skye1083 said:
I can accept that as an explanation for Luke and Leia, but what about Han? He should look like he did when he he was frozen, right? Three months or three years, he would age a lot slower than they would.
Right. Han shouldn't really age while he was frozen in Carbonite.
Darth Editous said:
It's not missing or out of snyc, but it's an ear splitting pitch.
What are you playing it with? Have you tried it with VLC? And just to double check, the audio is present and recognisably Star Wars, just squealy? And other AVIs are fine?
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Windows Player. I didn't have this issues until I installed Windows 7.
Ghost said:
Try this site- http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/06/17/improving-audio-glitch-resilience-in-windows-7.aspx
Okay, I read the blog. Now what do I do about the audio glitch?
I need some helpful advice. I had Windows 7 installed on my laptop, and when I tried to watch Star Wars Revisited and the trailer for Empire Revisited, the sound completely screwed up. It's not missing or out of snyc, but it's an ear splitting pitch. I tried re-downloading SWR, but I still have the same problem.
Can someone help me out on what to do?
Bingowings said:
So it's up to the editor and the viewer.
So in other terms, it's all depends on a certain point of view? Still, my point being that Han had to have been frozen for a shorter time than normally estimated. He survived the process of freezing, but he could have died if he was left in carbonate for too long. And a three year time span would surly have left him dead.
And also like I pointed out, just because the actors age doesn't mean that the characters have too. The toll of war could have effected them, as well as being on Tatooine rounding up a rescue team and Luke building his replacement lightsaber.
Bingowings said:
G E Predator said:
Survived the freezing process, he did. Survive the time being frozen in suspended animation is another consideration. Suspended animation is supposed to slow down the life process by external means without termination. However, if left in suspended animation for too long, the victim could indeed die while in hybernation.
Upon being freed from the carbonite in ROTJ, Han experienced these symptoms: temporary blindness, nausea, and firing nerves upon awakening. This is evidence that Han was encased in carbonite for only a few months. Hence, little time had to have passed between ESB and ROTJ.
It's a Science Fiction/Fantasy process.
For all we know the handsome pirate could have been turned to stone for a hundred years before the daring Princess broke the dark Wizard's spell with her kiss and still suffer the same side effects, he could suffer the same effects after 5 minutes.
Until you can take Carbonite and hibernation sickness into a real world lab any story you want to make up for the time frame could be made to fit.
It could be a hard war which explains why everyone has aged three years in three months or it was three years.
That wasn't the point, Bingowings. My point was to explain that the time span between Empire and Jedi was very short. And 100 years? Com'n, think about it. Do you seriously think Leia would wait 100 years to sneak into Jabba's palace and free Han from the carbonite slap? I don't think so.
And BTW, if you haven't heard about it already, it's call "Cryogenic Freezing." It's a real world method of freezing people in suspended animation for a period of time.
And just because the actors aged three years doesn't mean that the characters did. Case and point: Back to the Future part 1 was made in 1985 while Back to the Future part 2 was made in 1989. So logically, the actor (Michael J. Fox) aged 4 years between films. But since part 2 picks up where part 1 leaves off, the character (Marty McFly) doesn't age at all.
My knowledge about what the heroes of Star Wars were doing is based upon my reading of "Shadows of the Empire," which occurs after Empire and ends right where Jedi begins. It's a really good story, and considered canon material in the Star Wars Universe.
Survived the freezing process, he did. Survive the time being frozen in suspended animation is another consideration. Suspended animation is supposed to slow down the life process by external means without termination. However, if left in suspended animation for too long, the victim could indeed die while in hybernation.
Upon being freed from the carbonite in ROTJ, Han experienced these symptoms: temporary blindness, nausea, and firing nerves upon awakening. This is evidence that Han was encased in carbonite for only a few months. Hence, little time had to have passed between ESB and ROTJ.
ChainsawAsh said:
The crawls of the first three don't match because they were each made three years apart, with many variables such as film stock and optical compositing, which results in crawls that are slightly different sizes and colors (and ROTJ has three periods at the end instead of four, which all 5 other films have - this will also be rectified in my ROTJ).
With digital rendering of the crawls, these inconsistencies disappear - they can be made to be the exact same color and size by modifying an After Effects template (which I'll be creating for myself based on the 1977 pre-ANH crawl). Why the prequels' crawls vary so much is beyond me - there's no reason for it since they were created digitally.
It's not so much that they occur continuously - in my mind, ESB takes place a year or two after ANH, and ROTJ about three years after ESB (implying that Luke trained on Dagobah for a couple weeks to a couple months during ESB, and completed his training over an additional 3 years after ESB). It's more about consistency of the look of the films than the idea that the beginning of one picks up where the ending of the other left off.
I'm also not going to put specific years in my edits - that's the timeframe in my mind, but it's open enough to interpretation that, even with my edits, you can decide for yourself how much time elapses between each film.
From my studies (and not on Wikipedia), The time space between ANH and ESB is 3 years, which is logical since after the Empire forced the Rebels out of their hidden base on Yavin they would need time to find the hidden base on Hoth and set up there. Also, Luke endures a series of events that helps progress his training.
The time span between ESB and ROTJ is only about 1 year or less. Luke spent months, possible half a year on Dagobah, training under Yoda's guidance. Also, the time Han spent frozen in carbonite is logical because he was near death. Had he been frozen for 3 years, he surely would have been dead. I would say the time space between ESB and ROTJ would range between 6 months and 1 year.
ChainsawAsh said:
So it will match with the other two crawls that I will have to recreate. I know the crawls in all six movies don't match perfectly, but dammit, the three in my edits will!
I see. The crawls of all six movies don't exactly match because of their time span and the other stuff that happened during that span.
I'm guessing you trilogy fan-edit will have all three OT films occur continuously, like all three Back the Future films.
ChainsawAsh said:
I'm posting a new clip of about 4 and a half minutes of the Battle of Yavin. My main concern is that the constant switching between Belbucus' restored mono mix and a mono fold-down of Ady's Revisited 5.1 will be too jarring, but since I'm only watching it with laptop speakers, I really can't tell.
Here it is (as of now, it's still processing, though): Battle of Yavin In Progress
I'd like you guys to listen to it using the best audio equipment you can find. Please, please give me an honest opinion, and if possible suggestions for how I can improve the quality of the 5.1/mono mix.
I tried to hide the transitions as best I could underneath laser fire and explosions, and by using audio dissolves. I get the feeling that it works sometimes, but not all the time ...
This project is very near completion - the only things I have left to do:
- Finalize the audio mix
- Create the new crawl
- Create the new end credits
- Figure out how to do the stormtrooper search scene ("Look, sir! Droids!") without keeping the 2 SE shots that I hate so much
- Get a copy of the 2004 DVD, rip the Greedo/Han scene, color correct it, and add subtitles based on the 1977 theatrical positioning/fontAnd that's it.
Just out of curiousity, why create a new crawl when you could just use the crawl from the Unaltered DVD version of Star Wars?
ChainsawAsh said:
Yes, this project is still in the works. It's on hold for the rest of the semester - Editing II is really kicking my ass. I'm working on an all-Spanish short ... and I don't speak Spanish.
And it doesn't really matter to me if other people don't like the alternate ROTJ opening idea, I highly prefer it, which is the whole reason I'm doing this. I'm sharing them because I feel others may be interested as well. I won't, however, be doing any alternate/"purist" editions of ROTJ.
Basically, if you're looking for an ultra-purist Star Wars: Revisited, that's pretty much what my Star Wars edit is. My Empire edit will be the same, but with the new Episode-less opening crawl. If you don't want that, it's not a hard thing to replace - I'll be using the same starfield Ady uses, so you could easily just cut in his crawl. Same goes for Star Wars if you want the Episode IV tag.
Jedi will be an entirely different matter. If someone else made an ultra-purist ROTJ: Revisited, that's cool (but Ady's call, not mine), because I don't foresee ROTJ:R being welcomed by purists, and I don't think Ady will do a purist version. But if that's what you're expecting with my ROTJ because of the way the first two will turn out, I'm warning you now that my ROTJ will go further edit-wise than ROTJ:R, mainly with the restructuring, removal of Boba Fett, and the elimination of the Leia/Luke relationship (and the possibility of new character deaths). If someone makes a purist ROTJ:R and then uses an episode-less crawl to make a "purist" version of my trilogy set, that's cool with me too. But I won't be doing that.
Sorry for the mini-rant, I just wanted to be absolutely clear on this issue.
"They are clear, my master"
bkev said:
My one major ROTJ wish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfHX3mAbyrs&feature=related
Bring back the '97 celebration! No damn kid choir in the Ewok celebration! At least in '97 it was MUCH more subtle and less annoying. No useless prequel reminders! Exclamation points! And, of course, most important, Sebastian Shaw as Anakin.
You mean this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfxdAvBxge8
Hey, is this project still in the works?
I gotta be honest. I don't think many people really like the alternate ROTJ opening sequences.
ChainsawAsh, I present to you the first rough cut of your ROTJ fan-edit intro...
but first, I need to apologize in advance for one thing. Around the 9:43 mark, there is a brief but annoying buzz sound, and then the sound on the rest of video goes out of sync. For the most part of this 10 minute 56 second video, everything else turned out great.
...now without further ado, I present to you the video:
Bingowings said:
Much better but I thought in this take Luke had returned to Dagobah pretty much straight after ESB so perhaps "As Luke Skywalker completes his training on Dagobah" (which trims the final paragraph too).
That would necessitate a slight re-jig of the line about the Alliance (too many 'as's).
Well it was your idea that I change "While Luke Skywalker remains on Dagobah..." to get rid of the extra "remain" in the crawl. Also there is only one "as" in the entire crawl. So the first line of the last paragraph would be "While Luke Skywalker completes his Jedi training on Dagobah..."
Bingowings said:
G E Predator said:
Before I render the video, I want to you show you some re-working on the crawl:
The rebellion stands on the verge
of destruction. The GALACTIC
EMPIRE is secretly constructing
a new armored space station
even more powerful than the first
dreaded Death Star.As the alliance regroups in preparation
for the ultimate offensive against
the evil Empire, Han Solo remains a
prisoner of the vile gangster, Jabba the Hutt.While Luke Skywalker remains
on Dagobah to complete his
Jedi training, a desperate Princess
Leia rallies together an impetuous
plan to save the man that
she loves. . . .All of the changes that I made are in bold. I felt that the third paragraph need some work since it should update the audience on what is going one right now.
Let me know what you think. If it's acceptable, I'll go ahead and render the video.
I'd remove one of the "remains", and "plan to save the man she loves" (which reads more like an advert for chocolate or diamonds than a Star Wars crawl) and change "prisoner" to "captive" (Han isn't in prison but he has been captured).
Okay, how about this?
The rebellion stands on the verge
of destruction. The GALACTIC
EMPIRE is secretly constructing
a new armored space station
even more powerful than the first
dreaded Death Star.
As the alliance regroups in preparation
for the ultimate offensive against
the evil Empire, Han Solo remains a
captive of the vile gangster, Jabba the Hutt.
While Luke Skywalker returns
on Dagobah to complete his
Jedi training, a desperate Princess
Leia rallies together an impetuous
rescue mission on Tatooine. . . . .
Before I render the video, I want to you show you some re-working on the crawl:
The rebellion stands on the verge
of destruction. The GALACTIC
EMPIRE is secretly constructing
a new armored space station
even more powerful than the first
dreaded Death Star.
As the alliance regroups in preparation
for the ultimate offensive against
the evil Empire, Han Solo remains a
prisoner of the vile gangster, Jabba the Hutt.
While Luke Skywalker remains
on Dagobah to complete his
Jedi training, a desperate Princess
Leia rallies together an impetuous
plan to save the man that
she loves. . . .
All of the changes that I made are in bold. I felt that the third paragraph need some work since it should update the audience on what is going one right now.
Let me know what you think. If it's acceptable, I'll go ahead and render the video.
ChainsawAsh said:
My current draft, obviously subject to change:
RETURN OF THE JEDI
The rebellion stands on the brink
of destruction. The GALACTIC
EMPIRE has begun construction
on a new armored space station
even more powerful than the first
dreaded Death Star.As the rebels gather in preparation
for a last-ditch offensive against
the Empire, Han Solo is imprisoned
by the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt,
and Luke Skywalker remains
with Yoda to complete his Jedi
training.Unwilling to await Luke's return any
longer, Princess Leia has rashly cobbled
together a desperate plan to rescue
the man she loves, while the Emperor
sets into motion his own plot that could
spell certain doom for the rebels. . . .
I'm still not 100% happy with it, but that's what I've come up with so far. I won't start work in earnest on ROTJ until SW and ESB are finished (and even that will be a pre-Revisited rough draft), so I've got quite a while to worry about this.
Thanks. I'll whip up a quick crawl with footage from the first part of your edit and have it up on YouTube shortly.
Hello there, ChainsawAsh.
If you're still doing this project, could you PM me you re-write for your ROTJ opening crawl? Otherwise, please disregard this comment.
Gaffer Tape said:G E Predator said:As a kid, I also enjoyed Return of the Jedi. And now that I'm less than four months from turning 28, I still like it. I know that the rescue scene in Jabba's Palace could have gone better, but it's those moments where not everything goes according to plan and the hero's chances of success become slimmer that can really heighten a moment.
Well, there's only one thing here I will choose to talk about it, and I'm sure most people know what it is. There was nothing in the Jabba plan that did not go "according to plan." Everything went exactly as Luke wanted it to. Remember his confident, "I've taken care of everything?" All of the stupid captures and seeming failures were all due to Luke's plan, which is why it was such a ridiculously stupid plan. That is all I wanted to say. ^_^
That's cool ^^
C3PX said:When I was a kid I really enjoyed Return of the Jedi, and thought my older cousin was a retard because he felt it was poorly written and childish. To me this was unbelieveable, I felt Return of the Jedi was one of the greatest films every made, my cousin obviously didn't know what he was talking about! Well, now that I am older and can look at Return of the Jedi with more mature eyes, I can see very clearly that my cousin was absolutely right about that film.
To some of us older guys, it is just impossible to find fart jokes and Jar Jar's antics in the least bit humorous or enjoyable to watch, or to find Anakin's character the least bit heroic or his turn the least bit tragic. The PT is clearly missing a lot of the magic that made the originals loved by so many. Some of us lament the situation, because honestly, a prequel trilogy had a lot of potential, and sadly, that potential was wasted on films with insanely high budgets, but writing, situations, and acting slightly under par for a Disney Channel original movie.
As a kid, I also enjoyed Return of the Jedi. And now that I'm less than four months from turning 28, I still like it. I know that the rescue scene in Jabba's Palace could have gone better, but it's those moments where not everything goes according to plan and the hero's chances of success become slimmer that can really heighten a moment. I believe that Ady understood that while he reworked that Battle of Yavin in ANH:R.
Last I recalled, there was only 1 fart joke in the whole saga, and Jar-Jar's antics were short lived. Both of these were in TPM. And maybe Anakin wasn't as heroic was we might have depicted, but I do agree that the galaxies greatest villain would have started out as a whiny teenager. As for his turn to the dark side, I felt it was very tragic. He sold his soul the devil and ended up loosing everything, all because he want to save his wife from dying. He starts off being motivated by love and attachment, and evolves into lust for domination.
I'm not convinced. Not in the slightest. I stick with my beliefs about GL because I too am a creator. I too have visions, and though they may not be agreeable to some people does not mean that I would have to give in to those peers. Same thing with GL.
So while I can't force you to appreciate Lucas or his recent works, I will not give in and become a basher and a hater. I am a SW fan for the enjoyment of the films, for the fun of playing with the action figures and pretending to be the hero or the villain, and for the inspiration to write me own creative masterpieces.
So, I think it looks good for a teaser. I look forward to Star Tours II in 2011.
Vaderisnothayden said:G E Predator said:C3PX said:G E Predator said:What we see in the official DVD's is what GL envisioned.
Vaderisnothayden already covered this, but yeah, you can't really say that is what Lucas "envisioned". That makes it sound like what we have now was somehow his plan all along, and clearly it wasn't. If he had had the whole thing planned out all along, you can bet things would have been much better thoughtout. Instead we end of with a lot of afterthoughts, convoluted plot points, and massive gaps in the plot. Honestly, I could have forgiven the prequels for a good deal of their awfulness if they actually possessed the ability to go along side the original trilogy to some extent. But it takes an awful lot of over thinking and self delusion to plaster over all the cracks in order to come up with a smooth enough surface to safely walk across without tripping. It is really hard to suspend your disbelief enough to make these fims work, for those that are able to, more power to you, but for some of us it is simply impossible.
Well I'm not in self-delusion, but I have done a lot of thinking about the prequels that helps me see that they do make sense. Maybe they are what GL envisioned. Maybe they're not. I don't know for sure because I'm not GL. What I was implying that there is a difference between hating the films and bashing the artist for making the films. GL did graduate from USC with a BA in fine arts, and he is one of the American film industry's most financially successful independent directors/producers, with an estimated net worth of $3.9 billion. The reason I defend him is because he has more experience in film making that we do. So while we don't have to agree with he vision of the Prequels or his idea about the OT:SE, it is not his fault if we choose not to like them.
It's his fault that he made awful films. There was no need whatsoever to do that. We didn't just come along and dandily say "Well, I think I'll dislike this film, because it'll entertain me to do so." We love Star Wars. We had every reason to want to love these films. But for all that, George made it impossible to love them, because he made them so far out awful. That's his fault.
And they aren't just awful -they also totally crap on the Star Wars story. It's perfectly reasonable for us to be pissed off with him for that. Just like his SE revisions totally crap on the original films. There was every reason to dislike those. And it's his fault that there was every reason to dislike them, because it was George Lucas who made them like that.
With the SE he mutilated the OT, and then there was all this talk from him about how the originals will vanish and all that will be left will be his horrible mutilated versions and sorry you fell in live with a half-finished movie. And the OOT isn't getting restored and can't get a decent dvd release and probably won't be on blu-ray or future formats, so we probably won't be able to watch it on the long term. Between the SE and the PT and the treatment of the OOT, this guy totally destroyed Star Wars. And we have good reason, plenty justification, to be pissed off at him for that.
The prequels don't make sense. I've done a lot of thinking about the prequels too and they don't work and they don't add up.
Lucas's finanicial success is not in any way an argument that he's not responsible for screwing up with the prequels or that he shouldn't be held responsible. The same goes for him having a BA in fine arts, which is a pretty common degree by the way.
So what if he has more experience in filmmaking than we do. That doesn't mean he understands Star Wars better than us. Quite the opposite. The SE changes proved that he doesn't understand Star Wars anymore, as does the nature of the PT. He lost his understanding of Star Wars and screwed up the whole thing and no amount of filmmaking experience absolves him of the guilt for that. He crapped all over a beloved classic. Something beloved of millions should not be destroyed to satsify the whims of one man.
How can you say that he doesn't understand Star Wars more than us? He created Star Wars. It's his artwork. And George did not make it impossible to love them. "Love" and "Hate" are ideal opinions.
C3PX said:G E Predator said:What we see in the official DVD's is what GL envisioned.
Vaderisnothayden already covered this, but yeah, you can't really say that is what Lucas "envisioned". That makes it sound like what we have now was somehow his plan all along, and clearly it wasn't. If he had had the whole thing planned out all along, you can bet things would have been much better thoughtout. Instead we end of with a lot of afterthoughts, convoluted plot points, and massive gaps in the plot. Honestly, I could have forgiven the prequels for a good deal of their awfulness if they actually possessed the ability to go along side the original trilogy to some extent. But it takes an awful lot of over thinking and self delusion to plaster over all the cracks in order to come up with a smooth enough surface to safely walk across without tripping. It is really hard to suspend your disbelief enough to make these fims work, for those that are able to, more power to you, but for some of us it is simply impossible.
Well I'm not in self-delusion, but I have done a lot of thinking about the prequels that helps me see that they do make sense. Maybe they are what GL envisioned. Maybe they're not. I don't know for sure because I'm not GL. What I was implying that there is a difference between hating the films and bashing the artist for making the films. GL did graduate from USC with a BA in fine arts, and he is one of the American film industry's most financially successful independent directors/producers, with an estimated net worth of $3.9 billion. The reason I defend him is because he has more experience in film making that we do. So while we don't have to agree with he vision of the Prequels or his idea about the OT:SE, it is not his fault if we choose not to like them.