Fang Zei

TWINE?

DrDre said:

nickyd47 said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

So does anyone honestly still think that when the time eventually comes to release the OT on 4k* that Disney won’t include a restored OOT?

I mean, to the layman, do the 2011 blu-rays look that terrible when upscaled on a properly setup and calibrated 4k display? People are going to need a reason to buy these movies yet again other than higher (but not necessarily perceptible) resolution and hdr.

Maybe I’m way underestimating the demand for a 4k hdr SE, but I feel like a lot of fans are worn out from all these changes and would prefer to simply watch these films as they were.

*probably no sooner than 2020 so that Disney can keep the profits from Empire and Jedi all to themselves.

The general population doesn’t care about the changes. A great number of them have never seen anything but the SE. They don’t even know what they’re missing, and their numbers are growing every day.

All Disney would have to do is market the theatrical cuts as all new never before released cuts and those people will have their minds blown

I’m sure many would, but the problem is that releasing the OOT would have to be a labour of love, like Mike Verta has done. Someone within the Lucasfilm/Disney conglomerate with influence needs to champion these classic films, otherwise I don’t see it happening. There’s really not much of a financial incentive to do it. I’m sure a 4K release including the OOT would do somewhat better than one without it, but how much better are we talking about, 10%? That’s nothing compared to the amount of money to be made with the release of the new films each year.

Well, yeah.

Disney needs to want to do this. Not because they’ll make more money off of it, but because it’s the right thing to do.

J0E said:

TV’s Frink said:

I can’t wait to see how they physically release the digital version.

But they didn’t with the digital versions so who knows?

They didn’t need to because George never signed away the digital distribution rights for the other five movies. That’s why there was no waiting game for the digital release.

You can’t get ANH on Disney’s digital download platform since they don’t own it, but you can on all the other services like google, amazon, itunes, etc.

They would need to broker a deal with Fox in order to include ANH in a hypothetical new boxset post-2020, but even if they can’t there’s a very simple solution: just release the movies individually.

According to the numbers, the new 4k format is growing just as fast, if not faster, than blu-ray was at this point in its lifespan.

That would seem to refute the argument that “not as many people will care about a 4k SE,” but I still think that argument holds water if only because there was already a diminished enthusiasm for these movies when they first hit blu-ray.

The 2011 release made less money in its first week than the 2004 set made in its very first day.

rodneyfaile said:

The general public is oblivious to the changes.

What percentage of the “general public” actually cares enough about these movies to go out and buy them on the latest physical format?

The Merchant said:

Force Storms

Remember when some people thought that was the kind of thing we’d see in The Force Awakens, based solely on the title?

So does anyone honestly still think that when the time eventually comes to release the OT on 4k* that Disney won’t include a restored OOT?

I mean, to the layman, do the 2011 blu-rays look that terrible when upscaled on a properly setup and calibrated 4k display? People are going to need a reason to buy these movies yet again other than higher (but not necessarily perceptible) resolution and hdr.

Maybe I’m way underestimating the demand for a 4k hdr SE, but I feel like a lot of fans are worn out from all these changes and would prefer to simply watch these films as they were.

*probably no sooner than 2020 so that Disney can keep the profits from Empire and Jedi all to themselves.

I actually remember seeing the Power Rangers movie in a theater as a ten year old boy when it came out in '95. The movie itself had almost totally left my memory when I randomly caught it in hd on hbo one Saturday morning several months ago. The cgi looks terrible.

In my experience the main cause of higher ticket prices has been the theaters’ need to constantly upgrade everything.

I’m lucky that the closest multiplex to me still only charges as much as the theater near where I grew up did seven years ago. That’s probably because it hasn’t been upgraded in at least that much time. Granted, there are a bunch of other potential reasons.

This is the same understaffed theater where I saw Wonder Woman, where they leave the 3D filters on almost all of the projectors except the one for their biggest screen. Competition from other nearby theaters is probably another factor, and maybe they’re saving on the rent compared to other places.

But they don’t have a Dolby or a liemax or even a “large format” screen, and the theaters that charge more all have at least one of those things.

ETA:

I’ve noticed there’s an inverse relationship between ticket prices and access to free parking.

$14 for a real Imax screening is indeed a steal, and you saw it at an actual multiplex and not a museum where that’s more the normal price.

Here in the DC area your average multiplex will charge $20 just to see something in liemax.

Don’t think I’ve ever seen this fringing problem.

Regal has something weird going on in their theaters where the right and left sides of the screen will be tinged slightly different. It’s not super distracting but I did find it noticeable during brightly lit scenes. Must have something to do with the way their theaters are set up because I’ve noticed this at two entirely separate locations.

When I saw the final Harry Potter movie in 35mm, the screen randomly went dark for several seconds while the sound kept going. This happened a couple times during the movie and they were within only a couple minutes of each other, roughly halfway through. I don’t want to mention specifics on the off-chance I’d be spoiling it for someone, but the first flub happened right in the middle of a pretty significant moment and I seem recall saying out loud “you’ve got to be kidding me.”

When it happened again only a minute or so later the lighting in the scene was, uhhh, much brighter, so the screen going dark again for a few seconds was even more noticeable.

I don’t know what the hell caused it, maybe the shutter in the projector got stuck or something. There was a trio of folks complaining to the management afterwards as we were leaving the theater, and I was tempted to do the same, but I could see the person on duty wasn’t giving in and so I figured it wasn’t worth the trouble.

When I saw Rise of the Planet of the Apes at a Thursday midnight screening with my cousin a week or so later, it was at the same theater and we had a choice between digital and film. I chose digital, thinking that would prevent any screwups like what happened with harry potter.

We go inside and I notice the real-d filter is still over the projector. I ask a theater employee to remove it and she does. Eventually the trailers start, and then the movie.

About halfway through, the same exact thing that happened during Harry Potter happens again … only the picture doesn’t come back this time.

We all start making our way out of the auditorium with very little light to guide us, booing the whole time. As we’re finally getting to the hallway, the theater staff emphatically tells us it’s okay and that someone’s coming to fix it. We all take our seats again and someone comes in with a remote (yup, tv in the cinema indeed, Tarantino) and asks us to let her know when we’ve gotten to the right scene as she fast-forwards through the movie.

Goes without saying they were waiting outside to give us all free passes once the movie ended.

tl;dr, digital cinema can be just as bad if not worse than film projection.

Six years later it’s almost worse in certain ways. I’ve complained about them not removing the 3D filter on at least two trips to the movies in the last year. With Rogue One I mentioned it to them afterward and they said “it turns on and off automatically,” completely ignoring my point that it shouldn’t be on there at all. With Wonder Woman I tried letting someone know during the trailers, but the theater was so understaffed that the guy in charge understandably told me there was nothing he could do about it.

Well, the last time I saw a 35mm print of a new release was probably The Muppets back in 2011, and the last time before that was probably Thor earlier that year.

Paramount’s final 35mm release was Anchorman 2 back in 2013. They made an exception for Interstellar.

There are probably many people in their mid-teens who saw film projected pre-2012, but they probably wouldn’t remember now which was which. It’s all the same to them.

I certainly didn’t start to appreciate the finer points of film projection until I was in my late teens.

If any question was worth a double-post, it’s that one.

There will almost definitely be a 4k UHD of The Last Jedi next April.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if Disney puts out TFA and Rogue One on the format later this year.

We’re not getting a UHD of I-VI until 2020 at the earliest, though.

I’ll probably see Homecoming on Saturday morning since I’ve got a surplus of $5 Fandango coupons that expire the end of July and the ticket will only cost me 79 cents.

Plus, I won’t be back in town until tomorrow and want to see this with a DC audience, for obvious reasons.

Haarspalter said:

Oh look, Disneys very first 4K Blu-ray will be Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/guardians-of-the-galaxy-2-to-be-disneys-first-4k-b/1100-6451468/?utm_source=gamefaqs&utm_medium=partner&utm_content=news_module&utm_campaign=homepage

I jumped over to The Digital Bits after seeing this just now only to find that Bill Hunt had posted the announcement from James Gunn in the middle of the night.

Curious that this comes ahead of any announcement from Disney on their plans for the format, although it probably makes more sense to start things off on a more personal and enthusiastic note from an actual director.

Vol 2 will probably be a day one buy since I can finally future-proof a Disney release. I’d much rather pay a few extra bucks for a 4k disc I can’t watch yet than pay for an overpriced combo pack with a dvd I’ll never watch at all and a blu-ray that’s stuck at 1080p and sdr.

Somehow this managed to be the first theatrical run of an MCU movie since Incredible Hulk to completely pass me by.

GlastoEls said:

Fang Zei said:

rodneyfaile said:

I liked The People vs George Lucas. Is it time for a new documentary? One that focuses specifically on the special editions and lack of availability of the originals?

Wasn’t a sequel in the works not long after the Disney deal happened?

Yes but seems to have disappeared without trace.

http://ew.com/article/2014/06/17/star-wars-george-lucas-doc-people/

IIRC, someone even started a thread here asking for our feedback.

rodneyfaile said:

I liked The People vs George Lucas. Is it time for a new documentary? One that focuses specifically on the special editions and lack of availability of the originals?

Wasn’t a sequel in the works not long after the Disney deal happened?

Remember when I said that not getting the OOT until 2020 might be a good thing because then it would almost certainly be included in 4k?

Well, Blade Runner is being released on UHD later this year, but the final cut is the only version actually being presented on the new format.

It makes sense from a certain standpoint, as the final cut has been ready to go in full 4k ever since it was put together in 2007. The other versions would only have been mastered at 2k, if not 1080p HD.

But it doesn’t even look like the other versions will be included at all, not even on regular bd. This kind of retroactively makes the old blu-ray collection a favor to the fans.

I wouldn’t be surprised, even if the OOT recieves the proper treatment someday, to see the non-final versions eventually fade into memory. Lucasfilm only wants there to be one official version of the saga, and historical curiosity has the potential to get in the way.

suspiciouscoffee said:

lovelikewinter said:

It could get pushed back to Dec 2018 and move Mary Poppins Returns because no one gives a crap about that but will still probably give it billions of dollars anyway.

FTFY

After just now discovering that Beauty and the Beast is the highest grossing movie of 2017 here in the States - and by a significant margin over Guardians vol 2 and Wonder Woman - yup, I’d believe it.

Since this is one of the standalones, Disney probably doesn’t care about placing it only three weeks after the next Avengers movie. Similarly, they probably didn’t care about placing Guardians vol 2 - technically also a “standalone” within the Marvel franchise - only three weeks before the original placeholder date for Episode VIII.

I guess that’s why “The Davids” (Cronenberg and Lynch) were both offered RotJ.

All of this crazy news really makes me wonder how they’re going to handle the eventual behind-the-scenes making-of material. The story behind Ford’s accident on the set of TFA was conspicuously absent from the blu-ray, but Kennedy did bring up Michael Arndt’s draft.

I feel like there could be a similarly short mention of Lord & Miller’s “initial contributions” (nevermind that it was the bulk of principal photography) or they could really lean into this and give us the most interesting making-of ever.

The fact that it’s Disney makes me think we’ll get the former, but this has become an elephant in the room big enough to rival the OOT. I didn’t buy Rogue One on blu, but from what I’ve heard the extras don’t really bring up the massive reshoots we heard so much about. I’m sure they’ll figure out how to brush the whole L&M thing under the rug, if they even bring it up at all.

My biggest question is who will be credited in the finished film.

For the Shout remaster they got Dean Cundey to supervise (or at least approve) the finished transfer. They used an IP source, which is probably why they settled for 2k. I’m not sure what film elements were used for Uni’s hd master, if that’s even knowable.

The main issue with Shout’s release (and IIRC this was also a problem with the most recent Halloween transfer, which was also supervised/approved by Cundey) is that the color-timing pushes everything too far towards the cool end of the spectrum. A regrade using the old bd’s colors, which seem to more closely resemble those of a 35mm print, would seem to be the ideal combination. Maybe Arrow’s 4k job will end up being exactly that.

So apparently George wrote the initial story treatment for this movie.

First I’m hearing of this.

Or it’s possible I heard about it forever ago and just forgot.