For example, Lor San Tekka could have it, presumably to give to Rey when she is ready
And where would he have gotten it from?
Also Han wasn’t taking Rey to some spaceport, he was taking her to Maz. She is Han’s connection to the Resistance. I don’t remember Han even thinking about any other place to go.
We have no idea what Tekka (I assume that’s the von Sydow character?) was doing on Jakku, he seems to have a history with both Leia and Luke and if Rey is Luke’s daughter, it wouldn’t seem implausible that he is watching over her. The Falcon ending up in the same spot is indeed a stretch.
Regarding the damn lightsaber, it should be obvious that a tiny lightsaber behaves very differently than a huge human body, so it may have passed the whole tunnel to whereever it leads, instead of being dropped like Luke. It’s then not hard to assume that Maz has a special interest to gather Jedi artifacts, given her age and knowledge about Jedi and the Force. She runs a bar that has dozens, if not hundreds, of visitors daily, so over a course of 30 years, she may have stumbled over a lost lightsaber, aquired it and stored it until the time would be right. When Rey came to her, the time obviously was right, so the saber “called out”, or whatever you want to call it, for Rey. That’s basically the Force at work, creating small coincidneces over a long time to get things ready.
The ability to edit a topic’s title is insignificant next to the power of the force.
and he said that his lightsaber got destroyed by Rey
This is the first time I read about someone else noticing this, too. It happens when Rey forces Kylo’s saber into the snow, immediatly after it is deactivated you see something fly away. Really hard to make it out, but most probably, it’s his saber.
I don’t understand how anyone can think it is a shit film no matter the reasoning. Not liking it is something completely different and I’m fine with that.
It’s no different than the PT but in reverse. It’s fine to like them, I just don’t get how anyone can think they’re good films.
I feel ten more pages of subjective vs objctive and film theory lectures coming on…
What I cannot get is your obsessed behaviour and attachment to this film. Other people’s opinions must really hurt you. A sane person would certainly not care that much, or would at least give up by now.
What I cannot get is your obsessed behaviour and attachment to people liking this film. Other people’s opinions must really hurt you. A sane person would certainly not care that much, or would at least give up by now.
Tie them together with a parcel string, that’s much better for the environment.
Good observation. Is this now more or less unreasonable than a certain thing ending in a certain box in a certain movie?
The Ewoks took out at least two walkers on their own, the captured walker did not turn the battle, it just allowed them to win faster.
Just look at Star Wars, Obi-Wan says that luck is basically the force at work, so Luke taking a lucky shot at the Death Star is due to the force. The force interfering one time when it really matters seems plausible, the force constantly boosting the fighting skills of a whole group stretches it too far, at least for me.
However, I am not saying that Jedi “doesn’t feel like Star Wars”, that it doesn’t “belong in the canon” or that it is “shit”.
The Force can be with groups and individuals who haven’t trained before. Luke and Leia had been with the Ewoks, and their thoughts might have been a catalyst for the Force to be in their presence. Also, the Endor fight concerned the Force on both sides, so there could have been a heavy Force presence in general.
The Force being catalized by Luke didn’t help Biggs, Porkins and the other pilots who got shot down over the Death Star. In Star Wars, we see the Rebels suffer heavy losses until one pilot, who is strong in the Force, manages to land one crucial shot. In Jedi, there are dozens of Ewoks, who are fighting for a long time and apparently have the force, as they have virtually no losses. Chewie stealing the Walker was only necessary to get the Imperials to open the bunker doors, not to turn the fight against the troops that were already outside.
An army of Force sensitive Ewoks? Did Luke train them afterwards? Did he give them lightsabers?
Is this the place where I can get a myspleen invite?
Just follow these instructions.
So the lightsaber being found on Bespin and then sold, going from one owner to another until someone close to the Jedi acquires it is too far fetched? It going from Bespin to Jakku without anyone being interested in it at all would be an even bigger plot convienence than anything in the actual movie.
Maz even says right in your face that this is a story for another time. Could they even be more obvious about it being explained in a future movie or book or other canonical media? If you really care that much about it, you surely wouldn’t mind reading a bit into the new lore.
Your definition of plot is so general that it doesn’t say anything about the actual movie at all.
Only if this tunnel’s intention is to throw everything out that enters it. Luke is thrown out in the middle of the tunnel, so we don’t know where it leads and if the lightsaber couldn’t have gone all the way through it and not be thrown out.
Of course there is an intention to throw things out. First of all, there was a mechanism that sucked Luke sideways (I guess to prevent stuff falling into some machinery further down the big vertical shaft). Secondly, the hatch inside the small side tunnel opened when it detected Luke and threw him into another tunnel with a direct vertical opening toward the planet centre. The intention of the system is pretty obvious.
If the tunnels intention was to throw everything out, why didn’t it end at the bottom of Cloud City? Why was it necessary to have another tunnel in the wall that opens conditionally? We don’t even know what triggered the hatch to open, was it Luke’s weight or was it just bad timing (just like it was bad timing that the trash compactor starts with our heros inside)?
I assume you arent an engineer. As I said, the big main shaft could have some function in making the whole city float or stabilised in orbit. You dont want any objects to hit whatever machinery is below, hence smaller side tunnels are there to suck any garbage and divert it.
You assume things to be exactly this specific way to make it implausible, while they could just as well be completely different and allow it to happen. You don’t know anything about the tunnel, stop pulling stuff out of your behind.
If the tunnels intention was to throw everything out, why didn’t it end at the bottom of Cloud City? Why was it necessary to have another tunnel in the wall that opens conditionally? We don’t even know what triggered the hatch to open, was it Luke’s weight or was it just bad timing (just like it was bad timing that the trash compactor starts with our heros inside)?
A lot of discussion to skirt around the obvious: That Maz having Luke’s original lightsaber is silly.
Why? Because it’s not explained in every detail while the First Order launches an attack?
A flashback with scenes from various Harrison Ford movies.
Only if this tunnel’s intention is to throw everything out that enters it. Luke is thrown out in the middle of the tunnel, so we don’t know where it leads and if the lightsaber couldn’t have gone all the way through it and not be thrown out.
Of course there is an intention to throw things out. First of all, there was a mechanism that sucked Luke sideways (I guess to prevent stuff falling into some machinery further down the big vertical shaft). Secondly, the hatch inside the small side tunnel opened when it detected Luke and threw him into another tunnel with a direct vertical opening toward the planet centre. The intention of the system is pretty obvious.
If the tunnels intention was to throw everything out, why didn’t it end at the bottom of Cloud City? Why was it necessary to have another tunnel in the wall that opens conditionally? We don’t even know what triggered the hatch to open, was it Luke’s weight or was it just bad timing (just like it was bad timing that the trash compactor starts with our heros inside)?
Also look at the execution of the plot on screen. Do you really want to compare the original Death Star attack with Starkiller assault side-by-side? Same plot elements can get boring AND pale in quality to the original.
Did you really expect to get something equally intriguing as the original Star Wars? Yes, Starkiller Base is probably TFA’s greatest weakness, but did you seriously expect to see something surpass the one and only original? TFA is a modern blockbuster movie and in comparison to other recent blockbuster movies it does fairly well. Do you think it’s even possible to create a unified coherent saga consisting of movies shot in 3 intervals over a course of 40 years?
Only if this tunnel’s intention is to throw everything out that enters it. Luke is thrown out in the middle of the tunnel, so we don’t know where it leads and if the lightsaber couldn’t have gone all the way through it and not be thrown out.
ANH the older mentor is intercepted by the masked lead villain
TFA the masked lead villain is intercepted by the older mentor
At least tell it the right way.
If we only had a lightsaber reaction shot like in the prequels to clarify this situation, ESB is such a stupid movie, we’re not explained at all what’s going on.
Well, even adjusted for inflation, TFA has by far overtaken AOTC and ROTS and is only slightly behind TPM, which had 15 years and a rerelease in 3D. And yes, you can’t always measure quality by profit, but it’s usually a rather good indication.
Jurassic world did well, that’s a great film…
Jurassic World did what it wanted to achieve, presenting a visual spectacle. TFA did what it wanted to achieve, going back to the roots of Star Wars. After fans have been shouting “give us more like the OT” for 15 years, that doesn’t come unexpected. Death Star 3 may have been a bit too much going in that direction, but it’s still a fun movie.
You can’t say that TFN’s story (or plot or whatever you want to call it) is bad because it’s too close to the story of Star Wars, since the story of Star Wars is just great. You can say that you don’t like the movie because it is not original enough, but that doesn’t affect the quality of the story. TFA didn’t ruin the force with midichlorians or bored it’s audience with political talk and shot-reverse-shot-while sitting-on-a-sofa-scenes. It didn’t have idiotic cameos of Greedo’s cousin or the ice cream maker guy, there was no retconning of OT events. So how is that a “royal fuck up”?
Well, even adjusted for inflation, TFA has by far overtaken AOTC and ROTS and is only slightly behind TPM, which had 15 years and a rerelease in 3D. And yes, you can’t always measure quality by profit, but it’s usually a rather good indication.
The fundamental flaw with tfa is that it was rushed. From the moment Disney purchased I bet the pressure was on to get a film out ASAP and it shows.
I don’t think that was the main cause. I think they had to make something that would work for sure since it was their first product. The played it safe, went with proven concepts and rehashed stuff from OT. Actually, I expect more from stand-alone films since they will be able to experiment more. We will see.
And some how even though they had a blue print of how to make a good film, they still managed to fuck it up royally
So the blue print how to make a good movie is the OT? And they “fucked it up royally” by following the plot of Star Wars too closely? I know it has been said before, but I say it again: You don’t make any sense at all.
And how is 1.5 billion $ in 3 weeks a “royal fuck up”?