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#295299
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Who got their membership pkg and "letter" from George Lucas?
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Originally posted by: zombie84
To get back on topic in regards to movies wider than 16:9, since it's being shot in 35mm either way aren't we not really "losing" any lines of resolution unless the movie was shot in 70mm?


I'm not sure if I understand what your asking. Are you suggesting that a totally true-anamorphc HD image would be equal to the 35mm original? HD is about equal to 16mm in resolution (though IMO its actually not as good), but without the aesthetic advantages of 16mm; there seems to be a myth that HD is better or equal to 35mm film but its a total fabrication of marketing, as 35mm is roughly four times the resolution of HD, to say nothing of the technical limits and aesthetic flaws of video.


It had nothing to do with the whole HD issue, that's why I started with "to get back on topic." All I was saying was that a 1.85:1 movie utilizes practically all of the 16:9 frame (be it dvd, blu-ray or otherwise) whereas a 2.35:1 movie does not, but since both of those are 35mm aspect ratios the 2.35:1 movie doesn't really have a lower resolution than 1.85:1 movie, right?

Also, I've noticed that some movie theaters frame 2.35:1 movies by simply lowering the curtain whereas others will frame a 1.85:1 movie inside the other sized screen leaving black bars on either side.
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#295270
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Who got their membership pkg and "letter" from George Lucas?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295270/action/topic#295270
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I guess it just doesn't work that way since 16:9 (and not 2.35:1) 1080p is the television standard now. It begs the question of just how this whole aspect ratio thing works in relation to the resolution of digital cinema, to say nothing of actual film projection.

To get back on topic in regards to movies wider than 16:9, since it's being shot in 35mm either way aren't we not really "losing" any lines of resolution unless the movie was shot in 70mm?
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#295160
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Part VII VIII and IX
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295160/action/topic#295160
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Originally posted by: bkev
7, 8 and 9 should just be the Thrawn trilogy (if at ALL executed) or something - albeit with either new actors or a rearranged plot as to make the characters older.

Pray he does not read this.


If at all executed should've been all in caps. If the saying oft spoken on this site that EU and PT fanboys are one and the same, Lucas isn't very well going to bother adapting any pre-existing stuff into episodes 7, 8 and 9. My theory has actually been revolving around the 100 year time gap between legacy of the force and the legacy comic series, but seeing as how that's all still in the "legacy" era and both the OT and the PT have their own eras, I should probably take it as a sign that there still won't be any post-ROTJ movies.
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#295076
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Who got their membership pkg and "letter" from George Lucas?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295076/action/topic#295076
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: generalfrevious
Lucas virtually bypassed DVD for the OOT- all we got in 2006 was just a smaller laserdisc. The reason we may get a letterboxed Blu-ray of the OOT because one would think that it's impossible, but it will horribly happen because Lucas is there. Optimism died in 1997 for SW fans in relation to the OOT. Iv'e accepted that SW is dead because Lucas has proven once and for all that nobody cares about the OOT because he literally rigged the GOUT in order to justify his continuous destruction of the largest block of pop culture in the last 30 years. He deliberately chose to relase the GOUT to both a) intentionally make the GOUT bomb and b) forestall everyone's predictions of a 30th anniversary boxset by stating that "we jumped in the saarlacc pit too many times" with a completely intentional marketing failure. The OT today has now become an afterthought to the PT, just some straight to DVD work of what could of happened after Anakin fell to the dark side. Lucas has now based his entire life purpose on a trilogy of absolute cinematic failure(the PT) instead of the OT that has, for better or for worse, shaped our culture. That's why he can wear a "Han shot first" T-shirt because he knows that he has defeated the fanbase for the OOT and the original cuts no longer bother him because everybody has accepted the SE and no one, in his mind, can challenge him. He can personally insult the fanbase whenever he wants. Now every fan of the OOT has become bitter at the acceleration of home theater systems because every film except three of them will be shown in optimal digital quality. We might as well go insane and live in an early 90s time warp.


Depends on how far the mainstream the PT fans take him.


Interestingly enough, whenever my manager at the lego store is working the register he'll always ask kids trivia questions when they're with their parents buying something, always making sure to ask them first what they're favorite movie/tv show is (he's a self described nerd so he's usually well prepared). If they answer star wars he'll usually ask the question "who are darth vader's children?" and they always know the answer, but just the other day he switched it up and asked a kid who darth maul's master is. Now, this kid couldn't have been older than TPM itself and yet he still knew the answer! It really made me feel old actually. I was 13-just-about-14 when TPM was released. I can still remember about a week and a half before 5/19/99 being at the crown books that's now a booksamillion, getting my mom to buy me the novelization with the obi-wan/qui-gon cover and then not finishing it out of a desire to be slightly unspoiled going in.

The whole reason I bring this up is twofold.

1. I can remember back in the early to mid 90's, before "one last time" and "the way it was meant to be experienced," Star Wars was considered quite cool. Star Trek was at its all time popularity high and even then was heavily frowned upon! But then Star Wars just got too damn popular. Before TPM was even released people hated it, and the timing of The Matrix's release didn't help much. Before the PT, there was just that amazing period of time where kids born two years after the movies were released treated them like modern day classics. You don't see many films endure like that. I wonder whether or not that kid who knew the name of Darth Maul's master was a microcosm of star wars fans his age, but then again, he was the PT equivalent of people born in 1977 or so. It's the people being born this year who will be the PT equivalent of people my own age.

2. While I'm on the subject of everyone knowing who Darth Vader's children are, I must admit it sometimes makes me cringe to hear kids give the answer. Mainly it's because of everything I've learned in recent years about the making of the OT. It almost does make today's Star Wars fandom sound like a religion, Jedi the first step on that long revisionist path, and cements Star Wars and Empire as a one two punch. So, and this is mainly a question for the older people, how would you compare Star Wars in 2007 to Star Wars in 1985? Jedi wasn't even released on video until '86 for starters.
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#294751
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I say forget the OOT on DVD, lets target HD-DVD/Blue Ray Now
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294751/action/topic#294751
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Originally posted by: zombie84
And regular 30 FPS is really just 29.97! And 60i is really 59.98! OMG!

Actually, Fang, those decimal numbers don't really mean anything. They are just pull-down issues from video fields. Its complicated but 23.98 is effectively 24 frames running by your eye per second.


This is why I started a thread about it in the tech section. Let me ask it a different way,

If I were to start playing the NTSC transfer and the HD transfer of the same movie at the same time, would there be a delay by the time I got towards the end?
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#294187
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I say forget the OOT on DVD, lets target HD-DVD/Blue Ray Now
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294187/action/topic#294187
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Well thats kind of a different situation in that there was no such thing as home video before that period.


This is also something I was considering. We weren't going to see an anamorphic OOT any earlier than 2008 anyway. There's no way LFL would bring it out the very next year and piss off everyone who bought the GOUT. 2009, on the other hand, seems totally in the safe zone for LFL and as it has been said many times on this board people won't even want another standard dvd release unless there's the anamorphic OOT or there are some substantial new extras.

Look at what's happening with Blade Runner. It's only one of thousands of films in WB's library and yet they're giving it a five disc treatment. Why, that's more than Gone With The Wind! Star Wars is one of, what, only several dozen LFL movies at the most? How long do they really think they can hold out on us?
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#294049
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I say forget the OOT on DVD, lets target HD-DVD/Blue Ray Now
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294049/action/topic#294049
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That pretty much sums it up perfectly, Mike O.

I won't say that Lucasfilm should just make up its damn mind to keep the originals buried. Finally having a high def release of the OOT, even finding out that they planned to do this all along, would be the lesser of two evils (though not by a whole lot). I love how Lucas has been pushing the whole saga ethic on us and even then releases the OT on dvd as one single box set. Well, the exploitation of people's nostalgia continues....

If Blade Runner and CE3K can get simultaneous HD releases with all of the bonus features intact, to say nothing of including multiple versions of the film, why can't Lucas just come to his senses and release two versions of each movie? That's all we're really asking for. Give us a special edition of the prequels so we can finally enjoy those and give us the original version of the OT so we can finally enjoy that again.
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#293984
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I say forget the OOT on DVD, lets target HD-DVD/Blue Ray Now
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293984/action/topic#293984
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What zombie said.

The single biggest reason for eventually upgrading to a high def video format is that it bypasses the existing television signals (NTSC and PAL) and allows us all to actually watch movies at their normal 24 fps speed. I'm considering not ever buying a dvd again and just saving my money for trips to the theater until I can get an hdtv and whatever format has (hopefully) won the battle by then.
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#293316
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Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293316/action/topic#293316
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Seriously folks, Lucas had better get his head on straight and release the original versions in good quality if he thinks it's OK to just walk around wearing a shirt like that. I don't mean to push my idea for the next release on you guys for the umpteenth time, but I was watching some of the superman returns blu-ray disc on my uncle's ps3 last night and the possibilities are driving me nuts. All LFL would need to do is release a 6 disc, double sided dual layer blu-ray disc set with the original version on one side and the revisionist version on the other and I'm pretty sure just about everyone buying it would be happy.
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#293137
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A New Direction For The Petition
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293137/action/topic#293137
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Originally posted by: Mike O
What we really need is someone willing to champion the cause; Kevin Smith or Roger Ebert or someone.


I actually work at a lego store and as you probably know we sell Star Wars products. My dream would be to use this as a stepping stone to working at LFL someday and be the one to actually go through the Lucasfilm archives to "search exhaustively for source material that could be presented on DVD." It begs the question of why someone working there hasn't already done that and even moreso why someone didn't speak up about it once the non-anamorphic debacle started, although who says someone didn't? Then again, maybe there's just that symptom I was talking about in one of my posts. Maybe they look at it as a way of life and not as goddamn movies. Maybe the yes man and yes woman mentality is just too prevalent.

As an aside, you can now probably understand why I've been as pissed as anyone about the GOUT release. September 12, 2006 was going to be such a proud day for me with the release of lego star wars II and the unaltered OT.