EddieDean

TavorX, thanks for your input too. I wasn’t aware that people had a problem with Holdo in this movie. She’s not a main character and really exists only to serve Poe’s plot (bringing home that blind heroism isn’t good leadership), and then fill in a few other moments - a leadership position in Leia’s absence, and her heroic sacrifice. So like a lot of characters in the series, she gets little screen time but some key moments from which we can infer a lot about her character - she’s a good leader, she knows a lot about managing heroism, and she’s a hero herself.

Either way, maybe we’re getting distracted from hair colour chat, which I’m still really struggling to understand. I think there’s something fundamental I’m missing here because a few people now have said things like her hair is childish, not suitable for an admiral, annoying, attention seeking; but I don’t know of anywhere in the movies or the EU stuff I have read where people in the Star Wars universe would think things like that about a specific colour of hair or make judgments about people’s abilities based on appearance. Especially when there’s so much tolerated variety in Star Wars with all the aliens, and even other humans with crazy hair like Leia’s buns. Am I nuts or does it feel like a very specific set of assumptions we’re making here?

And even if people in Star Wars think pink hair on humans = less skilled, surely the fact that Holdo’s an admiral goes to prove that they value her abilities higher than even that judgment, like the Empire with Thrawn (“we hate aliens, but damn this one’s a great alien”).

Maybe I’m overthinking this. Though in overthinking this last night I actually was reminded of something I read in the Ralph McQuarrie book which does make sense to me as a reason to not have Holdo have pink hair. And that’s that, from the very beginning, it was an aesthetic principle of Lucas’ that Imperial designs had to use artificial colours (black, grey, white, red) whereas Rebel designs had to use natural colours (brown, off-white, forest green, sky blue). By that argument you could say that pink hair belongs on Imperials (/First Order, etc) which now I think about it I can totally see looking really cool*. But still, nobody’s really making that point against my argument here so I’m still struggling with the idea that some people in the Star Wars universe might think pink hair = unsuitable for an admiral, in an inclusive organisation who desperately oppose space fascists.

(*Ironically, idir_hh, I now have to answer your question of “I mean could you imagine how silly it would look on someone like Tarkin or Hux?” with “Perhaps not Tarkin since he’s such an iconic character, but I can certainly see other artificial colours of hair around an Imperial conference table!”)

Thanks for your input, folks.

idir_hh, I’m not sure about purple hair being childish or linked to low status though. Is that something established as a thing in the Star Wars canon? I’ve not read much of the EU. Isn’t coloured hair quite a common sci-fi trope?

oojason, I can totally see the idea of hair as a technical challenge, it must be particularly difficult in motion and with all of the different shades. Has anyone done anything the other way round? i.e. natural colours to unnatural?

I had no idea people linked hair colour to sexuality in the Star Wars fandom - is that explicit in the canon or just something the majority believe? (‘fanon’ I think it’s called?) Though Holdo doesn’t have a romantic subplot so why would her orientation be important?

Interesting. Is there anything else you’d like to change the colour of? Lightsabers, skin of non-human-colour aliens, etc?

Edit: That last one there makes me sound like I’m implying you’re racist. That’s not what I mean, I’m more saying aliens that aren’t a humanoid colour, i.e. blue, green, red, etc - are there any of those that your aesthetic doesn’t quite align with that you might change?

I’m not sure I follow that, how is it distracting/unfitting? I don’t think I’ve ever read anything about rebels having hair colours dependent on rank (if that’s what you mean, but I may be being naive).

Sorry if I’ve not been up with recent discussions, but what was broken about Holdo’s hair being purple?

Personally I think it’s been flawless so far, but by way of parodying criticism of the recent movies:

Too many self-serving winks to the audience that make the galaxy seem smaller, so:

• Remove background aliens we’ve seen elsewhere
• Remove jawas
• Remove baby yoda

Not enough links to existing content, so:

• Add more background aliens from other SW media
• Re-dub IG-11’s introduction so he claims to be IG-88
• Put yoda’s force ghost in the background when baby yoda uses the force
• Add dialogue to make it explicit that the Mandalorian is Boba’s son/clone and change his ship to the Slave I
• Replace the egg-rhino with the reek from Episode II

Mandalorian character needs tweaks:

• No dialogue
• All dialogue should be redubbed by someone with Temuera Morrison’s accent
• Also recolour armour to make him explicitly Boba Fett
• Mandalorians should be lone wolves and not accept help so don’t have him meet Kuiil (the Ugnaught)

Other necessary changes for my personal enjoyment:

• Werner Herzog’s character should be replaced by Thrawn
• Set it during the OT
• Set it during the PT
• Replace Carl Weathers’ dialogue with new dialogue cut from his appearances in Arrested Development. Baby, I got a stew goin’.
• Add John Williams score

Nice! That’d be great on a viewscreen, if it’s established in the canon that the development of that planet was happening in that timeframe. A nice additional touch might be to have it wink out as if that monitor’s been turned off (like then you hide a personal tab when your boss walks by).

I really like these. It’s not sacrilege to people like me, who grew up with the OT but would still prefer to be able to think of every episode as part of a whole.

It’d be my preference that any such edits used Adywan’s as a base (at least for ESB for now), given the huge progress he’s made in polishing them up to the best possible standard -though I don’t know how possible that is for editors.

RogueLeader said:

[Incomplete Death Star II Dish Chat]

This is an absolutely fantastic idea and solution.

In that case I revoke my joke and turn it back into a legitimate offer. My voice is hella posh.

I’d be happy to lend my voice to dub any stormtroopers Ady wants to dub back over with the original voices later.

I’m definitely on the ‘pro’ side of the droid head. The prequels happened. This is a very very subtle nod.

One of the options I think was considered a while back was removing Phasma from the end of TFA, so the Finn/Phasma arc starts in TFA then ends in TLJ, rather than starting and ending in TFA only to restart and re-end in TLJ. You then have the practicality of an alternative to bring the shields down in TFA, though.

What would be an appropriate recolouring? I imagine technical limitations will be the major decision maker there, but being ignorant of what those might look like I’d vote for black, with hints of green, effectively applying the colour scheme of the Death Trooper armour from Rogue One to Phasma’s armour. Looks like we’re not going to see black troopers in the sequel trilogy, so it’d make this new trooper distinct as a clearly important trooper while still being consistent with other imperial schemes.

That’s really fantastic - the only comment I have is that in the scene where Luke turns to her it’s a bit too foggy that the whole background looks white, as if you were going for an unreal dreamscape, but then you get more details. It was a little jarring, I’d tone down the fogging just a little.

Incredible, Nev.

Over a year ago I think he said it’d be all new, rather than the cargo shuttle from Rogue One. Though I’d certainly vote for the latter.

I don’t think you should be including bears on Ach To.

Yesssss!

BleuAsh said:

I really like what you have done here. I do think a jarring wake up right after she holds the lightsaber out and luke spins to see her is critical to bring it all together, it can just be a zoom in with her eyes snapping open. Then R2 can “wake” and then Rey can be in that meeting with the map because she already is awake and the following scene will establish how she will get there to Ahch-to.

I agree, missing a wakeup was just a touch jarring, I think it would be a necessary bookend to that scene. A little more dreamy visual effect could be good too, I think it was just a little too subtle.

Sir Ridley said:

DZ-330 said:

I’d love for SirRidley to make a version of the crawls with the actual titles if possible. Would be cool to have both versions for those who prefer the original titles.

I’ll consider it! Others have asked for that as well. I doubt Hal would make a separate edition of the films just to change a few words, but maybe he could have the crawls with original titles as separate downloads that could be edited into the films by those who want them.

I respect Hal’s right to title his own films how he rights, but selfishly I’d love to be able to trick my daughter into thinking that Hal’s are the versions as originally released.

Excellent, Hal. Looking forward to it.

As a big follower of Smudger’s, a fan of the Clone Wars content (fat trimmed), and of the MCU style approach as a focusing lens for an anthology-style show, allow me to say:

YES. DO THIS.

This is absolutely a great idea and I’ll help in any way I can. The Clone Wars deserves to be moviefied, fat trimmed, and refocused.

Colour correction isn’t a bad idea either.

Christ, Nev, how are you able to turn ideas into reality so quickly?

No particular opinion on that last shot, but I just want to throw my hat in the ring in terms of awe and support. Keep up the good work.

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