EddieDean

g00b said:

I’d go with the former! I feels like it’d make the most sense in terms of the focus for your edit. I’m also interested in the workprint 😃

Cheers buddy! The other reason I’d been leaning toward the former is because I want to avoid treading on your toes regarding Rebels - you’ve already worked through the whole show in a Refocused-style edit so why compete? It feels right to do something completely different.

Lots of work done on this movie today, which I think I’m calling FULCRUM OF THE FORCE. Still more to be done tomorrow, but I’m so excited to share this with you all. Allowing spoilers for Rebels has allowed me to play with the presentation of the narrative and chronology a little in an interesting way (without deviating from canon). I’ve cracked the overlap point where we transition from Ahsoka’s present to Ezra’s future, and got the right ending to bring it full circle, and what I think should be a fun beginning. I’ve just stitched the rest together so I can watch through a rough whole tomorrow morning and take notes for the remaining trims and polish.

First version of this will just use TCW conventions, but after gathering your feedback I might spin it off into its own thing with a traditional SW opening crawl so it can stand alone too.

Right, I’m going to make this rebels Recap movie in a fairly collaborative way, since there are a few interpretations for what this should be. So if anyone would like a copy of the workprint, please let me know and I’ll send you a copy.

The main question is: Should this be a true ‘recap’ in the sense that it’s really for people just catching up with Ahsoka’s story in Rebels before the Ahsoka show, having already watched Rebels? Or, should it be viable to watch this as its own thing without having watched Rebels, in which case it will spoil Ahsoka’s plot in Rebels but should tread more carefully around spoiling other content from that show?

I’m leaning toward the former, basically making this the final part of TCW:R (where Ahsoka is the main character), to show the aftermath of Ahsoka’s TCW story if you’ve just watched through. I think that’s the most useful and interesting, and the most appropriate for my focus. If I was to make a true standalone Ahsoka-in-Rebels movie, I feel like it’d be somewhat redundant, because the Ahsoka show is going to continue the whole of Rebels really, so you’d want to watch that entire show (or an edit of all of it) in order to get up to date. (Also, if I was going to make this a true Rebels edit, I’d want to make it a single movie-length episode that’d fit into a full series edit, which I’d rather not pursue right now.)

If I do go with the former, I think I’ll still skip over the non-Ahsoka content from the World Between Worlds episode, because I think we’re more interested in her perspective (since again, if we wanted all the Rebels stuff we’d just watch Rebels). It’ll be unique to watch it from Ahsoka’s perspective, but as this’ll be a recap for content we’ve already seen, we won’t mind the odd spoiler from what’s happening outside her story (and timeline).

Either way, if anyone would like to see how well it achieves those goals, let me know, and I’ll send out a workprint.

How long is that running to?

In an earlier draft, where you merged the two sets of armourer lines into one scene, I remember a bit of background noise from the rocky planet in some of her dialogue. Have you been able to remove that?

That sounds spectacular. Can’t wait.

This would be intended as a catch-up rather than for someone’s first time.

I’d also manufacture a scene using some other Vader lines, especially those from the extended pilot where he talks about hunting the children of the Jedi.

Hmmmm… An idea is forming.

Others have edited Rebels, both as movies and as TV-length episodes, but I wonder if there’s a worthwhile Rebels edit to be made specifically within the context of TCW, as an aftermath to this project - especially as an Ahsoka-focused recap in advance of her upcoming show.

I’m thinking specifically of focus on Ahsoka and Vader up to and including the season two finale, with a little more to make it a cohesive movie. It would transition nicely from Ahsoka and Maul’s last appearances (in the TCW finale and Ahsoka’s coda where she fights an inquisitor and joins the rebellion via Bail Organa) into her main actions during the rebellion - fighting Inquisitors, protecting force-sensitive younglings, and facing Maul and Vader. I’d also include her being pulled through the world between worlds to combat Palpatine there (but only from her perspective).

It’d be something like:

• Opening crawl to expain a little of the Rebellion, and that Ahsoka and Rex have joined the Phoenix Squadron rebel cell (which include a Jedi and padawan who survived the purge), but that they and all Jedi are hounded by Inquisitors - and Vader himself.
• Open on a scene from Fire Across the Galaxy, where Vader has tracked the Rebels, and they fight in the air, and Ahsoka senses Vader.
• Into The Future of the Force, where after the establishing scenes, we cut back to Ahsoka investigating Vader, before moving on with the Inquisitor vs babies plot. Epic moment where Ahsoka lights her white blades.
• Skip the opening of Shroud of Darkness (Jedi vs Inquisitors) and go into its second scene, where they discuss the threat of the Inquisitors (now having just fought them during the younglings story). Into the Jedi temple, for Yoda and the drive to go to Malachor.
• Brief scenes from The Mystery of Chopper Base, where the planet is discovered and the main Jedi leave.
• Into Twilight of the Apprentice, with all that fun drama and the threat of Vader, but having Ahsoka at the end rescued by future Ezra from A World Between Worlds. They explore that space (though we skip her seeing Kanan’s death) and she returns back, for the powerful ending scenes of that episode.

I feel like it’d work really nicely as an alternative to Rebels. It doesn’t expand on the rest of the Rebels crew at all, but it’d be the Ahsoka aftermath for those who want specifically that. It leaves some fun lingering threads to pull on if the viewer then chooses to pick up Rebels after, without spoiling much of that story.

We’d skip seeing Ahsoka join the crew, and her actions in the season one premiere, plus the episodes where Rex is hired. But otherwise, this’d be her full Rebels story. I wouldn’t add the show’s epilogue scene set after Endor, since that’s more about the full Rebels crew, and I’ve got a feeling it’s going to be replaced by Ahsoka’s content.

It would also follow the Kenobi series nicely, which introduces the Inquisitors, has that similar Vader/Obi-Wan conclusion, and leads nicely into the final-final coda with Maul vs Obi-Wan. The coda would also benefit from a little more introduction of Ezra in this proposed movie.

So it’s a single (long) movie then?

I’ve gotta say, isn’t Vranir just the guy? What an excellent set of feedback.

Anjohan, I’ll take a copy please, and I’d also be interested to see a bit of a description for how you’ve split the content across your edit and which major plotlines you’ve cut most heavily.

I’ve gotta get you a fleet line Hal!

I like “grab the armour” a lot. You could use your own voice for that tbh, with a little distortion.

Excellent visual edits to remove Grogu from Mandalore.

Yep, it’s doable. I’ll give it a pop at the next convenient moment.

That’s no worries guys, it’s my pleasure to produce this for you all! I’m always eager to get feedback so I can keep refining and improving it!

That’s the original transition! 🤷

PsyGemini said:

EddieDean said:

Ok then- let me know the time in my edit that she’s called by name and I’ll replace it with Stass Allie’s if I can, or cut around it if not.

Why not just change the episode number so the Citadel arc happens before the Pirates one? Or the opposite, having the Pirates episode after the Citadel arc? They’re very close apart already, shouldn’t cause any narrative problem. Otherwise, it’s gonna be very weird having “Allie” mentioned or just seen here and then… never showing up again.

Citadel isn’t part of the recommended cut of TCW:R, so it doesn’t get to impose changes on the higher priority episodes. I wouldn’t worry about Jedi appearing or disappearing, since they already do that a bunch throughout the original show and this one. I’ll see what I can do to remove the contradiction in Citadel, though.

bojangles said:

I love what you’ve done. you just gotta put a little more polish on it.

No editor’s ‘gotta’ do anything buddy, this is a hobby whose outputs we share with the community, not an obligation. But I will take a look at further polish.

Ok then- let me know the time in my edit that she’s called by name and I’ll replace it with Stass Allie’s if I can, or cut around it if not.

Yeah, but not the other one in the other episode!

Ah, yes. I remember looking into this a while back- conveniently, Adi Gallia has a lookalike, Stass Allie. You can headcanon that that’s her instead!

Can you expand on that? Where else does Adi Gallia appear?

(RE)RELEASED - S02E02 - Retribution (V2.1)

• RELEASE VERSION (at last!)
• Our second episode of season two, formerly called ‘Massacre’ in my edit.
• Comprising the original episodes Lair of Grievous and Massacre, with a couple of minutes from Brothers.
• Running 34 minutes.
• DOWNLOAD LINK is in the tracker spreadsheet, PM me for access.
• Note: It’s recommended that you download this before watching, rather than streaming it directly from Google Drive.

Update: This episode now has new dialogue to help smooth the two main plotlines and make the whole more cohesive. It feels much more solid now.

This episode is a continuation of the plotline established in the Nightsisters arc, which leads into the Savage/Maul plotline to follow. It’s placed here to allow us to eagerly anticipate and get to Maul within this season, and to make Ventress’ reaction to the events of the Nightsister arc come fairly soon afterwards.

It merges the plotlines of Lair of Grievous and Massacre, to present an all-new story. Lair of Grievous contained some interesting texture and good villainy for Grievous, but had a lot of filler and its emotional core wasn’t strong enough to stand alone. Massacre was always great fun, but it was really Dooku that had the personal grievance against the Nightsisters, not Grievous. So what I’ve done here is had Ventress leak the location of Grievous’ base to the Jedi, as a vengeful strike against Dooku and his war. Here that event is what now draws the Jedi to Grievous’ Lair (rather than pursuing Nute Gunray as in the original), triggering the events of Lair of Grievous. And now, when Grievous initiates the Nightsister massacre in Massacre, the events there (including Ventress and Grievous’ one-on-one duel) are more personal. This also builds on their dislike of each other as seen in the Domino Squad arc. Having Ventress be more directly responsible for the fall of the Nightsisters also adds a new layer to her guilt, which plays nicely with her original lines about this being all her fault, and helps justify the softening of her character that we see later.

Since Grievous has no visible mouth, and Dooku has his back to the camera quite a lot when he’s in hologram, I was able to do a lot of audio work to keep referencing the Nightsisters throughout the Lair of Grievous content.

I also end this episode with some scenes originally from the beginning of Brothers (where Savage finds Maul), showing Savage getting closer to finding Maul and having Dooku and Grievous ominously show further concern. My intention here is to create some anticipation and continue to make this show feel more serialised than anthology. (I’m not sure quite how well this works, so interested in feedback here)

Noteworthy changes (new changes in bold):

• This episode is titled ‘Massacre’ after the original episode, since I think it’s a good straight-to-the-point threat. However, now that this version includes some additional content which serves to make the plot more of a series of revenge strikes, I may rename it ‘Retribution’ after I’ve done a bit more work to polish this.
• The opening crawl reestablishes the risk facing the Sith with the various unexpected a results of the failed attempt to kill Ventress. It explains that Ventress leaked Grievous’ location, and makes explicit that it was only her that could have leaked it - which I needed to help explain why Grievous and Dooku tie the strike back to the Nightsisters.
• We open on Ventress returning to Dathomir, and being told by Talzin that she should become a Nightsister.
• Cut to Kit Fisto entering Grievous’ lair and them finding all of his weird artefacts, Grievous arriving, their first combat (where Grievous loses his legs), Fisto deciding to flee but being stopped by Grievous locking the doors, and Grievous undergoing his painful repairs.
• Transition from Grievous’ repairs into Ventress going through a similar procedure as she’s healed and purified by Nightsister magics, becoming a true Nightsister herself.
• Return to Grievous’ Lair, where he takes a call from Dooku. NEW: Used AI and alternate lines to make it clear that they know that Ventress/the Nightsisters are behind this, and that they need revenge so Grievous should mobilise his fleet - but that first, Grievous must deal with the Jedi
• Grievous kills Nahdar and Kit Fisto unlocks the doors, and I moved round some scenes so it looks like the right number of clones get killed without needing the fire pit or monster.
• After Kit faces Grievous and flees, Grievous is now free from dealing with the attack on his base. Dooku calls again. NEW: Dooku now congratulates Grievous, tells him that Ventress has returned to Dathomir, and urges him to hurry to attack the Nightsisters.
• NEW: Added back some establishing shots to help bridge the passage of time.
• NEW: Reintroduced scenes of Kit Fisto reporting to the Jedi - but used AI lines for Yoda to tie Kit’s experiences in to the overarching plot of retribution begetting more retribution.
• Back to the Nightsisters celebrating and getting immediately attacked by Greivous, and then the rest of Massacre plays out, with the only changes being making Talzin the one who raises the undead army instead of Old Dahka.
• Brief cutaway after the plot concludes, to Savage hunting for Maul. NEW: Instead of cutting away to Talzin (who should be incorporeal), used her dialogue over shots of Savage being guided by the pendant, to keep her aethereal, and give them more of an active conversation.
• End on the original Massacre episode’s ending, with Dooku sensing a darkness rising.

Minor update: I’ve reviewed my ‘Attachments’ episode and decided it’s fine as is. That one I wasn’t very confident about, but after a year and a half with no feedback, I think we can safely call it complete, not a workprint. But that means that with the next episode (see next post), that’s all the in-progress episodes of the main cut finished.

(That said, I have been considering using a mix of Lightsaber Lost and Grievous Intrigue in place of Attachments, because it really is quite weak, and those two are probably the strongest alternative. We’d lose a bit of showing Ahsoka caring for Anakin, which probably isn’t too vital, but gain in some better character development and a good near-success for Grievous.)

It’s been replaced by DREAMS OF DESTINY, which makes better use of that content. The remaining stuff will end up in a replacement TOTCW episode, albeit a much less important one.

It’s the whole thing (and more!)

All of this information is in the first post here - I’d recommend you give it a read.