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#1209643
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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First of all, expecting that people can correctly transmit what they’re trying to say without needing to repeat or clarify a few points is already ableist, not everyone can do it in one try, and not every mind works the same way.

And second, I prefer to be the kind of person that considers something ableist even if it isn’t, since the world in which we live is already ableist AF (so, at best, it may happen that we err on our analysis but our intentions are in the good place and we probably won’t hurt anyone), rather than the kind of person who makes jokes about some discussions about ableism in Star Wars (“lulz K2 is disabled”, which was a metaphor, not an actual description of the character) and then uses his disabled daughter to appoint himself as an authority on ableism.

As I already said on my previous comments, I knew the reaction would be hostile and negative. And that’s what has happened. So I’ll stop posting in this thread. Good day to all of you.

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#1209559
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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TV’s Frink said:

I don’t think the term SJW should be a pejorative.

I also share your view, but that’s how it is used.

I believe it’s not asking for much to ask that we show respect to other people who’ve committed no crime other than being different than us, purposefully or not. I have a high-functioning daughter for God’s sake.

I know that. And when you were banned after you reacted against another user who said the r-word (wasn’t DrDre?), I was with you. And that was at a time when I already had many problems with your general attitude. But I thought it was a dirty move to use your past actions to diminish your reasonable criticism, because your daughter and other disabled people are not guilty of being different, and they should not suffer violence for being different.

And I am completely baffled by this complaint.

Fine. This is not the first time I see people seeing some forms of ableism and denying others. It also happens with many others types of violence and oppresion. After all, some Asperger people think of themselves as better than other autistic people. So even in the disabled community there are some shitty views and attitudes (that does not mean Asperger people does not suffer ableism; they do).

I know I’ll never convince anymore, so I honestly prefer to not speak of this topic anymore. I knew people would say I’m exaggerating, that I’m just a SJW that wants to ruin everything, so… Whatever. I gain nothing from continuing this particular conversation.

If you don’t want to read my comments anymore, do whatever you want. I just say that, if your rude comment was because you didn’t find my comments enjoyable, there was no reason to be so rude. If it was because you misunderstood me, then no problem, sorry for the confusion.

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#1209514
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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moviefreakedmind said:

But stupid characters aren’t disabled either. That conflation is far more offensive than whatever happened in Rogue One.

I’m using “stupidity” as a synonym of disability here. I’m not speaking of individual actions that could be considered “stupid”. OT Threepio seems to do some “stupid” things, but with K-2SO almost everything he does is “stupid”.

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#1209497
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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moviefreakedmind said:

GZK8000 said:

Since K-2SO is a robot, in this case, it seems the robot lacks the appropiate programming. But my point is, had K-2SO been a human character, the comedy would have been essentially the same. Who doesn’t laugh at Homer Simpson’s stupidity? Therefore, I found K-2SO related comedy ableist, and I hated that.

I don’t really understand the conflation of stupidity and ableism here either. K2SO doing stupid things doesn’t make him disabled.

He can’t be disabled since he’s a robot, but my point is that the same comedy that makes K-2SO “funny” is the same comedy that makes disabled characters “funny”. It’s not a problem that is limited to Rogue One.

I never laugh at Homer Simpson’s stupidity, that’s my point.

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#1209489
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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TV’s Frink said:

I find your comments about Baze and Chirrut’s relationship, and your comparison of K2SO to a disabled person, to be in poor taste. At best.

Sorry you don’t like getting called out on it.

Frink, I know what you’re saying, but you’re completely misunderstanding me. I am not saying “I don’t like K-2SO because he’s like a disabled person” or “I don’t like Baze and Chirrut because they’re gay”. What I criticise is the comedy that is at the expense of K-2SO (which is similar to the comedy made at the expense of disabled people), and that the only way Disney developed the Baze-Chirrut relationship was to fall in the problematic “tragic couple” trope, since it’s almost always the only way gay couples are represented on media. Baze and Chirrut deserved way more than that.

If I expressed myself badly, I apologice, it was not my intention.

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#1209484
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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TV’s Frink said:

GZK8000 said:

I did not like K-2SO, since I saw him as the robotic equivalent of a disabled person

WTF

I thought you didn’t want to read my comments anymore, but okay, here’s my explanation.

Generally speaking, the comedy about K-2SO is about:
a) K-2SO doing something “bizarre” and “superhuman” (like holding a grenade until the last second)
b) K-2SO delivering “funny” lines (“That won’t be necessary”)
c) K-2SO being unable to understand the context in question (when the characters don’t want to speak, for example); sometimes, it may be that K-2SO repeats the same line a few more times than “needed”, or he says something inappropiate, whatever.

Now, it’s one thing to make an occasional joke about a character missing a point, doing something inappropiate, etc. Sometimes we do some mistakes that we later found embarrassing (Threepio interrumpting Leia and Han kissing), sometimes we say lines that are funnier than we thought, fine. However, with K-2SO, most, if not all his comedy, is about this. It’s about a character not understanding the expectations that the others have in their mind, a character been always criticised for saying inapropiate stuff even although he seems to be completely unable to comply with these expectations, all the time. So it’s not that K-2SO is a rude, inmature robot, rather, it seems K-2SO can’t really act according to what the others expect all the time, and rather than the other characters understanding this limitation he has, they react negatively.

Since K-2SO is a robot, in this case, it seems the robot lacks the appropiate programming. But my point is, had K-2SO been a human character, the comedy would have been essentially the same. Who doesn’t laugh at Homer Simpson’s stupidity? Therefore, I found K-2SO related comedy ableist, and I hated that.

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#1209469
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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darthrush said:

But Baze? Seriously? All I know about him is he is the cool guy with the big gun…literally that is all we are given.

Han wasn’t a fantastic, complex character in Star Wars, and yet he worked there. Of course, the context is different (SW is a pastiche and a well made “B-movie”, while R1 is darker and more serious), but sometimes all you need is a cool guy with a big gun, and in that way Baze works despite his very little screentime. I also think his few lines were really enjoyable and funny. He could have been given more scenes and more importance in the movie, but his personality and actions are good.

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#1209464
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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dahmage said:

and i fail to see how they are any less relevant than K-2SO, Saw, or Bohdi.

Bodhi at least is the one who defected, tried to communicate with Saw Guerrera, and helped the group to infiltrate Scarif. Not a lot, true, and after the Jedha scenes his relevance is pretty small, but I do understand his appearance in the movie. I liked him, but more could have been done with him.

I did not like K-2SO, since I saw him as the robotic equivalent of a disabled person, as most of the comedy surrounding him is about his inability to understand the context of the moment (example: when Cassian tells him to keep fixing the stolen ship) and making inapropiate comments. There are some shades of this in OT Threepio too, but Threepio is more of a coward and a fish-out-of-water character, rather than a robot with complete lack of emotion-related programming, which seems to be the case with K-2SO. Case in point, if you replace K-2SO with a human, would you laugh at the jokes?

Saw… a wasted potential, personally. He may have been a pretty decent villain or antihero. But then you see that his brain erasing monster can fail to wipe a person’s memory, and he diminishes as a character. Still, there was some potential there.

and it sure seemed like you singled them out because you don’t like the idea of possibly-homosexual characters (this is open to interpretation, i don’t think anything official has stated this by the way).

Sorry but you completely misunderstood my previous comments. What I criticise is that they did not make their homosexual relation more explicit, and that they went to the tired idea of making them a tragic couple where one of them dies and the other is unable to cope with the loss of his lover. I did not criticise that they’re gay. Nor I have a problem with Lando being pansexual.

if you don’t like movies with a team of characters like this, then fine, nobody can convince you to like something.

Nor I am trying to convince others. This isn’t an important conversation, it’s just a bunch of people expressing their opinions.

AllAboutThatSpace said:

Is there anything you do like?

I like Bloodline from the nuEU a lot. I like some Star Wars games.

I do understand what you were trying to say, but I fail to understand how my attitude is different from others, specially since I don’t tend to attack others for their tastes (I have made the occasional joke about the PT, sure, but Frink is much worse than me at this) or have a passive-agressive attitude. My only complain here is that there was no reason for Frink to write a comment that only serves to a) put him as a better person than me, and b) open hostilities. If he (or you, or others) don’t find my contributions interesting, that’s okay. Not everything every user here writes is interesting to me. But unless he or others have some serious problems with my attitude (or unless I do some really shitty action), I don’t see any reasons for Frink to write that comment. That is all.

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#1209444
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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dahmage said:

you say not needed for the plot, then state how they save the heroes. and then you seem to forget how they make the final transmission possible.

IIRC the only time they’re relevant to the plot after saving the heroes is when they made the final transmission possible. So in a Chirrut and Baze-less version of Rogue One, either that plot element would have been removed, or another character would have made the transmission possible.

Again, I repeat: I have no problems with the characters themselves, my problem is how underused and “irrelevant” they are. If Rogue One were lighthearted like Star Wars, it wouldn’t be a problem for me.

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#1209441
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

and i don’t think i will respect the rest of your post. Chirrut and Baze were wonderful characters.

Don’t be The Arrogant.

Dude, I have been reading your (and others’) posts long before I created this account, and this is your typical attitude all the time.

I didn’t attack you, or said your opinions were wrong, I just have a different view, and expressed that, and you came here to said in public that you don’t have the need to read my comments anymore. OK, you don’t find my contributions interesting, fine, no one needs to read me, but to say that in public, with the only purpose to attack me, that’s rather inmature.

I have no problems replying and accepting your different views, not sure why you have the urge to make it explicit you don’t want to do the same.

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#1209433
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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dahmage said:

Krennic works well as the guy who is losing power. it makes him desperate. I don’t get your complaint that him getting weaker is a problem.

For me is a problem because it degrades both the Empire and the plot of the movie. If Krennic were a local leader, I wouldn’t have a problem with him losing power. But I have a harder problem with the guy who is responsible for the Death Star project being so weak after his powerful flashback scene that he needs to be told by Tarkin that the defector pilot comes from Galen Erso’s facility.

OK, not everyone in the Empire is as intelligent and capable as Vader or Tarkin, I get that. But Krennic could have had some iniciative of his own. That he finds out his base is being attacked, okay, that’s fine. That Vader needs to tell him he needs to re-check everything about Galen Erso, ugh not really.

dahmage said:

and i don’t think i will respect the rest of your post. Chirrut and Baze were wonderful characters.

Lol “respect” is a rather strong word but ok. My point isn’t that Chirrut and Baze weren’t wonderful characters, I never said or implied that. All I said is that they are not needed for the plot. They are not connected to the Rebellion, Jyn, Galen, Saw or any of the characters and factions. They appear in Jedha City, they save the heroes, then they’re captured with the heroes, and then they follow the heroes because they have nowhere to go. They’re mostly in the background, although they’re part of key scenes of the movie.

They may be wonderful character (and, in fact, I prefer them to Jyn or Cassian), but since they aren’t further developed (unlike Han in Star Wars) they felt unneccesary. Had they been more prominent after Jedha City, they could have worked.

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#1209410
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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TV’s Frink said:

That’s funny because I had the exact opposite reaction. In theaters I couldn’t remember anyone’s name and didn’t find anything compelling about anyone other than Chirrut, Baze, and sort of Krennic. Since then I’ve grown much more attached to the other characters.

The problem with Krennic is that he’s a weak villain and gets weaker and weaker over the movie, while Chirrut and Baze had no reasons to be in the movie, since they’re not even connected to the plot at all (they’re also the cliché-ridden tragic homosexual couple). One of the problems the Disney movies have (IMO) is too many characters at the same time, which makes things more confusing and/or bloated. Remove Chirrut and Baze and Rogue One gets better.

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#1209404
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

So I think I prefer The Last Jedi over The Force Awakens now because, while TLJ has the awful Canto Bight shit, at least it tried to do something new (even if it sucked and it’s too serious), and because watching TFA is like watching a movie in 2x speed (and a poor, boring, semi-lifeless one with terrible comedy). They’re still poor movies, but, whatever.

Rogue One also sucks.

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#1209362
Topic
General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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SilverWook said:

GZK8000 said:

Boba Fett is Snoke confirmed

Fantastic Films magazine? They did a lot of wild speculating back in the day between sequels. I need to find those and see if anything was on the money. Not sure they were still in business by the time Jedi was out.

According to r/StarWars (I found it there), yup, from Fantastic Films 20:
Boba Fett is Boba Fett confirmed

And this seems to be Boba Fett’s first public appearance:
Boba Fett is communist confirmed

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#1209054
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

TV’s Frink said:

[…]

From r/StarWars:
“I know most people love the jedi, sith, bounty hunters etc. I do to, but a lot of my favourite parts of Star Wars are the political scenes. I absolutely love all the scenes on Coruscant and in the Senate. Including Padme’s deleted scenes in ROTS. Some of my favourite Clone Wars arcs are the ones where they talk politics the entire time. It’s just amazing to me that in this fake universe, they’ve managed to create like 40 years worth of fake politics as well. And on top of that, it’s believable. There’s a reason for every action in Star Wars, and everyone has different motives.”

I mean, it’s one thing to like the prequels and to enjoy the “politics” (there isn’t a lot of politics in the prequels, but, whatever), but I don’t understand what is so amazing about it. It’s not like it’s particulary well developed, or very detailed and complex.

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#1208617
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4k77 released
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MrPib said:

GZK8000 said:
Does this mean that Mike Verta’s color correction is revisionist, since in his restoration the blacks are really blacks, and that would not be representative of how Star Wars looked in theaters in 1977?

What I’ve seen of MV’s work sure looks revisionist to me. Check out https://vimeo.com/123533858

At 3:30 or so, he says that “it never looked like this in theaters”.

Ah, I remember at the time I liked a lot the grading used in that video and others, and I still like it even if it’s not representative of the theatrical experiences.

Here’s 4K77:
4K77 S-Foils in Attack Position