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#1493242
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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Anjohan said:

Obi-Wan using the force on the window in the new, alternate Escape. Reason: Obi-Wan using the force in an impactful way does ruin the implication that when Obi-Wan DOES use his force powers in full (later saving Leia), is when Anakin can sense him. Therefore, Obi-Wan using the force can not be kept for reasons of believability and continuity.

Oops. You are totally right. I forgot about that. Sad to see it go, but I’m a big proponent of only having one kidnapping and also the way you’ve set up Vader sensing Kenobi. Can’t wait for v2. You’ve taken a pretty bad TV series and turned it into a pretty great movie.

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#1493044
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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Just a couple of thoughts on Disney Star Wars as it may pertain to this edit:

First, I’m a big fan of subtlety and nuance, whereas Disney is always heavy-handed and super obvious. They overstate nearly everything without much sophistication.

Second, I love it when the First Order is depicted as inept and stupid but hate it when the Empire is. The way I see it, the First Order are a bunch of wannabe copycats, but the Empire is the real deal, terrifying and formidable.

I’m too busy (lazy) to make my own fanedits, but if I wasn’t, I’d be guided by these overarching principles in dealing with Disney Star Wars.

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#1492851
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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This edit was fantastic. I love most of your creative changes, even the bold ones. Your boldest cut, cutting one of the two kidnappings, was necessary for the flow of a 2-hour film format, so I very much approve. The whole edit was very satisfying and emotionally resonant.

Some positives are that you made Reva much more intimidating by taking the “less is more” approach by having her yell less. She’s a worthy villain now.

I also like that, somehow, you have mitigated the overall ‘cheap’ feel of the production. Not quite film quality, but much better nonetheless.

I’m happy that you kept the Owen and Luke scene in the end. In my opinion it fits seamlessly given the conversation between Obi-Wan and Owen near the beginning of the film.

I did take notes while I watched, so if you ever do a v2, you can take these into consideration:

-In the saloon scene, where the Grand Inquisitor says the way to hunt Jedi is with patience, I believe Reva should still throw the knife, because it’s an effective means of drawing out the Jedi. That way, it’s a “show don’t tell” moment where, instead of a long, nonsensical speech from the Grand Inquisitor about the weakness of Jedi compassion, it is shown that the Jedi will indeed intervene to prevent someone coming into harm’s way. I feel strongly that you should keep the knife throw, because it says a lot about Reva’s character in a very brief instance.

-During the scene where Leia is kidnapped, keep the kidnapper’s answer when Leia asks him what he’s waiting for. Have him reply “for you” right before the sack goes over her head. I say that because it’s quite a frightening shot of him (I also just think it works better). Also, as you have it now, you can see the kidnapper’s mouth still moving even though he’s not saying anything.

-Reva repeats later that “the Jedi hunt themselves”. This line doesn’t work because it only makes sense if someone explains it first, but you’ve already cut the lame explanation given by the Grand Inquisitor. (Also, she wouldn’t quote the Grand Inquisitor; she doesn’t like or respect him at all, so why is she seemingly emulating him).

-Obi Wan asking Haja for help: I like the old version better. The old exchange is very abrupt, admittedly, but the new exchange just has Haja making weird facial expressions without saying anything. I think some kind of hybrid of the two versions would work best. Make it less abrupt, but have him still SAY he will help. And again, like the kidnapper scene, you can still see Obi Wan’s mouth move even though he’s not saying anything.

I’ll also add that I believe keeping the “making amends” line is appropriate. It helps to reassure Obi Wan, at the very least.

-In the escape scene, I can’t believe you cut out the part where Obi Wan was holding the glass in place to keep the water out. That part was frickin’ cool! Maybe it was too badass given that Obi Wan is just rediscovering his powers, but still…it was cool! Keep it!

-The audio transition between the Grand Inquisitor calling Reva “…The least of us,” and her saying “I want every lowlife…” is really confusing. Why does the audio have to bleed into previous shot like that? I just don’t think it works because the viewer thinks she is in the same scene saying that line rather than realizing it’s part of the next scene.

-Why does Kenobi ask Leia “How old are you?” when he was present for her birth? I get that the line is meant to be playful, but I already think Leia is a little overcooked when it comes to Disney trying to portray her as unrealistically precocious.

-The “Who’s in the gutter now?” line after Reva impales the GI doesn’t make sense because it doesn’t call back to anything. The GI mentions it only LATER, but that only adds to the confusion. I think it’s more badass if she kills him without saying anything anyway, i.e, more ruthless and cold.

-On the mining planet, Obi Wan snaps at Leia twice in a way that I find very out of character for the stoic and composed Obi Wan. This is with the “People are not all good Leia” and the “No one is coming here” lines. It is not in Obi-Wan’s character to he this negative and irritable (even if he has been having a rough few years).

-The vision Obi Wan sees of Anakin on the mining planet doesn’t really make sense or serve much of a purpose. It could just be his PTSD, but people can’t really relate to this sort of thing unless they’ve had PTSD themselves. There’s just not enough context for it, so it seems weird.

-The “Nothing wrong with a little order, right?” line seems a little on the nose. I also can’t shake the feeling that the depiction of the driver is just Disney’s idea of every Trump voter in existence.

-Obi Wan goofing and calling Leia by her real name in front of the stormtroopers is incredibly careless and stupid. He’s not that dumb (and never would have made that kind of mistake in the PT or TCW). I believe you can cut it out and still keep the conversation they later have about Padme afterwards. I also like the depiction of the stormtroopers as just regular military guys doing their mundane jobs and not being very invested. I feel like that’s lost when they start interrogating him a little harder over having called her the wrong name.

-Is it possible to use VFX to heighten the gate? I mean, you can see that it would just be so easy to walk around.

-When Tala comes and Obi Wan is ordered to the ground, HE’S STILL HOLDING AND POINTING HIS BLASTER! Perhaps the blaster could be cropped out?? It’s dumb that the officers wouldn’t have immediately ordered him to drop his blaster.

-As a general comment, there is simply too much time spent on the mining planet (before the confrontation with Vader), and the film starts to drag. I feel like there are definitely cuts to be made to tighten up this part of the film and keep the pace going.

-Just as an idea: When Obi-wan is saying sorry to Anakin and starts to cry, maybe have flashbacks to young Anakin from TPM. It could be argued that he was done dirty by the Jedi, and that’s where it all started. He was taken from his home and his mother, and then immediately Mace Windu, Yoda, and the other Jedi rejected him, meaning Anakin was more or less abandoned from the get to, i.e., he leaves his mom, the Jedi Council rejects him, Qui Gon dies, and Obi-Wan (at the time) was very reluctant to take him on. On behalf of himself and the Jedi, Obi-Wan indeed has a lot to be sorry for.

-I still have no problem with the “Then my friend is truly dead” line and still think it should be reinstated. It completes Obi-Wan’s emotional journey of ‘letting go’ by accepting that Anakin is indeed gone. It’s a powerful moment that ties well to ANH.

-On a minor note, at 2:15:39 the music transition seems rough.

Once again, great edit. Thank you for taking the time to read.

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#1491520
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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Anjohan said:

I was wondering if perhaps the emotional climax of Obi-Wan and Leia’s reunion at Alderaan would have an even bigger impact if Obi-Wan leaves her on the ship when she’s upset that he is to leave and runs off?

And then I also think that Leia sneaking Lola into his pocket would be even more emotional based on that change as well, as it tells us as the audience that even if she’s upset with Obi-Wan abandoning her on the ship, she still understands and wants him to remember her and feel safe.

It shows great character imo, and it leaves us as the audience feeling unresolved up until they reunite on Alderaan.

JEDIT:

Only issue is that she holds Lola in her hand as she’s upset and runs off. I could crop the footage to keep her out tho’. Can’t rotoscope it without wasting one year of my life.

I have a problem, generally, with how Kenobi is routinely made to look like in idiot. Up until this series, Kenobi was highly competent, thoughtful, intelligent, stoic, level-headed, steadfast, and reliable. He retains some of this in the new series, but his character is wildly inconsistent from scene to scene. My problem with the scene you are referring to, is that neither Obi-Wan nor Leia are being true to their actual characters. Leia is often presented as an adult in a child’s body, and Kenobi is often depicted as a clueless, bumbling idiot. I don’t remember the details of this scene that well, but I remember thinking it was pretty cringe for that reason.

Someone pointed out to me that Kenobi resembles the biblical Job. Kenobi is a good man who loses everything and is pushed beyond the limits of what anyone should have to endure. Rather than being weak, or stupid—as this series sometimes depicts him—he’s actually a very strong and capable man albeit saddled with a tremendous amount of adversity. I think that fact should always be kept in mind.

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#1491438
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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revel911 said:

DZ-330 said:

Just a shower thought…

Can Obi’s:
“Then my friend is truly dead. Goodbye, Darth.”

Be edited to:
“My friend is not dead. Goodbye, Darth”

This can help to explain why Obi leaves and does not kill him. It will also explain Vader’s line of “Obi-Wan once thought as you do” in ROTJ.

There is no perfect answer. He tells Luke that Anakin is dead so the dialogue works there. Dialogue doesn’t need to explain Obi leaving, he does not because that’s who he is.

Yeah, I feel like this is trying to fix something that isn’t actually broken. I think any further effort to fix canon here is just going to draw away from the emotional impact of the scene.

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#1491305
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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topdawg193 said:

If an edit was to be attempted that gave Obi-Wan a more explicit reason NOT to kill Vader; could Obi-Wan sensing Luke in danger not be used? Bring Obi-Wan’s visions of Luke’s peril further forward, so that he senses this soon after Vader is defeated and so rushes away more immediately after their duel? It would probably entail losing the “So long, Darth” line - which is shame!

But the whole drama with Luke is just so nonsensical and, arguably, canon-breaking. And Reva’s redemption for having spared Luke is unearned. None of it works, and I feel like it’s all more offensively bad than Obi-wan sparing Vader’s life—especially since it is conceivable that Obi-Wan would spare his life.

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#1491251
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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Sirius said:

I’ll be sincere, I prefer the NFBisms version of the opening. Personally, I don’t have a problem with the fact that the NFBisms’ version doesn’t has music, after all it’s just the first five minutes of the movie and it has the sole purpose to summarizes Obi-Wan’s routine. Besides that, the absence of music makes the scene more impactful and helps to start the film really strong (and NFBisms edited it in a really unique way that just works really well). But that’s just my two cents.

I second this…sorta. I don’t have a strong preference for NFBism’s version or anything. But I think, as brief intro, and somewhat of a recap, it’s allowed to be tonally inconsistent to an extent with the rest of the film. I just don’t think it’s that much of a problem, but since you went through the trouble of making an alternate version, well…I guess that’s fine, too.

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#1490310
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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Anjohan said:

I got this idea in my head as I was doing some finishing touches on the last duel and the ending, and… well, see for yourself:

https://streamable.com/ngan0x

So, that’s what I spent the last two hours on. I just had to put it together to see if this is something we should chase or leave alone. It’s probably too fanedit-y and radical too be included, but worth giving a shot.

Love this, personally. And I don’t think it’s too “fanedit-y” at all if it improves the flow and logic of the original material. The second rescue is far better, imo, and I don’t think it’s feasible to keep both in a TV-to-movie edit.

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#1490309
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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Octorox said:

I agree with this, and honestly I don’t see him not finishing Vader off as an issue. Sure, he recognizes that Anakin is gone, but recognizing it is one thing, and striking the killing blow himself is another. He couldn’t do it on Mustafar, and I think he still couldn’t do it here.

Precisely. We all know Kenobi is a massive softie under that stoic exterior. 😃

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#1490153
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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Anjohan said:
I hope the removal of the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will help clarify to the audience that Obi-Wan still sees his friend in there and that killing him is just not in his heart. Thank you for a great assesment of the problem.

You’re gutting the whole series of its emotional climax! Too many faneditors get so caught up in their desire to preserve canon and continuity that they will sacrifice important thematic elements of a story. This whole series is about Obi-wan being haunted by his sense of guilt over Anakin and then finally being released from that guilt. It was a powerful moment of catharsis truly unrivaled by the rest of the series. An editor’s first priority should be helping a good story come to the fore. I also think a good fanedit works with the original vision of the media, not against it. You are trying to fix something that ostensibly breaks the OT, but I assure you, you cannot make the OT one bit better or worse with this edit; you can only improve the material that you’re working with.

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#1489904
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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Anjohan said:

Also, Darth Raditz had a really cool idea. Perhaps Anakin seeing Qui-Gon stand behind Obi-Wan COULD work. His points and justification of it (on the previous page) is very impressive. Let me think about it and perhaps play around with it.

I think that would be an unnecessary distraction that would take away from an otherwise powerful moment.

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#1489665
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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I thought ep 6 more or less stuck the landing. The conclusion between Vader vs Obi Wan actually made me shed a tear. However, I didn’t think the Reva storyline resolved in a impactful, compelling, or even sensible way. In fact, her motivation for wanting to kill young Luke after being left for dead by Vader goes completely over my head. I wonder if Reva’s story shouldn’t just end after ep 5. Admittedly, that would draw away from the final scene with Owen, Obi Wan, and Luke, but the faneditor must make hard decisions sometimes.

I just didn’t care for the Reva storyline throughout, TBH. I thought the character and the actor playing her were both pretty weak. I never felt I was given a good reason to care, and her redemption was unearned (I just keep thinking about how she cut that poor woman’s hand off). I’m not for completely cutting her out of the show; I just think her hatred and lust for revenge should be her undoing, i.e., her story ends in ep 5.

Just let her be the villain. She doesn’t need to crowd out Obi Wan with her own story and redemption. Nobody came for her anyway, and she’s not a particularly sympathetic character at any point in the series. It was just Disney’s usual bait and switch that they’ve been doing as of late: People came for Obi Wan/Vader, and got a whole lot of Reva crammed in there instead.

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#1487521
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (Released)
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Why not put a brief pause in this line. Doing so makes it come across as if he’s saying it with more trepidation:

“Sir, about the girl. They say that she’s dangerous, that she has powers…like yours.”

And:

“Her powers are only beginning to awaken. The longer it takes to find her, the more dangerous she becomes.”

Too on the nose??

Or:

“She’s only begun to grasp the fullness of her powers. The longer it takes to find her, the more dangerous she becomes.”

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#1486625
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [RELEASED] [5.1 Surround]
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The Inquisitor giving a speech about Jedi compassion is cartoon-level villainy. The official narrative of the Empire is that it is hunting down the Jedi because they betrayed the Republic, not because they are too kind. This isn’t how governments (even evil ones) spread propaganda about their enemies.

They’ve leaned way too hard into making Obi-Wan look sad, pathetic, and lonely. I think it would actually be more powerful (and, in a way, more sad) if Obi-Wan retained a degree of optimism in the face of such a dire and hopeless situation. They are doing to Obi-Wan what they did to Luke in TLJ, but it happens to be even less fitting for Obi-Wan’s character, who is typically even more stoic and steadfast than Luke.

Leia’s character is just bad. Sure, Leia was sharp as a tack in the original trilogy, but she didn’t have genius level psycho-analytical skills. Just let her be a damn kid here.

I actually really like what you did with the Anakin scene. Maybe have the transitions be faster, like an eye blinking. They are after all looking at each other, …sorta (or at least sensing each other).

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#1460393
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Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Another Happy Sanding. (Released)
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I really like all of the seeds of the rebellion scenes, and I think they fit nicely into your edit. I like the ambiguity that arises out of whether Padme means to reach out to Anakin or Obi Wan. I also like these scenes because they give Padme more to do, whereas in the theatrical cut, she’s reduced to a mere plot device.

I think your cut is really good. I think the pacing of the theatrical cut is already pretty good, so I personally don’t really think it needs to be sped up. The only exceptions are that the opening and the ending are a bit overlong. I think you have already done a fine job of tightening up the opening, but I suppose if something had to be sacrificed, I’d go after the ending. The stuff with Yoda communicating with Qui Gon and going to Dagobah seems extraneous.

But really, the edit is already very good.

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#1459585
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [89%] - Released up to S05E01 (Martez Sisters)
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My impressions of S01E01:
07:37 and 14:18 The music transition could use a little smoothing over.

16:07 The cut seems very abrupt.

18:58 The fade out seems too fast, again as if cutting to commercial break.

I think I would be a bigger fan of the fades you have included if they were actually a little more drawn out, i.e., you said you were using them as a reset/breather. I agree with that in principle, but it feels like they are just being used interchangeably. I honestly can’t really explain why they are pulling me out of the experience. All I can say is that, to me, it intuitively feels off.

I want to emphasize that I don’t have a good grasp on the challenges posed by the source material or editing process. I’m just giving you my “gut instinct” impressions strictly as a viewer.

I will end by saying that I did like the episode over all. I thought it had really good pacing and was very engaging.

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#1459441
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [89%] - Released up to S05E01 (Martez Sisters)
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Hi. Just watched S01E02. Here are a few notes:

At 01:55 there is a single frame (of guns firing) that appears to be flipped. Not sure what would have caused this error. Blink and you’ll miss it, but it’s there.

At 01:57 I’d say the shot of Grievous laughing is too abrupt and out of context—probably because we have not been introduced to him yet.
Seems unnecessary, too.

At 06:36 the fade out/in is too quick to work, maybe a wipe would work instead?

At 19:46, another fade out/in feels strange. It feels like a TV show pausing for a commercial break, which I think runs contrary to the more cinematic feel you are going for.

Generally speaking, I almost wonder if the Plo Koon rescue could be shortened to serve more as a First Act (i.e., under 10 mins or so) to give your episodes more of a traditional three Act feel. Otherwise, it still has that feeling of simply stitching TV episodes together.

It’s possible that some of these things I’m referencing are present in the original source material. My disclaimer is that I’m not familiar enough with it to know, so keep that in mind.

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#1459222
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (Released)
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theprion said:

NeverarGreat said:
in Starlight Rey’s journey is more clearly about her quick acceptance of the Dark Side to survive, implying that she must find a mentor in the Force if she is to avoid this dark fate. Her meeting with Luke retains its former meaning, but now gains a new one in that Rey is revealing her deep spiritual and emotional need for guidance. She is not a centered, self-sufficient character as she was portrayed in the theatrical version, but a hurt, wounded character who has survived only by giving in to vengeance. With this new context the final moments seem to me to be a fitting culmination of Rey’s journey given the assumption that Luke takes the saber and becomes the mentor she needs. In this way the film ends on the perfect moment, for any rejection by Luke would throw her into deeper temptation as TLJ reveals.

What a great piece of insight, just sold me on the edit. Can I get a look-see?

I second this. Could not agree more. I like that you are thinking about the theme and message of the sequel trilogy, rather than just slicing and dicing on the basis of what you think fits the canon of the OT.

As an aside, something that Poppasketti’s Rekindled fails to do, that perhaps your TLJ edit could conceivably accomplish, is making Holdo less of a nonsense character.

I know I’m just some rando on the Internet, but I cannot recommend this review of TLJ enough:

https://youtu.be/T2cBTLsWiDg

^ Mod Edit:A Guide to The Last Jedi (for the Star Wars Fan Base)’ - a 38 minute video at the Nerrel youtube channel. Why this has been posted in here, ‘The Force Awakens: Starlight’ project thread is lost on me.
 

Not only is it hilarious, but it talks a lot about what TLJ was at least TRYING to accomplish. Rather than just hating on the film, he talks a lot about TLJ’s strengths and provides a lot of insight into Poe and Holdo. I only recommend this because I think you have done a fine job of bringing out the best in TFA and making it much stronger thematically.

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#1459219
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Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Another Happy Sanding. (Released)
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I’ll say again that it is an exceptional edit that combines the best from past edits. Your prequel trilogy really is the “goldilocks” best of all worlds approach. It is “just right”, neither being too conservative, nor too heavy-handed. More people need to check this out.

I’ve watched your latest edit twice now, and I have only a few comments. Something that seems inconsistent with your prior edits is the droids. They are nearly silent in your edits of TPM and AotC, but a lot of their hapless, slapstick dialogue is included in RotS. Don’t get me wrong. I LOVE the droid humor and have really come to embrace it (The Village Bride had it, and it made me happy), but again, I wonder if it reflects an inconsistency.

On the decapitation of Dooku, I think you’ve got the right idea, but I wonder if I can’t be tightened up a bit. Anakin holds the lightsabers to Dooku’s neck for I think about seven seconds, and you’re left wondering what the hold up is. It just seems a little drawn out.

I agree with all the cuts, generally speaking. I would say, however, that some of the audio might need a little finessing in places to make it truly seamless. I’ll add that I’m noticing this mostly with your most recent cuts. Sometimes the music doesn’t sound right, or one line of dialogue doesn’t transition well to the next (sometimes it’s the volume, and sometimes it’s the timing). There also seems to be a small audio glitch when C3P0 is reacting to Bail Organa saying to wipe his memory.

These are all very minor. Just some observations while watching the last couple of times.