G E Predator

Honestly, I don't think it's anyone's fault.  Before Episode 1, we all had different perspectives about Anakin Skywalker, the Clone Wars and everything else that occurred before Episode 4.  Even Lucas had his own idea about it.  What we see in the official DVD's is what GL envisioned.  What we see in the fan-edits is what another person or group of people sees.  So naturally compared our ages to GL's, we may have different opinions about what is and what isn't.

And please don't tell me that GL has "crapped this idea in my head."  This is my own saying from my own mind.  GL does inspire me, but he does not mesmerize me in anyway.

C3PX said:

I dunno man, 40 pages back give you an excuse; only two posts back on the other hand...

;)

Well, no one's perfect. :)

Sumguy21 said:

There are very few things that make me cringe in Revisited and this change is one of them:

 

I've never understood the purpose of this change for a couple of reasons:

1. There wasn't really anything wrong with the original that broke the suspension of disbelief or hurt the drama of the scene. Seeing a small vehicle in the horizon of which we can't make out the details brings a sense of wonder and imagination. This is one of the shots I most remember from the OT and one of my favorites as a kid.

2. I'm not sure what Ady used as the source for the new sand crawler. I know he said the only CG he used was of the TIEs, but this shot looks like CG. It's not convincing at all.

3. A first time watcher is not supposed to clearly make out what sort of transport C3PO is signaling. We are supposed to wonder how C3PO and R2 are going to reunite. We can already clearly see R2 being picked up in a Sand Crawler and if we know C3PO is signaling a center ship, we can deduce C3PO and R2 are both on the same Sand Crawler, which hurts the drama.

Reply to your second reason:  He used the shot from the Original Unaltered ANH of the sand crawler coming over the sand dunes, then combined it with the present shot to give the dune more scale.  That shot  from the 1977 ANH occurred after the original scene with the storm troopers searching around the crashed escape pod for droids.  The 1997 special edition replaced original sand crawler shot with a closer and more dynamic shot.

Reply to your thrid reason:  Most us fans are not first time watchers, but...I actually agree with you completely, Sumguy21.  Not being able to see clearly what 3PO is seeing on the horizon contributes to the element of surprise in the scene.

adywan said:

Backstroke said:

-  Why use our system of numbers in the movie when all lettering have been replaced with aurabesh?

It's just a consideration that so much time goes in to converting all references to english writting and replacing it with aurabesh (which is extremely effectfull) but when we get to the Death Star coming in on Yavin there is a, sorry to say it, generic timer counting down? This is by the way the only thing I reacted to. Sure I wish there'd been even more ships in the Death Star battle but I can fully understand how heavy such a effect sequence might be.

Sometimes we need a visual reference that we recognise  to enhance the dramatic element of a scene. Changing the number system to Aurabesh for the countdown clock just didn't work. You need that "our world" visual reference for the clock. I did try changing the numbering to Aurabesh but, when watching it back, it lost something. This is the problem with some SCI-FI in that they change everything to look other worldly and it fails. Any lettering wasn't the focus in a scene but the numbering was and this needed to stay recognisable

I gotta agree with Adywan.  Not every text seen on the Death Star has to be in Aurabesh, just like not every character we see in the movie has to speak a different language relating to his/her planet of origin.  Even with the vocal announcement of how much time is remaining before the Rebel base is in range of the Death Star, having the count down timer in Aurabesh is just plain too much.

C3PX said:

G E Predator said:

What's so bad about having two sets?  You got one to keep in the box and sell as a collectible, and the other is yours to play with or display on a shelf in your room.  I'd say it's a win-win thing.

Heh, looks like someone opted not to read beyond the first post.

 

On the plus side, I didn't ask about something that was discussed 40 pages back.  Beside, sometimes great minds really do think alike.

xhonzi said:

So, I ran out today and bought the big-big Millennium Falcon at Toys R Us since it was 50% off.  I showed my wife and she rolled her eyes and told me my mother would be giving it to me for Christmas.

Am I on the wrong side of "cool geek" here, or am I doing okay?

What's so bad about having two sets?  You got one to keep in the box and sell as a collectible, and the other is yours to play with or display on a shelf in your room.  I'd say it's a win-win thing.

adywan said:

worst edit ideas?

Gl's final Blu-ray version includes changes to the OT to match the PT:-

ANH:
In Mos Eisley, as they approach the cantina, 3PO steps in some Ronto poo
All the stormtroopers are re-dubbed with Morrison's voice
Mark Hamill is hired to provide new dialogue that turns Luke into the Ric Olie of the OT. Eg.
    "Oh look. Stormtroopers. And it looks like they are going to stop us"
    "Oh look. Obi-wan has cut his arm off"
    "Oh look. It's yavin 4. This is the secret base of the rebel alliance"
    "Oh look. There's leia. And it looks like she is going to give us medals. Well maybe not you, Chewie"
An extended lightsabre fight with Obi-Wan and Vader replaced by CG so Obi-Wan can now do back-flips and they can both twirl their   lightsabres for 5 minutes without making contact.
Biggs is removed from the movie and replaced with jar jar and the deleted scenes at Anchorhead are restored with the new character.
      "Meesa gonna jump ship. meesa gonna join the rebel alliance, Luke".

ESB:
The taun-Taun farts when it becomes nervous
The AT-At's are replaced with 40ft CG snowmen that throw snowballs at the rebels instead of firing lasers, to be more child friendly and also to coincide with the Hasbro cuddly Imperial snowman range of toys
Yoda become CG and floats around on his hovver-board instead of being carried on Luke's back
Chewie no longer strangles Lando but instead happy slaps him few times while filming it on his mobile to appeal to the youtube  audience

ROTJ:
The rancor is removed and replaced by the CG monster from Cloverfield
All of jabbas court are replaced by Disney characters for the new tie-in range of toys
The Sarlaac beak is removed and replaced by a giant sphincter and now farts instead of burps and has giant haemorrhoids instead of tentacles
The Mon Calamari are replaced with gungans. Admiral Acbar now becomes Admiral Acbarbar
The ewoks no longer use weapons but instead tickle and hug the Imperials into submission
New Ewok characters added including Barbie ewok, Lego Ewok and Ewok Bratz to again coincide with a new range of merchandise
All communicators are replaced by the latest iPhone
As Luke is brought before the Emperor he walks over to Luke, pricks his finger and analyses his blood - " The force is strong with you, young skywalker. Your Midichlorian count is off the scale. Much like your fathers"
The ewok celebration is again changed. This time Ewoks, played by Miley Cyrus and Britney Spears, perform a benefit concert.
Luke and leia begin to glow as millions of tiny creatures appear:- the midichlorians come to party
Sebastian Shaw's ghost is replaced by a creepy looking Hayden Christensen (please tell me this didn't actually happen and its just a bad nightmare i had)

 

Damn!  You really thought this through didn't you?  Besides having lists of what you'd like to see, you must have a bigger list than this of what you don't like to see, eh?

Like most of you OT fans who say TPM, I knew that Darth Sidious and Chancellor Palpatine were one in the same the second he appeared on the screen and we heard the eerie "Emperor's Theme."  I didn't really feel any surprise or disappointment by it.  After all, if we've seen the OT before the NT, then we know that little Anakin Skywalker grows up to become Darth Vader.

It was just like when you make a movie about Palm Harbor, Titanic or September 11, 2001 (BTW, I mean no disrespect to anyone).  If you've researched the history before you see the movie, then you pretty much know what to expect.

dark_jedi said:

BOBA FETT'S WIFE said:

How about making the films as close to the originals as possible?. I dont mean trimming every bit of the special editions away but all the pointless stuff like the extra snow creature scenes , Vaders return to his star destroyer , the pointless camera paning around the sand dunes in ROTJ . Is it possible to have the original   ending of Return Of The Jedi ?. Also insert the original Boba Fett's voice and "bring my shuttle " line back. Could something like this be done? .

 

I have no interest in turning this into a full blown major editing project,Adywans Revisited series is for that,but I would not mind doing some simple color correcting,and maybe some easy edits(maybe)I personally like all the SE versions as well as the Original versions,I am NOT a hater on all the changes like most are here.

I am a Star Wars fan of old and new.

That makes two of us.

Gaffer Tape said:

Touche.  But maybe a laser-powered superweapon is more cost-efficient in the long run.  But unfortunately, I'm not up to date on my dollars-to-credits conversions, nor do I know the difference between the cost of building and maintaining a laser-firing superweapon and building, somewhat-maintaining, and destroying a fleet of disposable light-speed-capable ships.

Wow.  I'm really beginning to sound like a nerd.

This world would be better place if it were run by nerds.

C3PX said:

Observe:

Tarkin would have gone, “That must be where the Rebel base is! Destroy that planet!”?

The question mark (?) at the end of this quote indicates that it was a question.

He is asking, not stating. Basically he was asking you, do you actually think Tarkin would have blown up the planet the Falcon was traced to, regardless of whether or not there was evidence to indicate there was Rebel activity taking place there?

Yes, I believe that he would.  Since no one in the Empire had any idea where the Rebel Base was, they would have assumed that whatever planet that the Millennium Falcon would be where the Rebel's hidden base was located.

cap said:

G E Predator said:

cap said:

I didn’t realize that Yavin was a gas giant.  That’s a satisfying answer to that question.

 

Question #3: if Leia suspected that there was a homing beacon on the Falcon, why didn’t they go somewhere else and hire another ship to fly to Yavin?  Did they want the Death Star to find their base?

 

That I can answer definetly.  Leia is not the type of person to put innocent people at risk.  Since the Empire was following the Falcon to the secret Rebel Base - which they were trying to find to begin with - they would have assumed that the first place that the Millennium Falcon lands WAS in fact the Rebel Base.

 

That doesn’t make sense.  If they had gone to a place where ships can be hired (Mos Eisley on Tatooine, or a similar place), Tarkin would have gone, “That must be where the Rebel base is! Destroy that planet!”?

That's exactly the point that I was making.  How does it not makes sense to you if you get the point?

cap said:

I didn’t realize that Yavin was a gas giant.  That’s a satisfying answer to that question.

 

Question #3: if Leia suspected that there was a homing beacon on the Falcon, why didn’t they go somewhere else and hire another ship to fly to Yavin?  Did they want the Death Star to find their base?

That I can answer definetly.  Leia is not the type of person to put innocent people at risk.  Since the Empire was following the Falcon to the secret Rebel Base - which they were trying to find to begin with - they would have assumed that the first place that the Millennium Falcon lands WAS in fact the Rebel Base.  One person had asked me, "why didn't they go to Cloud City and have Lando's people remove the homing beacon?"  Well, it's obvious as seen in TESB what would happen if the Empire tracked them to Bespin, so if they went there instead of Yavin IV, then odds are Imperial Troops would storm Cloud City and hold everyone hostage.  So it was right thing to simply go straight to the hidden Rebel Base, analyze the data stored inside R2, formed a plan of attack and engaged in a full assault against the Death Star.

Another question of similarity brought up was, "if Leia know that the Falcon was being tracked, wouldn't she have tried to find and disarm the homing beacon?"  Again, another simple answer:  Han Solo would not allow anyone to mess with his ship in anyway for whatever reason.

cap said:

1) Why don’t the rebels evacuate the base just in case?  A skeleton crew would have to remain behind to coordinate the attack on the Death Star, but they can do that from a ship, and everybody else can be getting the hell out of Dodge at light speed, leaving the Death Star nothing to destroy but an empty base.

 

2) The Death Star spends 30 minutes orbiting the planet to get a shot at the moon.  Wouldn’t it be a lot faster to just blast the planet?  Judging by the debris and shock wave resulting from the destruction of Alderaan (in the SE and later editions), the explosion almost certainly would take out the moon.  Even if it doesn’t, it would leave the Death Star with an open shot at the moon.  At the very least, the moon would be rendered uninhabitable and the base useless; people and ships might have a chance to get away, but they should be gone already anyway, especially if you give them an extra 30 minutes to evacuate while you circle the planet.

And talk about an “effective demonstration”!  It would say, “If you harbor Rebels in your system, you’re dead, no questions asked, so you better be vigilant about not letting Rebels use your system.”

1) The best answer I can give is that the Rebel Base on Yavin was a hidden base but not the main base of operation.  To keep the base hidden, they kept their supply of ships small -- only rebel fighters like X-wings and Y-wings.  And since the entire rebel fleet was engaging an attack on the Death Star, and that Han and Chewie left in the Falcon (though Han found the heart to return and helpout at the last second), there were no available ships for everyone who was still on Yavin IV to evacuate incase the fleet failed.

Of course, in ANH infinities shows an alterate reality in the Star Wars Universe.  When Luke's proton torpedoes fail to destroy the Death Star yet they manage to damage the primary weapon, the rebels are given more time to evacuate before the Death Star laser can charge up, and are thus able to.

2) Yavin is an orange gas planet, and the beam from the Death Star might have just passed through it.  If that was the case, the Death Star needed to have its primary weapon aimed directly at Yavin IV.  However, if the Death Star did manage to blow up Yavin, the intense reaction from the gas planet could easily obliterate both Yavin IV and the Death Star.

Possible ideas of Star Wars Prequel infinities:

TPM - What if Anakin hadn't destroyed the Trade Federation control ship?  And what if Queen Amidala did not capture the Viceroy?

ATOC - What if Padme had been killed on the landing plat form?  or what if she had gotten stung by those poisonous Kouhuns?  Would she had died?  And would Anakin want to avenge her death and get an early start down the path to the dark side?

ROTS - What if the Jedi had slain Palpatine before he could seduce Anakin?  And what if General Grievous had defeated Obi-Wan on Utapau?

I would have also asked for ROTS "what if Anakin had defeated Obi-Wan on Mustafar?" but thanks to the bonus level of the Episode III game, we already have an idea.

Sevb32 said:

Vader was playing dumb to the Emperor.

I figured that he was also trying to protect Luke from the Emperor.

Davnes007 said:

Can you fix the aspect ratio using Formatting Tags?

I 'fixed' my first few uploads this way.

That does stretch it out more to fill the entire screen, but I was thinking of using Handbrake to covert them into HD and still keep the 2.35:1 Anamorphic aspect ratio.

My recent youtube vid here is an example of what I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLep-hbLBc8

doubleofive said:

fishmanlee said:

doubleofive said:

rcb said:

hey, im back. threads have just been real dry lately. anyways...

i was watching the entire saga in order, one through six, and thought of something. don't u think vader would be a little pissed at luke because wouldn't vader blame him for padme's death? out of his own dark anger of course.

It is unknown how he officially figures out that Luke is actually his son

 luke "SKYWALKER" ? i mean that would be a BIG clue

As others have said, "Skywalker" could be a very common name.  Maybe that's why Lucas added the "hey, this Skywalker kid you're chasing is actually YOUR kid!" to the hologram scene.  I still don't like it in the scene, but I'm beginning to understand.

Vader actually learned about Luke's full name from another Rebel that Vader had captured and interrogated.  So at the time of Empire, Vader already knew that Luke was his son.  The reason he asks (in the 2004 DVD version) "how is that possible?" is because he is still a bit astounded that he has a son even though he knew Padme had died.

vaderios said:

Isnt already up?

 

-Angel

Yes, but I'm talking about re-uploading and presenting it in it's correct aspect ratio.  That mean no more stretch warps that make everyone look taller and thinner, and better sound quality too.

Also, if I do this then the 13 parts that I have uploaded now will be taken down.

Attention my fellow fans,

I have just learned how to convert video clips in HD vids without distorting the picture.  That being said, I am now willing to re-upload ANH:R to YouTube in it's correct aspect ratios.  Before I do, I want to get the green light from Adywan as well as all of you.  If you want me to proceed, let me know.

Davnes007 said:

G E Predator said:

You know that you're a Star Wars fan when...

...you let your dog ride shot gun in your car/truck/etc.

Wouldn't that mean every redneck 'southern-american' is a Star Wars fan?

 

I am not implying that.  It's a Han and Chewbacca reference joke.

You know that you're a Star Wars fan when...

...you can recite every line from of the films word for word.

...you get an opportunity to quote on of those lines, and use it.

...you drive on the highway, and you can't help humming the music cue "Here They Come" from A New Hope.

...you let your dog ride shot gun in your car/truck/etc.

...the only reason you watch Family Guy is for the many Star Wars references.

...you refer to your enemies as either "Rebel Scum" or "Jedi Slime"...or the ever popular "Scruffy-looking Nerfherder"

Can anyone else come up with anymore of these jokes?

oh_riginal said:

G E Predator said:

oh_riginal said:

Mr Ghostface said:

GE Predator:

I believe that I can explain that.  For 19 years, Luke and Obi-Wan lived on Tattooine, a desert planet with two suns.  My theory is that those who are not native to Tattooine may experience some excessive aging over a period of years due to the two sun.  And as we know from the prequels, Luke and Obi-Wan were not born on Tattooine.

Works for me. After all, look at Owen and Beru. Those harsh Tatooine desert winds and blazing sunshine "is doing murder to mesa skin".

 

 

Other than the joke about Luke's age, I was not referring to age as in appearance. I meant in physical fitness. Dooku certainly looks even older in the PT than Obi Wan does in the OT, yet Dooku is a seriously athletic duelist while Obi Wan looks like... an old man who someone handed a lightsaber and said "see that guy in black? Try to beat him up with this."

Keep in mind I'm not talking about the limits of the actors, or CGI heads on young bodies, but the characters themselves. I don't think two suns would make Obi Wan lose his skills over time.

As for the idea that he was out of practice, I want to make a counterpoint...

Shaolin Monks, no matter how old they get, keep on practicing their martial arts, not because they want to keep up their practice for fun, but because it is their culture, their way of life. I've always assumed the Jedi are supposed to be very similar to this (the use of temples, training from youth, etc.) So, despite having the temple destroyed and being chased off into hiding, wouldn't Obi Wan continue his practices as a Jedi? After all, it is his culture! On a remote planet, in the privacy of his home, why would he not be able to practice Jedi techniques, both physically, spiritually (or with the force, in this matter), and mentally?

But none of this really matters, since ANH has been filmed over 30 years ago, and the Obi Wan duel we got is the only duel we will ever get. Only Ady's re-editing has made him appear faster.

 

Okay, let's say that Obi-Wan did keep in practice while in solitude on Tattooine.  He was also watching over Luke as he had vowed to do after Padme died and Anakin (who was thought to be dead) had been lost to the darkside.  Keeping Luke out of trouble all the while keeping out of site of Owen Lars might have been quite a chore for Obi-Wan that he did not keep in practice with his saber techniques as often as he did when he was part of the old Jedi Order.

BTW, I'm not contradicting your statement.  I'm just throwing in a possible explanation.

 

I don't know, that sounds like a bit of a stretch. Surely it shouldn't be hard for a Jedi of Obi Wan's legacy to secretly keep an eye on young Luke?

I just hate the idea because it sounds like something Lucas would actually use, and make a TV show about... "The Whacky Misadventures of Young Luke Skywalker!" also starring Obi Wan, who teaches Luke a valuable lesson at the end of each episode, like buying an apple from the store instead of a candy bar, cause it's nutritious!

Forgive me for saying so, but I don't see anything bad about that.  I mean, can any of us really come up with something better?

What would be you're explanation to why Obi-Wan doesn't move as fast in ANH like he did in ROTS?

oh_riginal said:

Mr Ghostface said:

GE Predator:

I believe that I can explain that.  For 19 years, Luke and Obi-Wan lived on Tattooine, a desert planet with two suns.  My theory is that those who are not native to Tattooine may experience some excessive aging over a period of years due to the two sun.  And as we know from the prequels, Luke and Obi-Wan were not born on Tattooine.

Works for me. After all, look at Owen and Beru. Those harsh Tatooine desert winds and blazing sunshine "is doing murder to mesa skin".

 

 

Other than the joke about Luke's age, I was not referring to age as in appearance. I meant in physical fitness. Dooku certainly looks even older in the PT than Obi Wan does in the OT, yet Dooku is a seriously athletic duelist while Obi Wan looks like... an old man who someone handed a lightsaber and said "see that guy in black? Try to beat him up with this."

Keep in mind I'm not talking about the limits of the actors, or CGI heads on young bodies, but the characters themselves. I don't think two suns would make Obi Wan lose his skills over time.

As for the idea that he was out of practice, I want to make a counterpoint...

Shaolin Monks, no matter how old they get, keep on practicing their martial arts, not because they want to keep up their practice for fun, but because it is their culture, their way of life. I've always assumed the Jedi are supposed to be very similar to this (the use of temples, training from youth, etc.) So, despite having the temple destroyed and being chased off into hiding, wouldn't Obi Wan continue his practices as a Jedi? After all, it is his culture! On a remote planet, in the privacy of his home, why would he not be able to practice Jedi techniques, both physically, spiritually (or with the force, in this matter), and mentally?

But none of this really matters, since ANH has been filmed over 30 years ago, and the Obi Wan duel we got is the only duel we will ever get. Only Ady's re-editing has made him appear faster.

Okay, let's say that Obi-Wan did keep in practice while in solitude on Tattooine.  He was also watching over Luke as he had vowed to do after Padme died and Anakin (who was thought to be dead) had been lost to the darkside.  Keeping Luke out of trouble all the while keeping out of site of Owen Lars might have been quite a chore for Obi-Wan that he did not keep in practice with his saber techniques as often as he did when he was part of the old Jedi Order.

BTW, I'm not contradicting your statement.  I'm just throwing in a possible explanation.

Banthapoodoo said:

G E Predator said:

It wasn't "Duel of the Fates," it was "Battle of the Heroes."

My mistake. Thanks for the correction.

 

You're welcome