The SD deleted scenes will cut in better with the HDTV, which is an ancient scan, but has a much more natural contrast than the BD and less DNR.
I’ve noticed that the 1997 changes are often the most degraded shots in the film, which is strange because, as they are much more recent than the 1977 film, they should be in better shape. But more often than not I’m having to repair the color. I guess these additions were even more shoddily preserved than the original elements.
The 2004 master is a 2k scan that has then been denoised with a bunch of DNR and then regrained to hide that fact. For the original negative and stuff recomposited in 2004, this is the only stage of detail loss. But for all the shots composited in 1997, it’s:
film, to a 2k scan, add CGI (possibly denoise based on the shot), print back to film, to another 2k scan, aggressive denoise, regrain.
The '97 stuff suffers more generational loss due to Lowery’s process.
Right, but they are pretty close. The scanned project print overall is biased toward yellow compared with the other (which is the result of the scans or print variance.) It matches with those Angelfire images much more than it does the DVD.
A quick contrast adjustment of the Angelfire one gets you to this:
Which looks like a greener version of the scanned project. A push in the greens can match one to the other from there.
Compare with the dvd, which has weird gamma and a different tint:
Simply adjusting the DVD’s contrast won’t get you close to the prints.
The 35mm print does have a ton of green in many scenes, but not the brown-greenish wash the DVD has. The DVD looks very different from what was in theaters.
The scanned print is actually more green than the DVD in many places. (And it’s greener than the VCD that NeverarGreat was color matching to).
DVD:
Print:
Well, I can’t say that I caught the green when I saw The Matrix in the theater, but when I saw the two sequels in the theater, I very much noticed it. I can’t say that the extent of tint in the blu-ray is accurate, but I would say the DVD is accurate. And it is possible that the prints were not done as accurately as they wanted and what you are seeing on the print is actually an error rather than the correct colors. But I absolutely did notice it the theater when I saw the third movie. In my experience and knowledge, distribution prints are not done with the care and accuracy of color that the many talented people on this site tend to have. I’m more inclined to believe the scanned print is in error than there was some drastic change in artistic direction between the first and third movies.
You are right that one print isn’t a definitive record of the director’s choices, but there’s no reason to suspect it’s radically wrong. The print has a cohesive style, in that the scenes in the Matrix have a bleached out look compared to the real word (and quite a bit of green as well). It also has normal contrast and looks good, while the first DVD is weirdly washed out with it’s green-browns, which I think were quickly introduced during the telecine.
The two sequels (which were shot and produced together) do have a different style. They were also mastered on a Digital Intermediate, giving them a greater control of color, while the first one was colored optically.
I think the Wachowskis wanted to make the Matrix scenes more blanket green then they could satisfactorily do for theaters (or they changed their mind in time for the DVD). When the DVD/Laserdisc came out they took the opportunity to tint it during mastering. They then used a more blanket green for the sequels and then further revised the first film’s color to better match the sequels (The blu ray/2nd DVD is a full regrade with better contrast and control than the brown-green of the first dvd).
The LD is very close to the DVD. The theatrical print looks a lot different from all of the home media releases. I would love a shot-for-shot color correction of the Blu ray to the theatrical print.
I assume the original hd masters of 5-9 were lost, or lower res to bad I can’t provide screenshots at the moment.
Seasons 5-9 were originally mastered in SD 16:9. They were never mastered in HD.
I think the first HD mastering and broadcast for a US prime-time drama show was an episode of Chicago Hope on CBS in 1998.
Is anybody else a fan of TOS only? Or do you even know anybody else who is?
I don’t like TNG, DS9 or… that other show I saw 2 episodes of… I think the Quantum Leap guy was in it?
The only Trek film I’ve liked is TWOK. I haven’t seen all of the films though.
Anyways, I’ve never met anybody who only likes the original Trek. Am I all alone?
I like the films and both TNG and DS9, but I think I ultimately prefer TOS by a fair degree. It’s what I think of when I think of Star Trek. (Though I do need to actually watch more DS9.)
That is way too saturated. You mostly need to remove the green tint and bring back the blues.
NeverarGreat did a very nice LUT that makes it look way better. Outside of a shot-by shot correction, it’s likely the best that release will look. (I’m still surprised no one encoded it with this LUT and put it on myspleen.)
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/885937
Edit: He beat me to it.
Even if you can’t rencode video, you should be able to mux together the DVD-5 video with whatever video and subtitles you choose and make a DVD-9. Use PgcDemux and tsmuxer to demux the DVD-5 and MKV. Then use Muxman to mux it all together to a new DVD. You can get standard-def subs from Project Threepio.
Oh, and if you want the isolated score for Star Wars in lossless, PM me.
This looks very promising. The sample is too pink, but the shots Dr Dre provided look great and I look forward to a version of this material with good color grading.
However, while there’s no question that working on this in 4k is great, I don’t think there’s much benefit to releasing it in 4K with that amount of DNR. It’s not particular bad DNR for 1080p. However, there’s not a ton of inherent detail in release prints; adding an extra step of information loss starts to kill any benefit that a 4K release might provide.
They all come from a 1080i source and are all upscales of awful-looking, smeary SD material. They should look mostly identical. I would choose the one labeled “AU HDTV - 2 Audio Tracks,” because it was rencoded by a forum member (Chewtobacca) at 24fps.
While the resolution is often worthless, the nice thing about the 4k Blu ray standard is the increased color depth. Less banding is always good.
Made for TV sequels used to be more of a thing and it is crazy to discover them. My favorite useless sequel is The Sting II, which got a theatrical release.
Yep, it is not in my scans or on the film.
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Does anyone have clean versions from these:
The second one looks like it’s is available in this collection of small posters if you want a cheap thing to buy and scan.
https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Art-Collection-Featuring/dp/141971581X
http://dizdude.com/m/catalog/product/gallery/id/1955/image/10277/
That is 4 percent faster and is definitely caused by PAL speedup.
This auction site has the best scans for the first one:
http://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=449605
http://www.comicconnect.com/data/Image/gallery/emp2.1a.jpg
http://www.comicconnect.com/data/Image/gallery/emp2.1b.jpg
I’m surprised that DS9 isn’t getting remastered given that apparently TNG sold well.
I was under the impression that sales were quite disappointing compared to the large sum required to remaster the whole thing.
Oh, so the NTSC masters have slowed down everything, including Carlin’s narration? That’s real convenient.
Thomas has always been filmed in 25fps (used pulldown for US releases to 60i), so nothing was adjusted. I will do the initial release in PAL.
Cool! I was talking about the speed of the US dubs. I’m assuming they were recorded after slowing down the 25fps masters. Speeding them up from 24fps/60i to 25 fps will pitch up George Carlin’s voice. (Although, now that I think about it, George Carlin probably recorded over slowed and pitched down music and sound effects, so that would go back to being correct and no one will care that George has a slightly higher pitched voice.) So this is actually the best way to release it.
I had thought about leaving it was THOMAS THE TANK ENGINE & FRIENDS, but I wasn’t sure. I could revert it back, but that would be a lot of extra work, because I remastered every single title card ala the restored versions.
No worries. I’m just fond of the original logo. This looks like an incredible amount of work, and I’m really glad you went to all this trouble.
Sweet! I have questions.
So this is the audio from the Amazon release synced up to the remastered PAL DVDs with many errors corrected and custom titles?
This looks to be done at 25fps. I’m assuming the Carlin dub is sped up but then pitch corrected? It doesn’t sound pitched up. Does this mean a PAL DVD release?
This looks great! Thanks so much for your hard work.
Also, annoying stuff that I’m sure would be a pain to do:
Would you consider a version with the original Thomas the Tank Engine logo? It is how it was originally. Also, I don’t think the HiT logo needs to be there for similar reasons.
I never saw this, but I’ve been meaning to give it a look, and this looks like a really cool project.
Sweet. This sounds really great.
It looks like all the remastered US episodes were recently added to Amazon Prime:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FYLYOYM?ref_=aiv_dp_season_select
This is exactly what I have been waiting for, although it is my understanding that some of the remastered versions lack audio cues.
Did you use any of this in your edit?
Yeah! Now if only the other films got this treatment.
On an interesting note, Trekcore pointed out the the terrible digital “correction” of those stairs done for the 2009 disc. Lowry/Reliance seems to do that sort of thing all the time and it’s awful.
