EddieDean

Oh boyyy! So exciting!

Thanks Hal for giving us such a fantastic light-touch fanedit baseline for these movies.

Agree that a Rey Nobody cut would be a great basis, in the same way as Hal’s TFA.

As a joke, I’d love to see a version of the “Rey who?” scene from the end of TROS, where she answers with her TFA line “None of your business, that’s who!”

While Clones are cheesy, they are part of the fabric of Star Wars. Plus there’s a precedent for the Emperor resurrecting like this in the EU. And I find the idea of his body surviving the DS2 explosion less believable.

idir_hh said:

krausfadr said:

idir_hh said:

Rey’s natural inclination towards the darkside and its Ramifications on her character and the plot need to be adressed. I always thought it would be interesting if we found out that she killed her parents the same way she “killed” chewie, maybe she was born with the darkside and her parents hated her for it, they decide to sell her to unkarr and leave the planet but in her rage she force electrocutes the ship, when she becomes so traumatised that she locks those memories away, in TROS we see her true nature unravel as the film progresses until we reach the climax where she must make the ultimate choice.

That’s a good idea too. Rey killed her parents. We see Rey’s visions of her friends dying. First Kylo tells her he buried her parents bodies on Jakku. She interprets this as he murdered them. He later reveals she’s the one who killed her parents. We then see Rey’s future visions again of her friends dying but this time see her as a Sith. In other words she will be responsible for their deaths.

Maybe the action of killing Chewie triggers a vision of her doing the same thing to her parents.

It’d sync especially nicely with the shot we see of them flying away. Technically near-impossible maybe, but it’d be great to see her pull their shuttle out of the sky (with lightning) in the same way she tries to grab the shuttle Chewie’s in.

“You don’t just have power, Rey. You have the ability to do whatever seems cool in the moment even if it’s not earned by character development or the tone of the scene. You’re a JJ Abrams character.”

“You don’t just have power, Rey. You have the ability to declare youreself anything you want to even if you don’t have the biological link to that family. You’re a Skywalker.”

“You don’t just have power, Rey. You have his high ground. You’re a Kenobi.”

Yeah. I think we’ve gotta go Palpatine = Clone, Rey = Nobody. It’s the cleanest of our options.

That’s absolutely lovely, RogueLeader. The toughest bit I can see with it is solving having Lando to go and collect the ‘New Republic’ fleet, and how relatively scrappy it looks.

Cat yowl is my favourite sound effect to see without a corresponding visual trigger, so I am 800% behind this.

Yeah, I don’t know if I ever actually watched Lost Chrono. It may be an unrealised idea. I used to have a spreadsheet putting it all in causological order but I can’t find it now!

Having checked the rules I believe this is an allowed post, though please don’t hesitate to remove it if I’ve missed something.

Hi folks,

There’ve been a few requests recently to make Smudger’s five Clone Wars edits available. The 1080p versions, which I have, are each about 10GB, so I can’t manage them with my Google Drive.

Can anyone advise on how I can upload them for free to somewhere so that I can share them (keeping them private and only available on request)? I can’t commit to regular monitoring of PMs so I’d prefer if someone who wants them can take ownership of hosting them.

RL, I think you’ve absolutely picked the best themes that you could craft into an epilogue. Good luck with that. I wonder, if you’re going to go that route then, that you could explicitly make ‘Luke handing the mantle to Rey’ your anchor more explicitly by even opening with the scene from the end of TFA with Rey approaching Luke, then an ‘X weeks earlier’ cut back to TFA, as unconventional as that is for Star Wars.

We see the Emperor die and the Empire fall (in ROTJ), then in EPILOGUE we zoom right into Luke. Here he is, a hermit being approached by an unknown, who offers him his own lightsaber. We skip back and learn she’s similar to him in a lot of ways. She gets wrapped up in the story, acquires that lightsaber, tracks Luke down with the mentality that he’s the hero who needs to be brought back into the fray. We’re back to the present. He throws the lightsaber away - ‘I’m not your hero’, and begins to train her instead. We’ve now had the torch passed to Rey (or, implicitly, rejected as being passed back to Luke!).

I presume we end on Luke’s death and Broom Boi - but what single act are we treating as Rey’s signature victory, that’ll demonstrate that the torch is well and truly passed?

I think your most important task here is to identify the core theme of your epilogue. Is it that Rey is the legacy to the Jedi? Rey is the legacy to the lessons Luke learned/the force? Are we seeing what happens next to the OT main characters? How the Galaxy changed as a result of the victory in ROTJ? That a permanent victory was achieved after ROTJ? That there will always be a struggle and always be someone new to pick up the challenge? Is it all Palpatine’s story (probably not)?

What are the themes from the OT that most resonate with you? - projecting that forward into the ST, which plotlines best support and continue and conclude those themes?

Keep the lesbian kiss, even though it is hamfisted and lazy and in no way makes up for the lack of proper representation, but because even so it’s still better than nothing.

Edit: Preempting any negative responses; representation isn’t an agenda.

Have PM’d for a copy.

Is this perfectly chronological? I.e., does it start with our characters on the island after they time travelled there?

At the time the original Chronologically Lost came out, there was another edit called Lost Chrono, I think, which wasn’t so much in chronological order as CAUSOLOGICAL order. That is, all flashbacks and on-island-pre-crash scenes came first, then the crash and island scenes up to the time travel part, THEN the time travel part, then the return to the present. For me that always felt more natural, because you’re getting the full story from the perspective of all of the characters.

For example one of the earliest scenes was with young Ben, where he gets shot (I think by time-travelling Sayid). So originally we saw young Ben, then him getting shot (but not by whom), then the story played out for a long time, we met Sayid, eventually he time travelled, and then when he shot Ben that whole scene played out.

Do we need to retain the Chewie fakeout? What if Rey just kills him and that’s it? It leaves a nice shadow over her character for the rest of the movie.

I think that entirely works, except for Rey’s death. I’d be sorry to lose some of the good Resistance scenes from TLJ but you’re right that they’re not vital to the core of what you’re trying to do here. I’d keep Rey alive though, mainly because it’s one of the few things that’s likely to remain important in the supporting Star Wars media for at least a few years - though that may not be a priority for you.

I agree with you, Rogueleader. I’ve always been in the camp of ‘all Star Wars is better than any particular Star Wars’, and that the tweaks that we make should preserve as much of the whole unifying story as possible. I would absolutely prefer to have an acceptable TROS with Palpatine than cut the movie entirely, I just think that that movie leaves so, so much to be desired that I think it’s worth exploring the option - at least in a Radical thread. Certainly I think the biggest necessary question (and the one with the biggest set of follow-up questions) is whether or not to retain Palpatine.

If we keep TROS and Palpatine, then our next questions are how to make that movie (and the sequels) cohesive, and you’re right that even dipping into the ending of ROTJ is sensible.

I think the biggest technical challenge in terms of improving TROS is having Finn’s arc worth something.

Yeah. It’s such a shame that Finn’s story went nowhere too. That storyline had so much potential.

Yeah. You had at least two other established ways of creating powerful force sensitives, as well as the standard ‘anyone can be force sensitive’ idea, which don’t raise the questions of ‘did Palps fuck?’ and ‘why isn’t his son more important to the story?’

I’ve thought about the sequel trilogy becoming more of an epilogue, but IMO it doesn’t justify itself well enough. The original characters in the sequel trilogy are (rightly) used to progress the new characters’ stories, and taken as a continuation of the original trilogy I don’t it serves to do what an epilogue should - to wrap up loose ends, to give closure. The only original trilogy character with new development is Luke, but his story in the absence of the main plot doesn’t really serve as a capper. Taken as an epilogue I think it would also undo some of the closure of the end of Return of the Jedi - a second Empire! Death Star 3! Another evil darkside guy! - it’s too samey so it undoes a lot of the progress made by the end of that film.

The best parts of the sequels were the new characters and their stories together - especially Rey and Kylo. The original trilogy characters’ stories in relation to our new mains were valid and valuable. The new threats - while almost exclusively old threats BUT MORE POWERFUL - at least gave our new characters good storylines in their own right, which goes most of the way towards justifying their existence (your mileage may vary).

In short, I think that the sequels have to be able to justify their own existence, otherwise why bother? I think the problem that we’re all mulling over on these forums lately is that TROS largely doesn’t justify existing, and it retroactively weakens the argument of the prior films by failing to deliver.

It’s an option. But if you remove Palpatine entirely you lose the majority of TROS. There’re probably some that can be used elsewhere, but you’re more looking at butchering TROS and putting elements of it into a changed TLJ, than retaining a three movie structure. You potentially could drop the entire Canto Bight plot if you needed to make space for new content. The challenge then is in finding a solid conclusion to the duology, making TLJ’s ending serve as the series ending - which as in my original post on this idea, I reckon you can only really satisfy with a Rey/Kylo confrontation.

My headcanon is certainly that Palpatine either ‘used the force to create life’ as he did with Vader, or cloned out Reys and Snokes and spare Palpatines. In both cases, the plan was always to have his soul inhabit the strongest, and his resurrection was his soul inhabiting a Palp backup.