one man could have won the war - or the wars that came before this - single-handedly at any time)

I don’t remember Vader or Luke single-handledly winning a war.

Oh wait, you’re speaking of the comics?