Frank your Majesty

You compare Kylo at the beginning of the movie to Kylo at the end of the movie and ignore every instance in between where his flaws, weaknesses and errors are progressively shown. On Jakku he acts badass, but not much later we see him struggle with the light side; he captures Rey, but fails to get the map out of her; then she even escapes, the resistance attacks and his father shows up, things get worse and worse for Kylo and in the end he has a lightsabre battle while emotionally and physically wounded. There clearly is a progression.

Bosk said:

Why is there so much emphasis on returning his lost sabre? She holds it out to him for what seems like ages at the end.

Frank your Majesty said:

Offering the sabre to him is only a gesture.

It was never about returning the sabre to Luke, it was about finding Luke. Had they never found the sabre, they still would have tried to get the map and follow it to his exile. Offering the sabre to him is only a gesture.

Bosk said:

Even the shitty prequels showed Younglings practicing with sabres

That’s one of the reasons why they are shitty. Therefore, they shouldn’t be taken into account, as they contradict the OT.

It is in the movie to have a lightsabre fight, because that’s a popular thing in Star Wars, it’s there for a completely out-of-movie reason. However, the film’s internal logic doesn’t require Jedi to have lightsabres (which may be the number one reason why Kylo could easily wipe out Luke’s academy). Since there is an external reason to have a lightsabre, it is in the movie and the characters have to react to it, so they use it.

Alone the implication that you need a light sabre to train Jedi shows how little you understand about the force.

Oh no, is this a thing now?

Bosk said:

How did Luke train Jedi without a light sabre?

How did Yoda train Luke without a light sabre?

TV’s Frink said:

This forum needs an upvote system so we can avoid the +6 post.

+1

The bad guy is a badass without any weakness? What a rip-off of Vader!!!
The villain wins the light saber battel? What a bland copy of ANH!!!

7sevensevn said:

Why do I watch the movies on my iPad?

FTFY

Upgrading to jdownloader2 did the trick for me.

Smoking Lizard said:

Certainly anything is possible. If Abrams would have cooked up a thing where Chewbacca turned out to be Ren’s true father because the midichlorians modified Chewbacca’s wookie sperm to be compatible with a human egg …

Can you for once please come up with an analogy that doesn’t include feces or other bodily fluids in your rebuttals?

(Hehehe, rebuttal; hehehe analogy)

Yeah, just imagine we would need to ignore people by just not constantly responding to them, unthinkable!

emanswfan said:

there’s still at least 4 new memorable themes that come to my mind: Kylo Ren/First Order, Rey, Resistance March, and Jedi Steps, all of which I really enjoy.

And that’s just as many memorable themes as I can list from from Empire: Imperial march, asteroid field, battle of Hoth, Yoda. And apart from the Emperor’s theme, what memorable music is in Jedi (and don’t say Jedi rocks 😉), what have the prequels other than duel of the fates, the trade federation march, love across the stars and battle of heroes?

Wow, suddenly after 30 years he believes in the force, amazing how fast he changes his mind. He catches on pretty quick.

Kylo is part of the knights of Ren, we see them all wearing masks in the force vision scene, so him wearing a mask may be related to that. Or it’s becaue of his worship of Vader, which makes sense as him being Kylo’s very powerful grandfather.
We saw Luke for only a few seconds, I’m sure the next episode will show a bit more of this island and what Luke has been doing there.

Are you asking these questions for real or would I be wasting my time to answer to them?

Alderaan said:

I don’t think the OOT will be released until the next decade, sometime after May 2020. Disney will wait until all of Fox’s distribution rights expire on the other movies, and they will simultaneously wait until the ST is over and dies down.

For me, this wouldn’t make sense. The distribution rights for Star Wars won’t go back to Disney, only for Empire and Jedi. If Disney wanted to piss off Fox by not sharing the money for the last two movies, why wouldn’t Fox simply prevent them from releasing Star Wars altogether? How could Disney release an OOT without the first movie?

SilverWook said:

Did he like your pancakes?

I don’t know, suddenly the kitchen was in chaos and I had to deal with other things, so I didn’t see his reaction.

Two nights ago, I dreamed of making pancakes for George Lucas…

csd79 said:

if there is a new Republic now, how the First Order and the Resistance came to be

We don’t know where the galactic empire and the rebel alliance come from at the beginning of Star Wars, either.

Bosk said:

The fact that he’s called ‘Captain’ solo denotes he is part of some kind of hierarchical structure.

Like Captain Jack Sparrow?

There is no “crystal clear” evidence. Unless Han explicitely states in the movie “I am part of the rebel alliance”, there is room for interpretation. Just accept that other people might interpret the same thing in another way, instead of keeping up this fruitless discussion. At this point, all arguments have been made for and against it.

imperialscum said:

One simply don’t hang up with rebels on an ice planet performing patrols for fun. Hanging around with rebels is not like being in a social club. You don’t simply associate yourself with people who are being perceived by the Empire as worst-than-criminals just to hang around with “friends”.

Where is that stated in the script? Isn’t this also just an interpretation based on your impression? Or is your impression above everyone else’s?