FVDnz

Bingowings said:

Long time readers of this thread will note my loathing of the plastic cluttered ROTJ briefing room with props thrown in just because they existed.

I rather like the ceiling and the podium in this version from the updated X-Wing Alliance game.

Also hoping at the beginning of the briefing scene that we get to see an establishing shot of where the Rebel Fleet are in orbit around Sullust, and hopefully seeing the planet in the background too.  Would be awesome as well if we could see all the Rebel ships - A-Wings, B-Wings, Mon Cal ships the lot.  And I'm sure there doesn't need to be any music in there either.

aalenfae said:

I think Ronster's idea is really good - and I don't want it to get lost in the sea of posts. 

The shot of the artillery hitting the AT-AT leg is really... awkward. And could stand to be replaced. Why not do something more visually exciting... like an exploding AT-ST? That'd be really cool to see on-screen. And maybe you could have an AT-AT in the background, walking forward. 


Also, the brightened AT-AT shot is a really good idea, too.
Even if you don't add an interior. Which should be done anyways. It'd match the fact that we can see the interior through the binoculars.  

That would be an awesome idea.  I've always wished that General Veers' AT-AT be taken down especially with that smug look on his face lol!  Why not the Artillery gun taking out his leg instead!? ;)

Bingowings said:

Dak's helmet has always been blue.

His helmet is recycled from the vanishing "blue-squadron" in ANH.

Basically in the first film Luke was originally meant to be Blue 5 but the blue insignia and markings on the models interfered with FX shots so the squadron became red but the shots with blue insignia had already been filmed.

Gold Squadron was the original Red Squadron which may explain this toy:

Ady changed the Blue markings to red in ANH:R but there is still a continuity issue because in the battle only Luke has that insignia in red and all the helmets are distressed and weathered but as you can see these look rather shiny.

Thanks for clearing that up.  Still it's definitely no biggie whatsoever, I just thought it odd when I thought the Rebel Insignia was merely red.  But not necessarily as it shows. :)

Well once again Ady you and your team never cease to amaze!!  The subtle additions of those AT-ST's certainly are amazing!!!  However one thing I do wish to query - Dac's helmet appears to have a blue Rebel insignia.  Is that intentional or is that a rank thing?

AntcuFaalb said:

FVDnz said:

Well I paid £26 earlier this morning so I guess that brings it down to £250 now? ;)

You shouldn't have posted specific details! Now we know that FVDnz = Fabian Lelo!!!

Meh no harm in it whatsoever. :p

After adding an additional £13 just so I can see the number rounded at £100?  Couldn't resist lol!  Can it be done by the end of the day?  Fingers crossed! :D

Well I paid £26 earlier this morning so I guess that brings it down to £250 now? ;)

NeverarGreat said:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/3690

While most of the corrections are an improvement, this one looks substantially worse. Instead of "mystical swamp", it's "mud puddle with oppressive blue haze".

Does making the Hoth scenes less blue somehow make Dagobah less green and more blue?

That's because the Original Release was blue in the first place.  How people seem to envision the look of Dagobah intending it to be green was a misinterpretation in the first place.  Even Ady has explained this.

Ah fair point - good call! :-) 

In the Clone Wars they seemed to have made the Probe Droids on that a lot more smaller and mobile not to mention the SE droids flying around Mos Eisley being smaller too.  I wonder if tying the Saga together, should those Probe Droids in Empire be shrunk down as well?  Mind you it would be quite a challenge for Han to shoot the thing if it's smaller and quicker though. 

As for a grand reveal of Palpatine in his throne room with prior holographic transmissions, I'm all for it! :-) 

And I wonder if they'll also shoot Womprats for bonus points too! ;-) 

Wow the T-16 through Beggars Canyon idea sounds fantastic!!   Can rid the idea of Pod Racing altogether!  And perhaps you wouldn't need too many competitors either. 

I just can't get over some clown at Kotaku trying to defend Hoth with it's blues and trying to argue the snowy white look thinking it's a happy day out there!   MORONS!!!

Phew!!!  Glad to hear so much good news in there.  The ball is ROLLIN'!!! :)

That's all well and good, but Adywan has already confirmed that in his version, Padme is not going to die. 

Bingowings said:

Well no I would start with Luke already on Dagobah.

Yoda dies after finishing his job.

 

Well like the Falcon enters Yavin IV's orbit with the following shot as it comes in to land, that's how I would like to see Jedi start with Luke entering Dagobah's orbit, he lands and then it can carry on to the existing footage with Luke and Yoda.  That way I do think with Yoda dying at the beginning might lend more weight for the movie not to mention another Jedi passing on. 

Or do you still prefer to have the movie start off with Vader boarding the Death Star like it originally had? 

Bingowings said:

I suggested it was convoluted because it's not Luke's original plan.

Luke stays on Dagobah to become a fully trained Jedi Knight after learning his lesson from rushing off in the previous episode.

Leia is tired of waiting and rushes to rescue Han herself after convincing Chewie.

Luke arrives at Ben's hut (where they were planning their rescue) only to find Leia gone.

Threepio explains.

Ben's ghost turns up and explains to him that Leia is his sister (she has that Skywalker reckless streak when it comes to people she loves).

Luke then has to plan a rescue attempt for the rescue attempt.

I like that idea too. Will the existing footage of Luke with Yoda be enough though? Perhaps the start of Jedi can actually be Luke's X-Wing entering Dagobah's orbit, and then continuing on to the existing footage. After the Opening Crawl finishes the camera can pan either up or down to reveal the planet as Luke passes by from out of shot.  

The next scene to follow could be the original intro of the movie, but tweaked a little with the Executor replacing the random Star Destroyer.  I suppose the Imperial March could be used while we see the Executor reveal but can it transition into the music soon to follow - you know the awesome music as Vader's shuttle makes it's way to the Death Star? ;-)  

And then cue to Boussh delivering Chewie to Jabba the Hutt on Tattooine. Now the hard thing to do now I think is actually having a good scene to introduce the vile gangster seeing as the Droids meeting Jabba scene may come as a little redundant perhaps?  I guess you can reuse the existing footage of Jabba from when the Droids meet him.  And if only there were a shot of Boussh and Chewie at the Palace door instead too.  Additionally a nice transitionary shot would be Han in carbonite segueing to....  

A scene where we could have a shot of Luke's X-Wing entering Tattooine's orbit and landing near Ben's Hut.  And then the ensuing scene after Luke discovers that Leia has already gone ahead without him that Ben suddenly appears hence the revelation that she's his sister (superimposed Dagobah footage).  And from that moment on Luke could sense that Leia will soon be in danger too.  Cue to LeiaBoussh rescuing Han. And following Han reuniting with Chewie in jail, along comes a Skywalker....  

And I reckon it would be cool if Ady could hire an Actor Double for Luke's scenes in Ben's Hut, and I guess since Ady intends on creating a new matte for Ben's Hut in ANHR:SE, then Jedi could be a place to start.  

Some have mentioned that as Luke enters the Palace that he shouldn't Force Choke those Gamorrean Guards either.  Well I think they should leave it in there as I believe it's like a trait he inherited from his father, starting to get a little cocky with his newfound abilities etc.  

Well that's how I'd like to see Jedi carried out from the beginning.  And I suppose later during the Rebel Briefing scene, certain moments needs to be edited such as Luke's late arrival and reunion with Leia which can easily be removed. :-)

Sky_ said:

Version 2 differnt created different soundtrack

http://youtu.be/pxrBOTru98E

Heck even that's just as good.  I like it!  Still it is Ady's decision at the end of the day and I'm sure whatever he decides on will still look good.  And I suppose seeing Vader as a backdrops isn't all that necessary either.  Nice work Sky! :)

Well I for one actually thinks it looks pretty cool.  Sure it might be a little busy with the separate letters spinning around.  Either or, the full name or the the jumbled letters.  The music editing could use a little work but overall nice mix-up. :) 

muddyknees2000 said:

Luke burns Vader.....we cut to the party....everyone having a good time....Leia looks off in the distance, and walks off to investigate, Han, Chewie and co. follow her. We see Luke walking away from the funeral pyre, Leia walks up to him...they share a few words, maybe Leia tries to get him to come join the party...everyone else arrives just as Luke makes it clear that he'll be leaving. They all say their goodbyes, and Luke turns and walks towards his X-Wing, R2 wheels after him dutifully....but Luke notices, stops, bends down and speaks to him then rises again and walks away. R2 stays for a moment, watching Luke go, then turns and heads back to stand next to Leia, his new owner, and 3P0, his friend. Cut to a shot of Luke in the cockpit of his X-Wing....he smiles, we know everything is going to be ok, he takes off.....Han & Leia & co. rejoin the party. Last shot is either of the party, or of Luke's X-Wing flying towards the camera with Endor behind him. All or most of this would be sans dialogue, with music in its place.

This would have been GOLD......but sadly....we got the group portrait. 

I'd be on-board with that idea too.  There wouldn't need to be dialogue indeed.  The reaction on Endor between Han and Leia could act more towards Lando and the Falcon instead perhaps.

While the Victory Celebration music will be replaced I can somehow picture that into such a closing scene.  And I agree Yub Nub would feel totally out of place too.

It could have still been a good ending.  Heck even if it was something like how Nolan ended The Dark Knight Rises leaving things open then Jedi could have maybe ended like that perhaps....

I wonder if Jedi's Space Battle should take place outside Coruscant's orbit with the Death Star still under construction.  Or would that still be similar to ROTS?  Still if the battle took place there maybe the Rebel Forces would be greatly outnumbered.

I do recall Ady mentioning that he intends on altering Hayden's voice for PT:R.  He may as well create something new for the Battledroids too perhaps.

Bingowings said:

his is another bag I have about some people who lambast the PT (not saying it doesn't deserve it mind).

Lots of the shots that people pick out as fake look CGI are largely physical models with some CGI elements in them.

Some of that goes down to the extreme cartoonish nature of some of those CGI elements that make the whole show look like a Playstation cut scene.

That's more a design thing than a technical thing.

Even when you have an interesting design (like the basic battledroids) they look delicate, diminutive and plastic which is where Lucas seems to want to go with them story wise but them renders them not menacing (ironically seeing as they debut in TPM) and reduces the emotional impact they can leave.

Early drawings had the same design scaled up so they were 8ft tall with a brushed steel look.

They were based on the Epstein's Rock Drill which looks much more menacing and solid :

To some extent the PT needs it's ethos rejigged much more than it needs it's CGI replaced.

 

It's really unfortunate that George made those Battledroids so comedic and stupid.  It takes everything away from how dangerous they really could be.  It's like as if he borrowed from the Daleks voice-wise too.  At least they were menacing and they even scared my Dad as a kid too lol!  Heck even while the Super Battledroids may be more dangerous they still look goofy.  And those Commando Droids on The Clone Wars may still come close but again, no cigar!!  If anything the voices should probably be removed altogether.  And I hate to admit it but the Battledroids talking on TCW does crack me up, though it should never really have happened in the first place!! :p

To date I must say the T-800 Terminator machines of the future are still the most intimidating machines next to the T-1000 perhaps.  What else comes close?