EddieDean

NeverarGreat said:

I just stumbled upon this and was blown away. It uses this AI to create remarkably clear dialogue, and based on the spot-on pronunciation of the made-up words in that sample as well as some words which were clearly misread, this example was made by speaking the words to the AI and having the AI tune the voice to a specific character. If this is true, then it is a vast improvement over the FakeYou AI which failed to make the cut in my edit.

So what do you think? I’m thinking about a few choice discussions in the OT and how they could be transformed with a few edits from this AI.

I don’t know the original but it sounded very human-like. I’d be interested to hear some for our main characters. I did some work a while back to isolate all the Jar Jar voice lines so if this is trainable I have them on hand.

I’m not promising an edit, but given what you’ve said, and based on the idea that the non-Clone stuff is probably the strongest in season one, I’m going to take more detailed notes on my rewatch - in particular timestamps and quality notes for each section of each episode (Clone or non-Clone). That little table could be useful for either of us.

That said, I’m also going to return to TCW:R shortly, to spend some time on the final polish for season 3 (the last remaining unpolished section of the core).

I like that a lot too. I think your new ‘rising shadow’ is better than ‘darkening stars’. I’ve just rewatched Starlight/Rekindled/Ascendant and would still advocate for explaining that the Republic is demilitarised, because that really hangs over the whole trilogy (especially TROS, where no Republic fleet comes to their aid), but I appreciate it’s a complex thing to get across. I appreciate that Starlight includes the scene which gives the context that it’s largely Leia who’s behind the Resistance, and the Republic is hesitant, but it’s still a little odd that no military joins for the final conflict. Either way, it does work as is.

eiyosus said:

I had a lazy Saturday afternoon today, so I watched TFA Restructured, Poppasketti’s edit of TLJ, and I finally got around to watching Ascendant for the first time. I only saw the original once back during pandemic lockdown days in 2020.

Nice job to all the people involved! I gotta say, going from the “find me” line at the end of TLJ to the creepy line added to the first Wayfinder scene ended up being a fantastic lead in, even if it was unintentional. It got me pretty pumped for the movie.

The movie was okay, I watched the Rey Nobody version. Definitely better than the theatrical. Still wish all the characters weren’t total dicks to Threepio the whole way through though lol.

Anyway, I just wanted to give kudos to the work that went into this.

Funny you should mention this, because my six-year-old daughter just asked to watch the sequel trilogy (for the first time), and we just watched Starlight/Rekindled/Ascendant (Rey Palpatine version though). On this rewatch, knowing what to expect, I massively enjoyed Rise of Skywalker. Not just found acceptable, as in my previous rewatches - enjoyed. Without all the weaker shots, and knowing to accept Palpatine and some of the other suprises, and with the addition of the polish and new content, a lot of what was great about the original movie (and there is a lot!) really shone through. It helps to be free of four years of anticipation building, and come into this knowing what you’re getting, but I genuinely feel like the sequel trilogy works now, and that each episode in it is great.

Totally understandable buddy! Bad Batch in its current form, I think offers the least value of the SW shows (other than perhaps Resistance), so I think it’s right that it’s not a huge priority. I’m still working through the first season and will keep sharing ideas - but I’m starting to feel like it might be best served by a single condensed movie, just emphasising the Imperial transition and Crosshair’s betrayal of the crew.

Good to hear that Mando is more of a priority for you though!

I hope the house move goes very well!

That’s a really good point about not wanting to imply relatively equivalent power levels.

Your other paragraphs give me an idea though - what about hinting that the Republic fears that the First Order is backed by resurgent Sith? That would make the Snoke (and later Sidious) reveals a bit more punchy, and justify why San Tekka and Maz’s castle are early targets. But better, it would also justify why the Republic doesn’t want to explicitly validate the galaxy’s fears that force users are back in play - a fear that’s likely to still be prevalent, especially given that even the Jedi are feared because of the Old Republic/early Empire’s propaganda around Order 66. It also gives us a little early feel for what ‘The Force Awakens’ means.

You might even make it explicit that Lor San Tekka is a member of a force cult.

How about-

The galaxy is in crisis.
Luke Skywalker, striving
to restore the legendary
Jedi Order, has vanished.

Emboldened by his absence,
the evil FIRST ORDER, an
extremist remnant of the
fallen Empire, have
proclaimed from a hidden
base that anyone who
seeks the Jedi’s return
shall be destroyed.

Fearing involvement from
the resurgent Sith, some
New Republic Senators have
secretly organized a covert
RESISTANCE, and have sent
their most daring pilot to
meet with a member of a
Jedi cult, seeking any
clue to Luke’s whereabouts
amongst the darkening stars…

Hmmm. My only concern with this is that it turns the First Order into active belligerents, since threatening ‘destruction’ for seeking the Jedi is essentially a soft declaration of war on their part. I think that’s an issue, because the fragile peace between the First Order and New Republic is one of the main reasons why the New Republic doesn’t officially throw its support behind the Resistance. I still think there’s big value in emphasising the fragile peace, and less-but-still-some value to emphasising the First Order as a particularly extremist faction.

I’d love that! Let’s coordinate, so I can be sure to be sharing the final versions with you.

You’re right that TCW uses a slightly abnormal aspect ratio, so it’s not ‘true’ 720p by that measure. But still, it’s perfectly sharp for the quality of the actual animation. I don’t think you’d really notice any difference, even on a large screen, which I watch on myself. The video doesn’t have any compression artefacts.

Edit: Deleted, to give this new page a fresh start!

My edit plays in chronological order, though it does make some changes to the official Disney/Lucasfilm chronological ordering because I wanted to get some storylines kicking off sooner. But if you watch it end to end, it will not break either its internal canon or wider SW canon. So you can replace the original show with this.

This is 720p, not 1080p. My PC struggled with editing 1080p files, and also, IMO there’s very little gain for 1080 for this show, since the models and lighting are so flat, especially earlier on. I don’t think you lose much at all. There are one or two lower quality sources, but they are minor, and I don’t think you’d notice them. Some cut scenes are included, but again you wouldn’t notice a quality dip.

Credits come at the end of each of my episodes, and generally my episodes are each a full arc from the show. In a couple of places, an arc from the show is split over multiple episodes however, and each of these has their own credits.

Having said all of the above, you may instead prefer Numeraljoker’s edit, which doesn’t edit the content at all (in terms of shots/narrative), but which presents each arc as a single episode, all to 1080p+ and HDR (I believe). Where his is the original content to shiny quality, mine is designed to improve the narrative.

That’s tighter still, but I think the ‘former students’ line might imply that they’re going to be a feature of the trilogy, which they aren’t. Maybe a better angle would be to focus on the First Order somehow being more cohesive, extremist, and more of a threat than the other Imperial remnants? And/or something about the Republic not wanting to break the peace, hence the secrecy?

Something like-

“Not wanting to break the tenuous peace with the remnants of the former Empire, but fearing the rumoured rise of an extremist faction, several in the New Republic Senate have secretly authorized a daring task force to resist the rising threat.” -??

“Not wanting to break the tenuous peace with the remnants of the former Empire, several in the New Republic Senate have secretly authorized a daring task force to resist the rising threat of a rumoured extremist faction called the FIRST ORDER” -??

“Not wanting to break the tenuous peace, several in the New Republic Senate have secretly authorized a daring task force to resist the rising threat of the FIRST ORDER, a rumoured extremist remnant of the fallen Empire.” -??

You could maybe even bring something in to show that the Republic is largely demilitarised?

Wasabi, you’re being way too antagonistic for this forum. Like what you like, and feel free to request or encourage editors to consider the things you like. But once you’re asked to stop, stop and move on. Quit harrassing editors, and quit taking such a combative tone.

I think one of Nev’s intentions was to make it explicit that SOME senators are clandestinely supporting the resistance - without the Republic officially supporting it.

That’s really clear and good! The movie doesn’t really deliver on ‘maybe Luke’s deep in First Order territory’ but I don’t think it matters - it’s an interesting hook and implies that the FO have a good region of control.

That’s lovely - but I think the middle sentence has a little ambiguity at the end with how it’s broken by commas. I might just lightly rearrange it:

Fearing that the sinister
FIRST ORDER, heir to the
fallen Galactic Empire,
are behind this catastrophe,
a few desperate Senators
have secretly called upon
an intrepid RESISTANCE
to search for the last Jedi
in their domain of evil.

I’d also perhaps change ‘his’ darkening stars to ‘the’, just to remove the personal connection.

Huge congratulations!

As promised, I’m now watching through TBB, so I can put together thoughts for you from an editing perspective.

I’ve just started with the final three episodes of season one, and the first three of season two, to remind myself where season one ends up going as I commence my rewatch.

Thoughts:

• In terms of the key plotline, season one’s focus is primarily on the transition from Republic to Empire. There’s a lot of content on that theme, all of which is fine, but much of which in isolation isn’t too vital. But, the main throughline of Kaminoan-Imperial politics, internal Kaminoan politics, clones being phased out/replaced by stormtroopers, Tarkin, and Rampart, is very good, and I think represents the spine of the season worth keeping as much of as possible.
• In terms of the character plots, obviously the Batch themselves are key, in particular their relationship with Crosshair.
• Thankfully, both Crosshair and the Imperial/Kaminoan plots are largely unconnected from our Batch stories, so a lot of those scenes from otherwise unused episodes can be used pretty freely.
• For the Batch, they do need to have distinct and strong personalities, so I would preserve as much of the episodes which demonstrate their individuality and character as much as possible, but that doesn’t need to emerge from their more stereotypical behaviours, especially when used for humour. But I’d be mindful to keep their character in focus.
• Omega is a little tricky. She’s not awful, but she’s been fairly criticised as sometimes dangerously overestimating her abilities and taking risks, as well as a little too childlike for even a young clone. She is a good character and ultimately the heart of the show, but I think we can afford to give her the Grogu treatment - allowing her to stay a little more in the background, with character development shown a little more slowly. That said, people have also noted that a lot of the time she’s left behind, later causing problems, or taken along, later causing problems. I think some of that could be solved by dialogue trims - specifically having her be less argumentative when ordered to stay behind. It might strengthen her character if she’s a little more military/obedient, as if she recognises that certain missions are beyond her capabilities. I’d imagine most of the young male Jango clones would have behaved the same during their early training. I’d still preserve all of her key moments and more valuable dialogue with the other clones about who she is - but perhaps have her a little more comfortably junior given her level of experience. I’d also have her be a bit less anxious/worried/impatient in some scenes, for the same reasons.
• Cid needs to be established but doesn’t have much development, so doesn’t need to be in huge focus.
• I’d seek to preserve anything that ties back to or develops other key locations or characters - Rex, Cody, AZI, Ryloth, Cad Bane, etc.
• The other thing I noticed even in these six key episodes I watched, was that the show is very action heavy, even more so than Clone Wars, and, as much as I hate the word, it feels like some of their missions do contain a good amount of “padding” especially when they’re travelling from A to B within a mission. Sometimes I think whole sequences could be trimmed, removing a few steps from their plans/journeys, to get us to the meat a little more swiftly.

Finally, on those episodes I watched, I think all six were pretty vital (obviously, since they’re finales/premieres). The Gregor episode features Gregor (from TCW and Rebels) but also gets Hunter captured, transitioning neatly into the two-part finale. The very final episode of season one could probably do with some condensing, with a bit less travel and some combining of the scenes where the Batch and Crosshairs talk. As for the three episodes which opened season two, they were all pretty decent. The third episode could probably be woven nicely into the other two, since it’s a Crosshair/Cody story without the Batch, having Rampart’s execution of the clone on Serenno coming before his second scene where he shows doubt in Crosshair - doubt he doesn’t show in their first scene together.

Anyway, now I’ll go rewatch the earlier episodes with all this in mind!

Love this. I added the Anakin/Padmé scene to the first of my Siege of Mandalore episodes, so it kicks off that storyline. The scene ends with Anakin going off to battle - which in this context is instead the opening battle of that arc, so a simple wipe carries us through.

Oh that is really neat!

I watched your episode zero (taken from the Clone Wars series’ Bad Batch arc) and it’s all you could hope for. The original content isn’t particularly strong, but you’ve cut it exactly right, trimming the fat and keeping the focus on the Bad Batch characters. It worked as an example Bad Batch mission (introducing them all through the lens of Rex, and with Echo as the emotional core), and I was glad you completely removed the final episode for pacing and focus, using only its ending.

It works far better as an episode of the Bad Batch than it did as a Clone Wars episode, so I was glad you cut the Anakin/Padmé content (especially since I still used just those scenes in my TCW:Refocused edit elsewhere), and the Anakin/Mace content (which wasn’t very additive, except for the scene of Anakin killing Trench, which I also would have cut from this or TCW:R anyway as it’s too similar to other things we’ve seen in TCW, and Trench doesn’t need to be a major villain.

I have only three minor ideas you might want to consider:

1. Opening with a subtitle saying “Shortly before the end of the Clone Wars” or similar, to just clarify when this is set if you’re picking the show up after TCW/ROTS (which I reckon anyone should).
2. Since I’m a big fan of skipping the Citadel arc (as it’s just not very strong, despite Tarkin’s appearance and Echo’s death), and it’d be a while since the viewer had watched that anyway if they were watching in chronological order, I would look for an opportunity to include Echo’s death as a very brief flashback - perhaps during the scene you cut with Rex pondering over a helmet. I’m mainly asking this because it’d help me personally - some do want Citadel included in TCW:R, just for that scene alone, but it’s so throwaway - but it could add value to this episode since this is the first point in the overarching story when it becomes relevant, and you do have a good scene to embed it in.
3. This is a bit of a longer shot, but you could end this episode on TBB#1’s opening, the newsreel (perhaps without the newscaster’s narration), to effectively bring us up out of this episode’s extended flashback and back up to speed. That’d get that out of the way, allowing TBB#1 to begin on the actual drama, not an extended intro.

WitchDR said:

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Sorry for the late reply on this one! I will be doing extended episodes for some (mainly reinserting action sequences in longer arcs) but I don’t think I will for Mortis. It’s one of the few radical changes I’ve made that I think is really warranted - I’m passionate about my frustrations with the original episodes and I’m very proud of what I’ve been able to do to strike a middle ground.

Yes, it doesn’t make masses of sense now, but it does make Lynchian dream-sense, while still giving us the takeaways we need for the wider plot. The removal of motive for the Mortis Gods is extremely deliberate - should Vader in Luke’s Dagobah vision have a motive? No, he’s a vision-being.

With the Order 66 arc, I feel you. That was a tricky cut. The problem was, if we want to preserve Tup’s original escape, it’s loads of boring minutes of additional scenes required as a consequence. I know it’s not ideal, but at least with this new way it is addressed, via that line of dialogue and some reestabilshing shots to show time passing.

I probably won’t do Bad Batch #0 now, since Acbagel has gone and done that as part of his wider Bad Batch edit, which is really where that episode belongs. The scene that’s relevant to TCW in that episode is preserved by my edit.

I don’t intend to do Citadel, or at least, it’s very low down the priority list. Yes, Echo ‘dies’ in it, but in the most throwaway way. He’s not a main character in the arc, given no presence or development, then a casual explosion kills him and another clone shouts ‘Echoooo!’, after which nobody mentions it again. I don’t think it’s worth including the episode just for that throwaway scene, when others can reference Echo’s death later. The arc itself, while it has some good Anakin/Tarkin moments, is fairly poor too. That said, it’s the highest of the ‘low priority’ episodes, I suppose!

honestabe said:

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I see what you’re saying, but like Peonthegrate, I think these should stay as is. I’ve taken out a lot of spoilery content from The Cosmic/Living Force, with the rest I think only really serving as an obvious spoiler if you already know it.

Things like Anakin helping Yoda escape are the kind of plotlines I can’t really change. There’re a few of these, where you need to get characters from A to B, but don’t have any alternatives. I can’t make this show perfect - only better than the original presentation.

Haris123 said:

When it comes to new ordering of episodes should I follow what the spreadsheet says for watch order or the label of the file itself? Also where would revenge of the dith fit best in a watch order with your refocused clone wars?

Follow the spreadsheet over the file labels. RotS is listed in season 5 as if it’s an episode, which should guide you regarding when to watch it.

Yes please! ❤️