I only saw TFA and RO once each in the theater, in regular-sized 2D, and didn’t buy RO on blu-ray.
Meanwhile, I’ve still never bought any iteration of the I-VI blu-rays.
The amount of money I’ve spent on anything else Star Wars over the last several years is precisely zero.
Don’t blame me.
I didn’t say the rights issue was preventing a new release. I said they are intentionally keeping what’s coming next in their back pocket for after May of 2020 so they don’t have to share any of the profits with Fox.
Again, this doesn’t make any sense though and doesn’t hold up to the bare minimum of scrutiny. If they didn’t want to share money with Fox, they wouldn’t be selling the Blurays right now, at all. The distribution rights aren’t faintly related to the lack of OOT release in way at all.
“Not selling Star Wars anywhere, at all” is what doesn’t make sense.
Exactly.
It’s not that Disney doesn’t want to share any profits at all with Fox. It’s that they don’t want to share the sudden spike in profits that would come with a 4k/OOT release.
I don’t buy the idea of a huge spike in profits. The OOT has become relic of the past, mostly desired by purists. If anything interest for them seems to be waning with each year that passes.
Well, I’m convinced they’re going to wait until the 4k UHD release to include the OOT, and they’re definitely going to wait until at least 2020 for the 4k release.
Exactly.
It’s not that Disney doesn’t want to share any profits at all with Fox. It’s that they don’t want to share the sudden spike in profits that would come with a 4k/OOT release.
That doesn’t make any sense though. If that were the case, that wouldn’t stop them from working on such a release at the present time, which they aren’t. It can take years for a restoration on this scale to be finished, and if they aren’t going to sell it until 2020 anyway, there’s no reason for them not to get a head start on it now if that was there intent.
How long did the Coppola Restoration of Godfather I&II take?
Even if they didn’t start working on it until 2018, two years seems like a long enough time.
I guess no one caught what I was going for.
The ship gets badly damaged in the second movie (WoK/STID) and destroyed in the third (SFS/Beyond).
I didn’t say the rights issue was preventing a new release. I said they are intentionally keeping what’s coming next in their back pocket for after May of 2020 so they don’t have to share any of the profits with Fox.
Again, this doesn’t make any sense though and doesn’t hold up to the bare minimum of scrutiny. If they didn’t want to share money with Fox, they wouldn’t be selling the Blurays right now, at all. The distribution rights aren’t faintly related to the lack of OOT release in way at all.
“Not selling Star Wars anywhere, at all” is what doesn’t make sense.
Exactly.
It’s not that Disney doesn’t want to share any profits at all with Fox. It’s that they don’t want to share the sudden spike in profits that would come with a 4k/OOT release.
If they are not doing anything right now, I don’t see how 2020 is a realistic date.
It’s simple, they don’t want to do anything other than reissuing the 2011 discs until the rights are back in their hands (with the previously noted exception of ANH, which will never be back in their hands anyway).
This is all nonsense. Releasing a new set has nothing to do with distribution rights. If that were the case, Disney would pull all copies off the shelves and just wait until 2020 to sell anything. They wouldn’t be selling the Blurays AT ALL.
Just like what happened with VHS, DVD, and Bluray, they will wait until the next technology becomes widely adopted by consumers, and then they will issue a new set with an updated master. For obvious reasons, that will most likely be after the ST is completed, so they can issue a 4k set of all the movies.
When they do issue the 4K set…3 years from now, 5 years from now, etc…it will be the SE version if it is left up to Kennedy and LFL, which it likely will be. The only way to get an official OOT release is for their bosses at Disney to order them to make it happen. The only way their bosses at Disney would ever do that is if you, the fans, call it to their attention and force them to do so. Most likely with your wallet.
I didn’t say the rights issue was preventing a new release. I said they are intentionally keeping what’s coming next in their back pocket for after May of 2020 so they don’t have to share any of the profits with Fox.
If they are not doing anything right now, I don’t see how 2020 is a realistic date.
It’s simple, they don’t want to do anything other than reissuing the 2011 discs until the rights are back in their hands (with the previously noted exception of ANH, which will never be back in their hands anyway).
Yes, it’s reckless of them to wait so long and risk further deterioration of the source elements, and Poita’s efforts are commendable, but I don’t see what’s so hard to understand about the 2020 thing.
It can’t just be a coincidence that the Enterprise gets badly damaged in the second movie and destroyed in the third, can it?
I fear that disney won’t be able to move foward
Disney needs new hope and han to shoot first again for their to be headlines
And they only are entitled to 5 films distribution rights
Disney will simply pay Fox its cut for ANH starting in May of 2020 when Lucasfilm gains full rights to Empire, Jedi, and the prequels.
The current blu-rays will likely be phased out in 2019 and the 4k UHD release timed for Fall of 2020. It would be perfect timing since the 4k disc format will need at least until then to gain enough traction for as high-profile a catalogue title as the OT.
Since Disney will want as many people as possible buying it (and also an excuse to charge as much money as they can for it), the OOT will likely be included. They’d probably also release it on regular blu-ray.
That’s my prediction, anyway.
Or, any kind of restoration would be done internally to LFL and general Disney restorationists wouldn’t know anything about it.
Better safe than sorry, but yes, I agree.
We’re not going to know either way until 2019 at the earliest.
I realize this is kind of morbid, but in The Empire Strikes Back when Luke’s hand is cut off by Vader, does it seem weird to anyone else that he doesn’t bleed more? I know George Lucas wants to keep the movies PG but if he could get a way with showing a bloody arm in A New Hope in the Mos Eisley Cantina scene and that made movie was PG, then why wasn’t there blood gushing from Luke’s wrist? I mean…come on! Really? You can’t show him smear blood on his outfit or anything while Vader tells him he’s his father? I don’t know. It’s a little morbid but it seems that scene should be bloodier.
I remember reading somewhere that the MPAA originally gave Star Wars a G rating and Lucas requested it be bumped up to PG. I’d be very curious if the G was still with everything in the finished movie (like Owen and Beru’s charred corpses and the aforementioned bloody arm) or if those shots were added later.
I actually don’t mind so long as it’s not Tatooine again for a very long time, and even then I’d want a damn good reason to go back. It was pointless enough having Luke go back there in RotJ other than Lucas checking off “the hero returns home” from his Joseph Campbell cheat sheet.
It’s been five years and still nothing. They’re too busy catering to the lightsaber-waving crowd by producing mediocre crap.
Oh, there’s no doubt.
If people were to stop buying Star Wars merch tomorrow, Lucasfilm would immediately look for other ways of making money and you-know-what would be right at the top of the list.
Disney doesn’t acquire distribution rights of 1-6 until May of 2020 (and Fox will ALWAYS own 4, unless Disney can strike a deal with them). Even if they were planning on releasing the OOT, they would stay mum until late 2019 at the absolute earliest.
I have a feeling that after Episode 9 comes out, we will start to hear some rumblings, and by 2020 Disney will push marketing for an ultimate box set. If there was ever a time to release the OOT, it would be with a box set, forcing everyone who wants it to dish out $$$ and double down on any of the films they already own.
Frankly, I’m already assuming that they will instead give us yet another updated special edition, but we can pray to Vader that they show some damn respect and include the OOT as a bonus.
I suspect this is exactly what will happen.
I was just at the book store and I noticed that the current paperback anthology of the OT novelizations has the slightly taller dimensions of the canon Disney novels rather than the traditional mass market paperback size that all the Legends material is. Maybe they did quietly recanonize them after all.
Well, to the layman, the weird thing about slapping “legends” on the covers would be that the novelizations of the very things kept within canon aren’t canon. So maybe they left the legends label off to avoid confusion.
I’m really saddened by how little activity there was. I and a couple others were very proactive about trying to spread it, but is seems the world does not care.
There are more important things to worry about in this world, really.
It’s Disney that should be taking the initiative for the sake of film history.
It’s been five years and still nothing. They’re too busy catering to the lightsaber-waving crowd by producing mediocre crap.
Oh, there’s no doubt.
If people were to stop buying Star Wars merch tomorrow, Lucasfilm would immediately look for other ways of making money and you-know-what would be right at the top of the list.
I’m really saddened by how little activity there was. I and a couple others were very proactive about trying to spread it, but is seems the world does not care.
There are more important things to worry about in this world, really.
It’s Disney that should be taking the initiative for the sake of film history.
I wonder how many times the unaltered versions came up in conversation.
I’d be interested in knowing who was most chiefly responsible for the shots that were replaced with cgi in the SE. Even then, most of the other shots were digitally recomposited. So whoever did the original optical compositing had their work erased.
Maybe someday when something you worked hard on and received a lot of recognition for is just suddenly replaced by something else you’ll understand. I doubt much of that event was spent crapping on Lucas but nonetheless it is a bit bittersweet for them to all be gathered together for one event to celebrate SW40 when much of the work they did isn’t even in the film anymore.
(since I’m too lazy to check)
Were any of the alums who ended up going along with the alterations twenty years later present at this get-together? I’m talking about people like Muren (he’s actually the only one I can think of off the top of my head).
“Effects legends such as John Dykstra, Joe Johnston, Richard Edlund, Phil Tippett, Ken Ralston, Chris Evans, Lorne Peterson, Paul Huston, Scott Farrar, Steve Gawley, Bill George, Jean Bolte, Craig Barron, Harrison Ellenshaw, Robert Blalack, and many, many others were in attendance as were Marcia Lucas, Howard Kazanjian, Gary Kurtz, Sid Gannis, Tom Smith, Ben Burtt.”
Was Muren even there?
The guy who works at the comic shop I go to has a theory that the shifting release date has more to do with the Frozen sequel than anything else. I haven’t looked into it myself yet, but that sounds plausible to me.
That would make sense. I just checked imdb and Frozen 2 is slated for November 27, 2019.
I would say there’s no way they’d compete with themselves by releasing a Marvel or Star Wars movie only three weeks later, but then again they’re already releasing Avengers 3 and Han Solo that exact same length of time from each other next May. Unless plans change, they’re doing the same thing with Avengers 4 and Episode IX a year later.
Lest we forget, the original plan was to release Episode VIII this past weekend, only three weeks after Guardians 2.
Maybe they’ve done the math and figured they’re not competing with themselves during the summer months when most people going to see those Avengers movies will do so in the first three weeks anyway but the winter months are too cold for more than one big tentpole release.
Plus, the movie is called Frozen.
I can see why they’d want it to be the last release of the year.
He may not have worked on it, but Knoll was still at the party…
Right, but I was trying to think of people who were both involved with the OOT’s production and worked on the SE.
transparisteel
I hate how the EU apparently makes up words for everything.
“Transparent Aluminum” was already taken.
The only really good things to come out of the EU are PC games and mods.
You clearly need to read more then.
Lucasfilm kept the film novelizations in canon.
I’m pretty sure that’s not true. The only things they outright said were going to be in the Disneyverse were the six films and TCW series and movie (CG, not 2D), plus all Disney content going forward.
Unless of course they’ve since come out and said the novelisations for I - VI are also part of the Disneyverse, but I don’t recall them every saying so.
I don’t recall them ever saying that either.
and Shatterpoints.
Which (some people think) was made canon in that episode of The Clone Wars where Mace Windu, er, shatterpoints the transparisteel of an AT-TE cockpit.
Or, in other words, he Windu’s a window.
Maybe someday when something you worked hard on and received a lot of recognition for is just suddenly replaced by something else you’ll understand. I doubt much of that event was spent crapping on Lucas but nonetheless it is a bit bittersweet for them to all be gathered together for one event to celebrate SW40 when much of the work they did isn’t even in the film anymore.
(since I’m too lazy to check)
Were any of the alums who ended up going along with the alterations twenty years later present at this get-together? I’m talking about people like Muren (he’s actually the only one I can think of off the top of my head).
John Knoll and Ben Burtt at least.
Ben Burtt is another one I was forgetting, but Knoll wouldn’t count since he didn’t work on the OOT.
Maybe someday when something you worked hard on and received a lot of recognition for is just suddenly replaced by something else you’ll understand. I doubt much of that event was spent crapping on Lucas but nonetheless it is a bit bittersweet for them to all be gathered together for one event to celebrate SW40 when much of the work they did isn’t even in the film anymore.
(since I’m too lazy to check)
Were any of the alums who ended up going along with the alterations twenty years later present at this get-together? I’m talking about people like Muren (he’s actually the only one I can think of off the top of my head).