Skipped a bit through it and it looks gorgeous. Even in this raw state, it completely kills the 2011 BD. Probably every other home video release too, for that matter.
I absolutely can't wait till I can sit down and properly watch this. Thank you so much!
darth_ender said:
It worries me that this is getting so much publicity. What if Disney/LFL shut this down?
This was posted in the group roughly 15 hours ago.
THX was sold off as part of LucasFilm, right? If so, it seems Disney is being uncharacteristically cool about this.
Here's the deal: Matthew Wood said this. The same Matthew Wood who can't tell the surround channels apart, doesn't give a shit about the Force-fanfare and screamed his brain out at a parking lot just so he could get to play Alec Guinness playing a Krayt dragon.
"Mindblowingly awesome" is probably the least fitting description. I don't trust this man.
canofhumdingers said:
The Library of Congress apparently has a pretty good copy of the holiday special. Don't remember what format it's on though.
No. Just no. For the love of all things good and holy. NO.
The Nerd said:
This is what exactly happen on the day when I bought the 2004 Special Editions (it was the day the SE's came out).
I get to the end of Jedi. I think to myself, "Well Shaw will on screen in a few minutes." A few minutes go by. "He's coming. Almost there." I see Anakin and I jump up and yelled "WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!! WHO'S THIS GUY!!!! DID SOMEONE SNEAK THEIR FACE ONTO THE FINAL SE PRINT AS A JOKE TO LUCAS?!?! ... WAIT IT'S THAT HAYDEN DUDE!" I still watch the SE, but it always looks like Hayden is grinning. Shaw was smiling. Was Hayden actually trying to say "Fuck you Shaw, this is my ending!"
Hayden looks like he's eyeing Leia. His face tells a disturbing story of molestation and rape.
So, all in all, he's the icing on the cake. If the icing is made out of blood and bitter tears.
Good for him! I sincerely wish him all the best.
SilverWook said:
Lighting/rehearsal Yoda in happier times...
A totally different stand in Yoda is seen in the making of Empire documentary.
Combined with the likely position of Frank Oz's other hand, Yoda's facial expression here is severely disturbing.
I definitely hope John Williams will be, or has been, approached. I could imagine that he may want to finish off his tenure with Star Wars with something else than the PT scores, which were hacked to pieces and - as far as I know - largely disowned by himself. So it's a no-brainer for me. As long as John Williams wants to compose for "Star Wars", he should.
If Williams is not an option, I'd like to see (hear?) Joel McNeely do the score. His score for Shadows of the Empire was excellent and I'm sure he could score an actual Star Wars film.
Ewan MacGregor. He's quite believable as a younger Sir Alec, and he's arguably the only actor in these films who can deliver Lucas' dialogue and make it sound convincing. His "You were my brother, Anakin! I loved you!"-speech also managed to be more moving than any of the scenes Hayden and Natalie share.
Ian McDiarmid. With reservations, because while he's a great actor, he turns into a cackling idiot in ROTS. When he's good, he's very good, though, and delightfully slimy. Like when he urges Anakin to kill Dooku. Still a far cry from his performance in ROTJ, though.
Darth Maul, if only appearance-wise. He still looks like a badass. Oh, how it seemed the Prequel Trilogy would get a memorable villain, its Darth Vader, so to speak. Until he got slashed in two after five minutes of fighting. Then we got an underused Christopher Lee and a robot with a funny accent and bronchitis instead. Shucks.
Jango Fett's costume. I love the colour scheme. I would've liked to have seen more of this character, though. Should've kept his face secret, though.
"Duel of the Fates", "Battle of the Heroes" and "Padme's Ruminations." Overall, John Williams' scores are not among his best work, and they're not certainly not up to the standards as the ones of the OT. Those three cues are excellent, however. Among the better pieces of the saga. The latter, especially, really caught me off-guard. The scene was also surprisingly good - why didn't we get more of that in the PT?
The "Order 66"-scene. This was the one scene where George showed he still had some skills as a director and editor. This scene has literally brought me to tears at times, and it's obviously not because I sympathise with our wooden couple Anakin and Padmé. It's a great down-to-business scene which is shot and edited wonderfully (it reminds me of Lucas' montage from "The Godfather"), and Williams' delivers a very haunting theme. Again, another scene that really worked. Hey, notice how both of these were wordless?
My first reaction is quite embarassing, cause I don't think I noticed. I had watched the OUT a few times before watching the SE97 in the cinema, but not enough to have a complete grasp of what was changed, except for the even more obvious stuff like the Jabba-scene, "Jedi Rocks", etc.
Of course, it is worth a mention that I was 9 years old back then. Jar Jar could've shot first and I would've been happy anyway - I was watching Star Wars on a big screen! In the subsequent years, as a realised the original scene was kept from us, I obviously grew to realise this change was anything but inconsequential. But my first reaction was one of indifference.
No way! Check out the vibrancy of those crispy '77 colours ;)
Any fans of Simon Pegg in? :)
none said:
Another person chimes in:
Someone else writes:
Asaki wrote:
negative1 said:
if we were REALLY CRAZY, (as if we aren't already),we would get it printed back to 35mm film..
Print it to 16mm and then Puggo can preserve it @_@
...and then someone will video bootleg it.
...and that bootleg will be duplicated by the VHS traders.
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Oh my God, look at those wonderfully saturated 70's hues. What bulb was this projected with?
Well, it's just too cheesy for me. It's pretty much the oldest cliché in the book. Had the film been made in the 50's, it probably wouldn't have been as bad.
Also, it's a dull "no." It doesn't sound like there's any anger or pain in it; it just sounds like Darth Vader has lost one of his contact lenses or something.
Probably mostly marketing hyperbole. Like when everything is "digital" or "high definition" these days. Except that this wasn't coordinated properly, it seems!
To elaborate on the GOUT VS LD, I own the '95 THX LaserDiscs, also known as the "Faces" versions due to the cover layouts (see my avatar.)
I personally chose the LaserDiscs instead of the so-called GOUT DVDs because when I put on a DVD, I have certain anticipations, and GOUT just doesn't live up to them. The films are non-anamorphic, heavily desaturated, suffer from excessive noise reduction and are coated in what appears to be fake grain. Being from the same transfer, the LaserDiscs have the same flaws (apart from the seemingly fake grain), but it's less obvious on account of the picture being softer. If I were to put on the 2006 DVDs, I have this feeling that I would feel cheated, especially considering the prices they're fetching these days on eBay. They're just subpar products for the standard. Putting on the LaserDiscs just makes me feel nostalgic and all fuzzy inside ;)
Bear in mind that I'm not trying to dissuade you from getting the 2006 DVDs. They're definitely still the easiest way to go for a (legal) version of the original trilogy. However, I will say that even though I own an entry level LaserDisc player (Pioneer CLD-S315), these discs are looking way better on my 42" TV than I expected them to. And this is zoomed and cropped, mind you.
Finally, there are indeed some fantastic fan preservations out there, but technically, you are legally obliged to own the source of a preservation in order to download it.
Uh, that's not Brian Cox who played Hannibal Lecktor. That's Brian Cox, the physicist ;) Would love to see your scenario play out, though!
Brooks said:
Maybe deep down Lucas wants us to preserve the originals... there's still good in him, I can feel it!
Either way, he has to realise that our fear for losing the originals led to anger. Anger led to hate. Hate leads to transferring.
msycamore said:
It seems you never got any answer to your question... the sequence wasn't re-cut so either you imagined it or there's a screw up on the LD.
I realised that next time I viewed it, yeah. It wasn't an LD glitch either; it was just me seeing things. Probably because I hadn't watched the OOT regularly in years prior to that viewing. Thanks for your answer, though!
doubleofive said:
In the OT, they were the masters of the Force and that's all they needed. In the PT, Lucas wanted to see them fight because he could.xhonzi said:
Why do you think that Yoda and the Emperor were never implied to have lightsabres in the OT?
Why do you think that changed in the PT?
I agree. I honestly hope Adywan gets rid of the lightsabers for both characters. As has been said by other posters, the lightsaber doesn't really suit Yoda, and Palpatine becomes a cackling moron once he pulls his out.
Something Lucas doesn't seem to understand is that the ambiguity about how they would fight contributed to Yoda and the Emperor being great characters in the OT. Yoda's "do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor" is possibly the most chilling line of ROTJ, cause at that point, the viewer literally knows nothing about the Emperor's powers, except that they're very fearsome.
ChainsawAsh said:
So, he wants to see, what, a picture of "Despecialized" being projected on a screen? Or video of it being projected on a screen?
Why?
Someone mentioned something about watching the 720p clips released by negative1 on a 1080p projector. Perhaps this guy got the two projects mixed up.
These guys have apparently been working on a free adventure game based on SotE for a while. Their sample screenshots look pretty good, actually. Apart from Joel McNeely's fantastic soundtrack, I never really checked out SotE, so I'm kinda looking forward to the release of this.
negative1 has mentioned on more than one occassion that any screengrabs that are posted here might be temporary in terms of colour timing or suffer from compression. Don't worry - I'd say he definitely knows what he's doing.
Besides, as has been mentioned several times here (and other places), the GOUT DVDs can't really be used as accurate references for colour timing. Sure, the crushed blacks (and other issues) of the '04 DVDs and the Blu-rays are over the top, but it's important to note that "Star Wars" wasn't always pretty or consistent. Check out this article for more info on that.
First of all, since I haven't written it before: doubleofive, I love these galleries. You've done a seriously good job, and I can waste hours on end looking at these.
Now for my question... I was watching the '95 LD of SW last night, and I thought something seemed different to what I'm used to from the SE's in the scene where Luke first triggers Leia's hologram. Specifically, the reverse angle of the hologram didn't show up where I expected it to. This shot turned up in its place.
I know the elements were recomposited, but was the sequence re-cut as well, or am I imagining things here? I'm sorry that I don't have any screenshots/clips to back it up with right now, but I do figure most of you would be able to answer this question on a whim.
INv8r_ZIM said:
Doesn't seem like there's any reason to be dicks about it. He didn't suggest totally redoing the shadow to be a better effect; he was just looking at transparency, and using the existing shape of the animation. Given how shit the GOUT is and how low-resolution the available LD rip alternatives are, unless Harmy's got some reference he's posted showing that the shadow was always totally opaque it's not outside the realm of possibility that the shadow element was printed at partial transparency originally. I mean, they knew how to do it a couple of years later, and a black blob is pretty easy to hide optical compositing lines in. YEs, everyone knows what the goal of the project is. Don't be such elitist douches.
At this point, I reckon most followers of this project are tired of coming in here and seeing someone complaining that the colours of Harmy's latest clips/screengrabs are nothing like GOUT or whatever.
No, that's not an excuse for being impolite, but I do think the complexity of the whole OOT/SE-situation demands that people read a little more into things before posting stuff like that.
I mean, it only takes a minute or two on Google to find out that the shadow was always an opaque blob.
