FreezingTNT2

DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Do you think Rey’s yellow lightsaber should be removed altogether from the final scene in this franchise? She has truly brought balance to the Force, Darth Sidious and his followers have been destroyed once and for all, the Skywalker bloodline is now extinct (no, Rey doesn’t count as a biological Skywalker), and tyranny has come to an end, so the Jedi have already served their purpose and now no longer have a reason to exist.

I think this is a fair question. If this is suppose to be an ultimate victory, then maybe. If you’re stressing that fascism and tyranny can rise when you least expect it and do-gooders have to remain vigilant, then maybe not.

For me, I hate the idea of an ‘ultimate victory.’ I’d like to hope there’s a deleted scene or something that stresses it isn’t that, otherwise I’m still not sure what to do to convey that idea. I saw a clip with JJ before the movie came out where he said something like the fight against the dark side is a constant struggle, so I was really disappointed with how the film concluded. But the fact that he feels that way does give me some semblance of hope that there’ll be something along those lines in deleted material.

Regarding Ben and Rey’s kiss, I think some people didn’t like it because they felt it wasn’t set up. While I think it was (“I offered you my hand once”), I don’t think it was set up as explicitly as Han/Leia or Anakin/Padmé. Both pairs talk about their feelings explicitly, whereas the Ben/Rey romance could be written off as a special connection. According to leaks, in the deleted scene of Kylo Ren’s confrontation with the Oracle, the Oracle would’ve mentioned his feelings for Rey. Maybe Kylo could be given new dialogue that makes those feelings clearer. I’ll have to go through Driver’s filmography and see what kind of dialogue we have to work with.

I’m of the opinion that the romance was obvious, but they definitely wanted it to be a lingering question until the big kiss. I’d definitely prefer an establishment of the fact earlier, if there is a deleted scene that does that like you say.

You just don’t like it when characters live happily ever after.

Do you think Rey’s yellow lightsaber should be removed altogether from the final scene in this franchise? She has truly brought balance to the Force, Darth Sidious and his followers have been destroyed once and for all, the Skywalker bloodline is now extinct (no, Rey doesn’t count as a biological Skywalker), and tyranny has come to an end, so the Jedi have already served their purpose and now no longer have a reason to exist.

DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

DominicCobb said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

@Hal 9000 Can you remove the voice-overs of Mace Windu and Aayla Secura speaking when Rey fights Darth Sidious? It contradicts previously established lore in the pre-sequel trilogy canon, in which only Obi-Wan, Yoda, Qui-Gon, and Anakin knew how to become Force ghosts.

Here’s a question, how did Anakin know how to become a Force ghost anyway?

Well, this is obviously only a question once the prequels are factored in, as in 1983 one assumed that’s just what Jedi all do. I think the best answer would be that Obi-Wan and Yoda helped him.

Right. If we only consider the OT, then there’s no problem hearing voices of Jedi like Mace Windu. But if we do consider the PT, we are forced to assume that Anakin learned after death how to become a force ghost. Which means someone like Windu could too.

When you die in Star Wars without learning how to become a Force ghost, you irreversably cease to exist. As Hal pointed out, Obi-Wan and Yoda might’ve helped Anakin, except (from what I view) maybe before his death.

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, I don’t know though. If a thousand generations live in her and she’s trying to commune with past Jedi, I guess it’d have to be more than like four guys.

I’m not sure what the canon explanation will end up being, though.

I suppose one of Anakin’s lines could be trimmed thus: “Restore the balance, Rey (, as I once did).”

Given how the sequel trilogy planned out, the only natural interpretation would seem to be that Rey ended up as the chosen one. Given TLJ especially, the prophecy thing is a bit misguided, though its nonfundamentalistic essence can be valid in the sense that anyone could be. One could argue that Anakin failed, though did come to redemption. Luke did likewise in a way. Then, the Force awakened in Rey who went on to embody all the Jedi and decisively destroy the Sith. How could it be otherwise, in hindsight? That’s how religious prophecies tend to go IMHO: they are people groups grappling with their realities, and the details are best taken somewhat loosely.

So, Anakin beckoning her to restore the balance can lend some credence to that. Sort of like how Qui-Gon in LOE encouraging Yoda to “complete what [he] could not” implies that the chosen one remains as potential for the future (Luke, supposedly at that point).

cough There’s voice-over of Ahsoka Tano and she likely died after the originals and before the events of The Rise of Skywalker and that’s more than four… cough

@Hal 9000 Can you remove the voice-overs of Mace Windu and Aayla Secura speaking when Rey fights Darth Sidious? It contradicts previously established lore in the pre-sequel trilogy canon, in which only Obi-Wan, Yoda, Qui-Gon, and Anakin knew how to become Force ghosts.

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Cthulhunicron said:

I need to rewatch this one, but I’m beginning to feel this is the best of the sequel trilogy. I have issues with the film, but I don’t hate it.

To me, I feel like I have the same opinion. The Force Awakens destroyed every single accomplishment in Return of the Jedi, copied the original 1977 movie, and undid Han Solo’s character growth. The Rise of Skywalker not only destroys the meaning of Anakin’s redemption and sacrifice, but also undermines this entire franchise.

The Last Jedi is awful, yes, but at least it tried to continue the story that was told in The Force Awakens, albeit badly. Thus, I consider The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker to be worse movies than The Last Jedi.

Do you think if it is a good idea if you have the opening scene in The Rise of Skywalker where Kylo gets the wayfinder and meets Darth Sidious play in The Last Jedi before we cut to the shot of the Resistance evacuating from D’Qar and the “oh no” scene?

idir_hh said:

The planet that you pan down to after the crawl is D’Qar when it should be Achto.

@Anjohan’s edit for The Force Awakens should end with the Falcon leaving D’Qar (similar to @NeverarGreat’s edit), and then have the edit for The Last Jedi begin with the Falcon in hyperspace (credit to @DigMod).

sade1212 said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwWrmSP65lM

I’ve seen it. Unfortunately it’s not quite well done enough to implement into the film itself since it’s clear that the saber is composed of still images tracked over the original. I’m not entirely sure how I’d hope to improve on that with my own mediocre skills, however.

Why not put a CGI version of Luke’s saber hilt onto Anakin’s saber?

sade1212 said:

Cutting Luke’s lightsaber entirely wouldn’t add anything to the film, but I’ve been tempted to try to VFX it to be his ROTJ saber. I’m torn between the symbolic importance of the blue lightsaber being the same one that he previously rejected, and the fact Luke otherwise seems to be aiming to appear to Kylo as Kylo would remember him. For all of Kylo’s thirteen years of training at Luke’s Jedi temple, his master had a green lightsaber - we know this since Luke uses that same saber in ROTJ and in the TLJ flashback. And yet, when Luke appears to Kylo again and ignites his saber, it’s blue. Surely Kylo would immediately spot something was up, since every other time he’s ever seen Luke ignite his saber, it’s been green. I mean, the audience notices Luke’s saber colour change ESB to ROTJ, right? It’s a glowing laser sword, it’s not subtle. And if Kylo notices Luke’s saber is now blue, he’d probably glance at the hilt, realise it’s the saber that just got split in half, and suspect Luke is up to something. It risks giving the game away and having Kylo realise he’s being played.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwWrmSP65lM

Vladius said:

I wouldn’t say they were on the verge of defeat so much as they were already defeated. They took 99+% casualties and the rest of them could fit comfortably on the Millennium Falcon. Rise of Skywalker effectively ignores this and fills out their numbers without explanation, presumably with new recruits. But would a secondhand story about Luke really do all that much for the propaganda effort?

What makes him a symbol of hope? He came way too late, he didn’t even let them know that he was letting them escape, and they’re all going to think that he lost (which he kind of did because he died.) The reason Leia was seeking him out in TFA is so he could train new Jedi; that was the reason both sides were after him and the reason he would inspire hope. That never happened.

Immediately refuted by the opening crawl of The Last Jedi mentioning this: “Only General Leia Organa’s band of RESISTANCE fighters stand against the rising tyranny, certain that Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will return and restore a spark of hope to the fight.”

Snoke’s character and dialogue will be largely rewritten by dubbing his audio in an alien language, accompanied by new subtitles. He will be reframed from the outset as an intermediary for Sidious, a straightforward dark-side disciple who did not train Ren, & whose origins and abilities are not important (it’s easy enough to imagine he played a role similar to the purple-robed advisers we see in ROTJ). His new dialogue will also be a tool for enforcing some of the other changes to the story.

Why not just cut up audio clips of Snoke speaking and re-arrange them to make new dialogue, like how the “Despacito 2” parody video remixed existing audio clips from Despacito? (Yeah, I know that it’d sound a little choppy and sometimes robotic, but at least it’d be close to what Snoke’s voice sounds like)

Vladius said:

While I like the idea of Luke’s final moments actually accomplishing something, the idea that he’s an inspiration to everyone because of Crait never made sense to me. He’s inspiring like a dozen remaining members of the Resistance that are already die hard fighters and believers in the Jedi, they barely see him in action from a mile away, as far as they know he got killed by Kylo Ren, and he didn’t actually train Rey at all. Where is the inspiration coming from?

A symbol of hope arriving to confront the bad guys and to allow our heroes that were on the verge of defeat to escape.

RogueLeader said:

What? It’s a practical effect, he is on set?

I mean as in more realistic-looking, as if he is an actual creature and not a puppet. There’s nothing inherently wrong with practical effects, but sometimes they do look a little man-made rather than realistic, in terms of movements and surface (e.g. Yoda in The Empire Strikes Back).

Here is a suggestion: can you edit Jabba the Hutt to make him look less like a puppet/practical effect and more like as if he was actually on set?

Do you think Luke using a lightsaber on Crait should be removed altogether, to help sell the idea that he is not willing to fight Kylo and his troops? (He can still dodge Kylo’s attacks, though.)

Hal 9000 said:

I’m encoding V3 right now. I still need to adjust subtitles and chapters to match, but here’s the cutlist:

What’s new compared to V2:

• Removed the silly mugshot of Hux after commenting on Poe’s X-wing approach
• Removed Luke’s quip about Jakku being “pretty much nowhere” (the new movies are somewhat snarky in ways the OT never was IMHO, and so I’d rather keep Luke away from that - humor, but not gags)
• Removed Rose responding to Finn’s “MTFBWY” with “you too.”
• Reinstated Rose repeating “…they can track us through lightspeed.”
• Tighten up Finn and Rose’s reaction to Maz’s “Oh yes, he can” for better timing
• Reinstate a trimmed version of the balcony scene overlooking kids and horses being beaten on Canto Bight
• Reinstate Rey asking Kylo Ren if he has a cowl to put on
• Add Emperor laughing as Luke looks into Kylo’s mind during the third and final flashback
• Remove Snoke’s line about “destroying the entire island” due to removal of Caretakers
• I’m leaving out the line about Rey’s parents being buried on Jakku (not a new change, just pointing it out)
• Removed Finn’s fight with Phasma by using what poppasketti did, which now includes a brief visual of Phasma’s corpse laying around to help sell the idea
• Reinstate Finn’s line about “miniaturized Death Star tech,” as it unfortunately ties into IX.
• Removed slow-motion shot as Luke dodges a swipe from Kylo during their duel

I have some suggestions:

• Replace the rest of the end credits music with Darth Sidious’ speech from Fortnite, and then put the audio clip of him cackling after the credits are over and just before the Lucasfilm logo is shown.
• Insert Han Solo’s “Ben!” from The Force Awakens into when Luke is reading Ben’s mind.

DZ-330 said:

Some changes for a potential V3:

From Hal 9000’s V3:

• Add Emperor laughing as Luke looks into Kylo’s mind during the third and final flashback

• Remove Snoke’s line about “destroying the entire island” due to removal of Caretakers

• Reinstate Finn’s line about “miniaturized Death Star tech,” as it unfortunately ties into IX.

• Removed slow-motion shot as Luke dodges a swipe from Kylo during their duel

Other Changes:

• Add Rey seeing a flash of Palpatine to her mirror vision?

• Remove mentions of Rey being “Nobody” and her parents death during Kylo’s speech.

• Remove Leia saying that she knows her son is gone, since in IX she still believes he can be turned.

• Find some way to include Palpatine at the end to give us something to be excited for IX about. The scene could be placed between the Falcon in Hyperspace and Broom Boi.

I have an idea: replace the rest of the end credits music with Darth Sidious’ speech from Fortnite, and then put the audio clip of him cackling after the credits are over and just before the Lucasfilm logo plays.

I don’t mind DNR. Film grain is annoying when you watch an old film on an HD or 4K TV, and it obscures a lot of detail, such as the skin on some characters and some objects in the background. Plus, I don’t want to have to be reminded that I’m watching something that isn’t really happening, I want to watch something that feels as if you’re seeing a real event with your own eyes.

Sure, DNR has its flaws, like how it makes the image quality a little muddy and blurry, but it’s better than having to see these little specks while watching an old movie on an HD or 4K TV all the time.

ziggyonice said:

poppasketti said:

Another option, as many have said, is to plant the seed at the end of TLJ. One thought I had is that so much is made of the Resistance sending out a signal for help, and no one answering. It’s reinforced again in TROS. What if they did get an answer, from Palpatine? The radio crackles, and maybe we just hear his iconic laugh. Just a tease at the end to build up anticipation for TROS.

I know I’m late to this convo but that sounds incredible.

The one thing I wished we saw more of was a connection between TLJ and TROS. Bridging those two films together would have helped things immensely.

I wish there was some way to go as far as Rey’s parental reveal happening in TLJ, but I don’t know how it would work.

Why not have a mention in the opening crawl that Luke’s actions on Crait has ignited a spark of hope throughout the galaxy? Or have a mention that many of the ships were inspired by Luke’s actions to help Lando and the Resistance in the final battle against Darth Sidious’ forces?

Anakin Starkiller said:

That sounds dumb. Besides, she’s already a SW character.

Yeah, I know, but it’s just an idea I came up with just for fun.

sade1212 said:

Why?

I don’t know. Just for fun.

Hal 9000 said:

My biggest overall disappointment with the sequel trilogy is probably that it chose, perhaps not all at once, to pattern itself after the originals to the point that it retells the Empire vs Rebels story almost to a tee. It ends in essentially the same place as does ROTJ, feeling like it recapitulate the story rather than truly continuing it.

The most satisfying part for me has been Luke’s journey from traumatized recluse to revivified Jedi Master ready to nonviolently kick ass. It was a gift horse I looked in the mouth, but has been worth being patient for myself to appreciate. This is the diamond in the rough, woven into the soil of the retread that TFA set in motion.

And that’s why bringing back Darth Sidious destroys Anakin’s sacrifice and redemption in Return of the Jedi.

Has anyone tried deepfaking Billie Lourd (Carrie Fisher’s daughter) onto Leia’s face?