My friend confirmed the 2011 changes.
That still doesn’t confirm that it wasn’t a 2k dcp from the new 4k master. Tack said last summer that the roadshow had all the same changes as the 2011 version but that everything else looked different in terms of color/contrast/grain.
God, would the Blu-rays even hold up being projected in a theater?
From what we’ve heard of the marathon I-VI multiplex screenings the day before TFA was released, the lowry master most definitely doesn’t hold up when projected onto a large movie theater screen.
The idea that single unique negative for a film exists that has been forever altered is ridiculous to begin with, but the suggestion that digital effects and alterations done were “permanent” is more so. Lucas and his BS was always this way. Maybe he even believes it, since he came out with this line with talking about THX-1138 a few years after, but y’know the guy is missing a few marbles.
The original version of THX-1138 really should be restored since George altered it so much with cgi. I wonder if he’ll have that one remastered in 4k as well. Lowry handled the existing transfer (the dvd was released in 2004 the very same week as the OT IIRC).
American Graffiti’s original version should be preserved if for no other reason than its historical significance.
Unfortunately, not enough people really remember THX enough to care about getting the original version (not the way people care about the unaltered Star Wars at any rate), and the alterations to Graffiti aren’t blatantly cgi-based so most people probably consider it “close enough” if they even know it’s been altered at all.
My friend who is a projectionist talked to the projectionist at Celebration for us:
https://twitter.com/mumbles3k/status/853102458909978624
Spoke to the projectionist at #SWCO and confirmed that these are the same 2K DCPs used for the OT Blu-rays. No 4K (except for Rogue One).
I seriously question just how confidently the Orlando projectionist can actually state which master the dcp is derived from.
Again, let’s not forget Tack’s report on one of the roadshow screenings last summer. I’d be more interested in how the image actually looks in terms of color, contrast, grain, et cetera.
Also, the 2004 masters (the same ones used for the blu-ray) weren’t even done at full 2k resolution. They’re 1920x1080 hd. The Lowry guys were very specific about that during a press conference for the dvd way back in '04.
Anyway, I wonder if we can find out from an attendee in Orlando how the picture actually looks. Of course it would have to be someone who actually knows all the color timing quirks of the '04 master like we do, and I doubt there are many fans there who do.
Empire and Jedi are tonight.
The sad thing is if they are waiting til 2020 then they missed an opportunity to at least release the original ANH for the 40th anniversary. Waiting til 2020 isn’t gonna make a difference with that film.
They were never, ever going to release an unaltered restoration of ANH without doing the same for ESB and RotJ and releasing them all on the same day.
SwissArmyTin said:
The only reason you found the OP “ironic” is because they held a view contrary to yours, and you picked on them.Your imaginary conversation skills are on display once again. I quoted Fang Zei and laughed at his comment. I didn’t even address the OP before you started in. In fact, I presume you are supposedly on this site out of an interest in preserving the original trilogy, and yet the moment a prequel troll made an aggressive comment towards me, you saw that as your cue to jump into another thread and try and take another shot at a person you dislike.
This is something that 4 or 5 of you do on a regular basis to several posters.
If there were a way to preserve an original 2002 dcp of AotC then obviously I’d be in favor of that, but there isn’t.
A 35mm print would be the best available reference for how this movie looked theatrically, hence my comment.
This is exactly why we need a 35mm preservation of AotC.
Yeah, I think even the people who liked certain things about the SE are sick of all the pointless alterations and would actually prefer the original versions.
That’s going to be an issue for Disney when they eventually release I-VI on 4k and the mostly older consumer base for the format decide they really don’t care to see Star Wars yet again, even in 4k with hdr, unless they can watch the original versions that way as well.
My theory has always been that both of those movies are from the early days of digital intermediate and for whatever reason translated horribly to their retimings on blu-ray a decade later.
To add to what crissrudd is saying, I feel like waiting another three years has other advantages for Lucasfilm aside from just the rights issue.
Some people are only just now getting around to buying the 2011 set. I honestly feel like we weren’t going to see a major reissue with actual new content until the time came to put the movies out on the next format. We’re only a year into 4k discs being a thing, and Star Wars has taken a long while to hit each new format.
To me, this is yet another sign pointing to 2020.
DominicCobb said:
Well I suppose when you consider how incredibly massive the number of Star Wars fans there are they might be a minority, but yeah I’d say it’s still fairly sizable. Sure I doubt most are unaware of the alternatives and have no problem sucking up the SEs (though Harmy’s work has gained some decent notoriety through the web), but I’m sure a great many would be willing to fork over cash if the original versions were presented.Oh I’m sure plenty of people would buy it. They would turn a profit. But when compared to all the other things they could focus on instead? It’s chump change. So they have to weigh the value of that change against:
- Pissing on George while he’s still alive, which I didn’t think was a problem but apparently might be after all now that they seem to have kissed and made up
- Not maximizing the profits from it due to the extra money they could make if they waited until they are the sole owners and distributors of all but ANH
- Distracting resources and marketing attention from their own new films
So if I had to predict? It will either come out around 2020 as a tie-in to the newly completed sequel trilogy, likely again treated as bonus material, or it won’t come out until George is pushing daisies.
Whatever the case, it’s pretty clear now that it’s not coming this year.
Well, I still wouldn’t completely rule out a release happening this year (The GOUT was announced in early/mid May for a September release, and the bd has been reissued every two years since 2011 which means we’re potentially due for another release of some kind this year). Hell, even after hearing that George was showing up I still didn’t rule out an announcement with him in the room! We’ve known for three whole years now that there’s been a 4k remaster of his preferred version, which to me means he literally has no reason to care anymore. John Landis’ story would seem to support this.
The only reasons I can think of are, as stated:
-apathy
-misplaced sense of loyalty to George from Kennedy and the people at Fox… even though George doesn’t care anymore
-Disney wanting to maximize their profits by waiting until 2020
That is simply how I see it. After 2020 they are out of excuses.
Okay, then I guess the only connection to TPM would be knowing his name is Palpatine. I knew that as well, but from the Essential Guide to Characters (unless the Glove of Darth Vader books had already brought that up but I can’t remember now if he’s actually referred to by name in that series).
It was in the books that accompanied their releases. And so was the name Palpatine. I have the original novel that came out sometime in 77 and in the prologue it talks about
Palpatine (by name) being the emperor and Sith Lord, so if you read that you already knew who the emperor was in TPM
I’ve had in my possession for years now a used copy of what I’m fairly certain is the very first printing of the Star Wars novelization and I’ve never gotten around to actually reading it. Is Palpatine actually referred to as a Sith? I thought that word was only used in reference to Darth Vader.
It’s astounding that a line about a sith Lord being sent by the emperor was never thrown back into any of the Special Editions.
That was my first thought as well. Due to the quality, it’s hard to tell if this is the actual dialogue from the movie (obviously, I don’t mean Vader), but most of the film was redubbed/ADR’ed, so I’m not sure. It’s possible that the line doesn’t exist in good enough form.
It also seems that much of the unused film had not been combed through until Gareth recently started hunting for things, so it’s possible this was under the radar for years?
Well, there was that user on the blu-ray.com forums who claimed Disney is currently in the process of scanning in every last piece of Star Wars related film material.
That may very well have been how those unused takes were brought to Edwards’ attention.
So, are we allowed to go crazy over the upcoming TLJ panel / trailer here? Or should that stay in the spoiler thread?
This thread was started pretty much solely because of the OOT rumors. Anything TLJ-related should probably stay in that thread. I know many people don’t consider stuff shown in officially-releasd trailers to be spoilers, but some still do. It’s best to err on the side of caution.
As I have already said, the simple thing is that OOT release is just not profitable enough for them to care. While it might bring millions, that is still a change compared to billions they are making with other stuff.
This isn’t the reason at all.
George Lucas is … still … the reason why we don’t have an official OOT. Disney could give it to us any time they want, but they have obviously told us all to **** off and keep paying for their shit movies.
I even heard the other day there are plans for a hiatus from making new movies.
I doubt it. Main “Saga” movies maybe (which I’d like, actually), but I bet they’ll keep making the EU “Story” movies if nothing else.
The slashfilm article definitely seemed to indicate a hiatus from the movies in general, not just the saga films.
As I have already said, the simple thing is that OOT release is just not profitable enough for them to care. While it might bring millions, that is still a change compared to billions they are making with other stuff.
This isn’t the reason at all.
George Lucas is … still … the reason why we don’t have an official OOT. Disney could give it to us any time they want, but they have obviously told us all to **** off and keep paying for their shit movies.
I do think it’s partially because they want to keep the attention focused solely on the new movies. Sure, they could give us what we want right now, but it would distract from the new stuff they’re selling. If it doesn’t happen in the next eight months during this long gap between the RO blu and the theatrical release of TLJ, I don’t see it happening next year either because of the Han Solo movie that’s coming out in May. Then IX comes out in May of 2019 (yes, that’s still the release date, not December, and the rumor that they’re going to start shooting this summer would seem to mean they’re serious).
Way too many signs point to 2020 for me to think otherwise. I even heard the other day there are plans for a hiatus from making new movies. What’s going to be frustrating is if there’s still another movie coming out after IX and they choose to wait longer than they need to (May of 2020) to release the OOT, simply out of not wanting to distract from whatever that new movie is.
Has the ANH screening happened yet, or is that tomorrow? I’m curious as to whether they’ll finally unveil their new SE transfer. I believe they’re showing it back to back with Rogue One, and if they plan on just showing the Lowry again it’ll look extra terrible by comparison.
From what Tack reported last summer, the roadshow might have already been the grand unveiling.
ETA: Apparently they’re doing a back to back screening of Rogue One and ANH Friday night and then an ESB-RotJ-TFA triple feature on Saturday night.
At this point I don’t even care anymore. I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we probably aren’t going to see anything until George kicks the bucket. And as annoyed with him as I am for what he did to this franchise, I don’t wish that on him. I’ll probably have kids of my own old enough to watch the series by the time the OUT comes out, and by then it will probably be some holographic 8K virtual whatever, forget about Blu-ray. That’s fine. I’m just glad this site exists so I’m not stuck with laserdisc transfers in the meantime.
I also can’t shake the feeling George has something to do with it. Even if the movies no longer legally belong to him, Disney and Fox are probably sticking to his vision out of some misplaced sense of loyalty, just because.
Anyway, I missed the first hour or so of the livestream for reasons I won’t bother going into here, tuned in just after noon and saw Harrison and George talking their different versions of how it happened. Ford’s “fly? yes. land? …” got a laugh out of me.
The stream was constantly buffering for me as well, but I did catch that amazing video they put together for Carrie and it definitely got the emotions going. Cut to: surprise, John Williams! Of course someone holding up their phone to take a pic was directly between Johnny and the camera. “Put your fucking phone down!” I yelled at, ironically, my own phone. So 2017.
Hearing Leia’s theme conducted by the master himself absolutely destroyed me. The orchestra really “brought it” as well. Do we know who they are?
An OOT announcement was never going to happen at this panel. This was always going to be about Carrie, and it’s only fitting. I don’t think, however, that there’s zero chance of it happening later on during the convention.
But then again I’ve already resigned myself to the likelihood that we won’t hear anything until 2020 at the earliest. If we get an announcement before then it will be a nice surprise. If that happens to be in the next month or so, great! But we really shouldn’t frame this convention as the “now or never” venue for an OOT announcement.
Well, that was unexpected (to me)
Yub Nub’s in the intermission music.
Wasn’t that already on the latest release of the soundtrack, though?
An appropriate double post if ever there was one.
I mean, it’s interesting that they’re opening the convention with this instead of a TLJ panel, right???
An official unaltered restoration on blu-ray would be a pretty big deal, there’s no denying it. Maybe not quite as big of a deal as when the “Chewie, we’re home” trailer dropped, but for a significant percentage of fans this would be something they’ve waited more than a decade for.
There was definitely a Terminator box set at one point. There was also the sony-owned Dr. Strangelove and uni-owned Spartacus in the Kubrick sets.
The Mad Max set is another good example.
Here’s my line of thinking:
The GOUT was announced in early-mid May. If May 15th comes and goes and we still haven’t heard anything, we go with SilverWook’s idea of a more formal letter to the powers-that-be and send/post it on May 25th.