FreezingTNT2

idir_hh said:

I think for the average viewer it would be too long and confusing, maybe using quick flashes of the the saber’s history like Anakin screaming in the lava and younglings being killed, Luke’s temple burning ending with the island would be a more concrete illustration of why Rey fears taking up the weapon at the same time forshadowing the future.

That would be extremely jarring, especially since each trilogy has their own look and visuals.

ChainsawAsh said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

RogueLeader said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

I know nobody seemingly talks about this, but there are some scenes that are slowed down (pacing-wise) by lines that tell the viewer how they should react when they already know how they’re supposed to react in said scenes, notably the opening scene where Billie Lourd says “oh no” when a First Order fleet arrives above the atmosphere of the Resistance’s planet.

You really don’t like that line, do you?

Of course I don’t. It slows down the pacing of the movie, and it is also pointless given that we already know that it is an “oh no.”

And let me guess, you’ve read my comments on Poppasketti and Hal 9000’s respective edits? ',:I

I don’t see how a 2 second reaction from a character slows down the pacing in any measurable way.

Plus, as I said above, seeing a character react to something isn’t telling the audience how to react, nor is it pointless.

Her emotions were conveyed visually on-screen (before the line), so there was no need to have her say “Oh no.” Plus, the viewers can just react to the “boom” sound for themselves, making the line even more pointless.

What I mean by “it slows down the scene” is that the scene literally pauses just to have a girl say “oh no”, when we can just skip straight from the “boom” sound to the shot of her seeing a First Order fleet arrive above the atmosphere of D’Qar.

RogueLeader said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

I know nobody seemingly talks about this, but there are some scenes that are slowed down (pacing-wise) by lines that tell the viewer how they should react when they already know how they’re supposed to react in said scenes, notably the opening scene where Billie Lourd says “oh no” when a First Order fleet arrives above the atmosphere of the Resistance’s planet.

You really don’t like that line, do you?

Of course I don’t. It slows down the pacing of the movie, and it is also pointless given that we already know that it is an “oh no.”

And let me guess, you’ve read my comments on Poppasketti and Hal 9000’s respective edits? ',:I

I know nobody seemingly talks about this, but there are some scenes that are slowed down (pacing-wise) by lines that tell the viewer how they should react when they already know how they’re supposed to react in said scenes, notably the opening scene where Billie Lourd says “oh no” when a First Order fleet arrives above the atmosphere of the Resistance’s planet.

Petrovelly said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

@Petrovelly I know you won’t make a full edit, but do you plan on cleaning up the grain and “blurriness” in future Remastered scenes?

What do you mean by ‘blurriness’?

Even if the grain isn’t that noticeable, it results in some shots being a little “blurry” at times, especially in comparsion to Rogue One and the sequel trilogy films. 😉

@Petrovelly I know you won’t make a full edit, but do you plan on cleaning up the grain and “blurriness” in future Remastered scenes?

Just a point, the title is really similar to my upcoming 3-in-1 prequel fanedit.

ChainsawAsh said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Just a point, film grain is distracting and takes you out of the experience, regardless if it’s natural or artificial. Sure, the CGI backgrounds are obviously CGI, but why not make them a bit “blurry” (but not too much) to make them feel less fake?

Counterpoint: I disagree with this entirely. Film grain is not distracting and does not take me out of the experience. In fact, it tends to draw me in more.

Obviously it’s possible to go too far to the point where it is distracting, but in general, the lack of any type of film grain will distract me more than its presence.

So you’re saying modern live-action movies look bland, even if there’s no dreadful color filters applied?

oojason said:

Kingj3489 said:

We all knew it was him…

And you didn’t think to let the moderators know?
 

@oojason How did you know JSteven was ForceGhostRecon all along?

ChainsawAsh said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Just a point, film grain is distracting and takes you out of the experience, regardless if it’s natural or artificial. Sure, the CGI backgrounds are obviously CGI, but why not make them a bit “blurry” (but not too much) to make them feel less fake?

Counterpoint: I disagree with this entirely. Film grain is not distracting and does not take me out of the experience. In fact, it tends to draw me in more.

Obviously it’s possible to go too far to the point where it is distracting, but in general, the lack of any type of film grain will distract me more than its presence.

This is what I’m trying to say: some classic films (e.g. the first Harry Potter) do have film grain, but not too much. If you use too much, then it will be distracting. I mean, I wouldn’t want to watch a film while having to stare at so much of these specks on an HD/4K TV. I’d prefer to “blur” the backgrounds a bit, while having the live-action and practical characters themselves not look fake and feel like they belong in the vision of the naked human eye.

Just a point, film grain is distracting and takes you out of the experience, regardless if it’s natural or artificial. Sure, the CGI backgrounds are obviously CGI, but why not make them a bit “blurry” (but not too much) to make them feel less fake?

Anjohan said:

idir_hh said:

I’m not saying you do a bad voice impression of Snoke,I just think its noticeably different and it might be a little jarring for some.

I don’t disagree. I just wanted to know if its passable.

I need more input from people here. If not enough input, or people find it jarring, I simply will remove it. This was an afterthought.

Why not just cut up audio clips of Snoke speaking and re-arrange them to make new dialogue, like how the “Despacito 2” parody video remixed existing audio clips from Despacito? (Yeah, I know that it’d sound a little choppy and sometimes robotic, but at least it’d be close to what Snoke’s voice sounds like)

Anjohan said:

• All the SW films have a saber duel, so I’ve borrowed Snoke’s Guard’s sequence with lightsabers. However, I might give them different colors (perhaps they all have purple instead of red, or two of them with purple and the rest red).

Also Anjohan:

• Luke has his original saber (green) during the Kylo confrontation.

V.I.N.Cent said:

Yep, wasn’t expecting to see spoilers for TROS in the TLJ thread.

Too late now.

Any reason why you did that FreazingTNT2?

Sorry. :’(

4throck said:

The concept art for Bespin had windows (see http://filmsketchr.blogspot.com/2014/12/freeze-your-at-at-off-with-star-wars.html ):

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QwCX6z88f_g/VIH151hoH8I/AAAAAAAAxGo/3E7DSPtWOIo/s1600/besp07.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rQM2ot1J2Ks/VIH18Qkps1I/AAAAAAAAxHk/zWa9O5AbOOA/s1600/besp18.jpg

So on this regard the SE is not adding anything 😉

Yeah, but it still takes away some of the tension and danger, and the symbolism of the Empire closing in onto the Rebels.

If I ever make my own edit of the original trilogy (which will use elements from Adywan’s and JSteven’s edits, clean up the audio to make it sound less like a microphone, clean up the grain so it wouldn’t be distracting, and improve the overall look of the film), I will not use the Special Edition version of the windows on Cloud City in The Empire Strikes Back. Why? The fact that they were originally walls informed us that the Empire was closing in onto the Rebels, and now they took that symbolism away.

OutboundFlight said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

I have an idea for a future PT edit: we will not see the birth of Luke and Leia. In fact, when Obi-Wan returns to the ship after his duel with Anakin, we don’t see a living Padmé at all. The last time we see a living Padmé will be when Anakin Force-chokes her, and we can assume she died after Anakin and Obi-Wan begin their duel. During Anakin’s transformation into Vader, we will not see the childbirth.

We should assume that Padmé died on Mustafar, and that Luke and Leia are just babies whose parents were killed during Order 66. Also, in a future edit for A New Hope, everytime Obi-Wan, Beru, and Owen bring up Luke’s father, they’ll be referring to a different Jedi and not Anakin Skywalker. Also, Luke wouldn’t mention “Skywalker” when he arrives at Leia’s prisoner cell in the Death Star. That way, we can preserve “I am your father” in The Empire Strikes Back without having to make it seem like Anakin and Vader are separate characters.

What do you think? 😃

That might just work! Honestly the biggest flaw in preserving the twist is the OT giving Luke’s name. If you could cut Luke’s line in ANH and redo the Empire crawl to remove his last name, it would actually be a twist.

Even better, cut Padme revealing her pregnancy at all. Maybe the children are conceived a few days before the purge, and Padme survives nine months to give birth? It doesn’t have to be fully explained.

Um… she’d still appear to be pregnant, even when she’s confronting Anakin on Mustafar.

I have an idea for a future PT edit: we will not see the birth of Luke and Leia. In fact, when Obi-Wan returns to the ship after his duel with Anakin, we don’t see a living Padmé at all. The last time we see a living Padmé will be when Anakin Force-chokes her, and we can assume she died after Anakin and Obi-Wan begin their duel. During Anakin’s transformation into Vader, we will not see the childbirth.

We should assume that Padmé died on Mustafar, and that Luke and Leia are just babies whose parents were killed during Order 66. Also, in a future edit for A New Hope, everytime Obi-Wan, Beru, and Owen bring up Luke’s father, they’ll be referring to a different Jedi and not Anakin Skywalker. Also, Luke wouldn’t mention “Skywalker” when he arrives at Leia’s prisoner cell in the Death Star. That way, we can preserve “I am your father” in The Empire Strikes Back without having to make it seem like Anakin and Vader are separate characters.

What do you think? 😃

I have an idea for a future PT version: we will not see the birth of Luke and Leia in a “chronological cut” (a version of the film that is part of a “chronological” series of cuts for the first six films that can be watchable in chronological order). In fact, when Obi-Wan returns to the ship after his duel with Anakin, we don’t see a living Padmé at all. The last time we see a living Padmé will be when Anakin Force-chokes her, and we can assume she died after Anakin and Obi-Wan begin their duel. During Anakin’s transformation into Vader, we will not see the childbirth.

We should assume that Padmé died on Mustafar, and that Luke and Leia are just babies whose parents were killed during Order 66. Also, in a “chronological cut” for A New Hope, everytime Obi-Wan, Beru, and Owen bring up Luke’s father, they’ll be referring to a different Jedi and not Anakin Skywalker. Also, Luke wouldn’t mention “Skywalker” when he arrives at Leia’s prisoner cell in the Death Star. That way, we can preserve “I am your father” in The Empire Strikes Back without having to make it seem like Anakin and Vader are separate characters.

RogueLeader said:

Those are great ideas! Honestly it would be nice to call Benecio’s character “The Codebreaker” rather than just DJ, too. I love your idea for Rose too, because 1) it would help people empathize with Rose more, and 2) we could spend some time on those beautiful streets instead of just speeding by them like in the movie.

I like that idea for Snoke, though I wonder if he’ll get mentioned at all in IX.

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Dat_SW_Guy said:

Speaking of praxis rings on explosions, I made a edit for my new A New Hope fanedit that has a new explosion for Alderaan that doesn’t look “too modern” or “stitched from two seperate explosions” like in the theatrical, and no praxis rings.

https://streamable.com/3m8fb

+1

Do you also plan on improving the matte painting of Alderaan so it wouldn’t look out of place?

TheAlaskanSandman said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

GameStation52 said:

Which specific aliens and droids are you going to change the voices for?

Can you do anything to fix the continuity with Ewan McGregor’s hair and weight in TPM and fake beard in AOTC, or is that too much for you?

In ROTS, when Anakin arrives on Mustafar, and puts his hood on, it looks like they forgot to change Hayden Christensen’s right hand. It’s still fleshy!

I think the digital head replacements for Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid could use some touching up on.

What will you do about Vader’s “Noooooo!”?

At least Jar Jar, Gun-Gun’s, Droids, Waiter in ATOC, Etc.
His hair, probably not. Weight either. That is definitely probably more than i can do. Replacing his hair would involve finding all those right frames some where else. They would need to be lit right and more. It would turn out like trying to replace a lightsaber hilt through out a battle scene. Too many angles to duplicate. You’re not likely to find all the angles you need. Then on top of that they would all have to be blended to match the scene.
Anakin’s hand i can definitely fix.
Which scene for Dooku and Sidious are you referring to?
Vader’s No is going bye bye. In fact, Vader is going bye bye from the prequels. Only way to preserve the narrative of the OT. He will not be named Vader, and you wont see him turn to Vader. Last youll see him is burning on Mustafar.

Does this mean the shot of Vader and Sidious looking at the construction of the Death Star at the end will be removed too?

I would like to improve that shot though. Moff looks terrible imo and the rest of the scene very clean cgi. The idea of keeping it tho but cutting ties to Anakin is so that the mystery in ESB is maintained. The idea behind it to me is that the Emperor is killing Anakin too. No one will ever know that Anakin was Vader, they would just assume Anakin died too. Partly to re-inforce to Anakin that that side of him is dead and he is only Vader now.

The biggest thing im not wholly sure how to handle is the birth of the twins. Idk if i should just strike Leiah from the scene and Lukes name. Just cut Leiah and keep Luke being named. Move their birth to earlier in the film and try to cut and redo the dream/death of them in his mind. Im not sure how Ady is handling Leiah having known her mother. Should i just cut Padame dying? Maybe try and find a way to do a scene of her alive after Anakins death?

Remove the entire childbirth scene altogether. In fact, remove the scene where Obi-Wan meets Padmé upon arriving back to the ship after his duel with Anakin. The last time we see a living Padmé should be when Anakin Force-chokes her. Since you’re also cutting the scene where Sidious discovers Anakin’s burned body on Mustafar, we should cut from Obi-Wan getting back to the ship to the shot of the ship arriving on Naboo.

As for the twins? We should assume that they’re just babies whose parents died in Order 66. And in A New Hope, everytime Obi-Wan, Owen, and Beru talk about Luke’s father, they should be referring to a different Jedi and not Anakin (that also means Luke shouldn’t say “Skywalker” when he arrives at Leia’s prisoner cell).

(Maybe Anakin can still be shown becoming Vader, as long as you remove Obi-Wan meeting Padmé as he gets back to the ship, as well as the childbirth and any direct mention of Luke and Leia being related to Anakin or Padmé, to keep the reveal of Luke’s father being Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader intact.)

Charles Threepio said:

Do you think I should incorporate this reimagining of Obi-Wan’s final bout with Darth Vader into the Ultimate Edition? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to2SMng4u1k

Nah. It’s great as a fun standalone project, but putting it into the movie would be a bad idea, because it would stick out like a sore thumb. The point of fan edits is that you aren’t supposed to notice that you’re watching a fan edit: the point is that you’re supposed to feel like you’re watching a real movie. I’d just update all the visuals, clean up the grain and noise, color-correct the “pink” skin tones, and also improve the VFX, matte paintings and models throughout the trilogy to be more in line with Rogue One and the sequel trilogy.

I’d change them to be more in-line with the explosions in the sequel trilogy.

TheAlaskanSandman said:

GameStation52 said:

Which specific aliens and droids are you going to change the voices for?

Can you do anything to fix the continuity with Ewan McGregor’s hair and weight in TPM and fake beard in AOTC, or is that too much for you?

In ROTS, when Anakin arrives on Mustafar, and puts his hood on, it looks like they forgot to change Hayden Christensen’s right hand. It’s still fleshy!

I think the digital head replacements for Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid could use some touching up on.

What will you do about Vader’s “Noooooo!”?

At least Jar Jar, Gun-Gun’s, Droids, Waiter in ATOC, Etc.
His hair, probably not. Weight either. That is definitely probably more than i can do. Replacing his hair would involve finding all those right frames some where else. They would need to be lit right and more. It would turn out like trying to replace a lightsaber hilt through out a battle scene. Too many angles to duplicate. You’re not likely to find all the angles you need. Then on top of that they would all have to be blended to match the scene.
Anakin’s hand i can definitely fix.
Which scene for Dooku and Sidious are you referring to?
Vader’s No is going bye bye. In fact, Vader is going bye bye from the prequels. Only way to preserve the narrative of the OT. He will not be named Vader, and you wont see him turn to Vader. Last youll see him is burning on Mustafar.

Does this mean the shot of Vader and Sidious looking at the construction of the Death Star at the end will be removed too?