EddieDean

I’d love a link please!

I know it’s not super popular, but it is canon, so how about something to do with Palpatine creating life? If he was involved in Rey’s origins in a similar way to how he was for Anakin, that would both make her his inheritor (‘granddaughter’ due to the age difference) and make her claim to be a Skywalker more logically valid. It would also explain why her parents want to get her away from him (they don’t want that life for their daughter), and why Ochi hunted her, and explains why he either wants to kill her (a threat) or capture her (an inheritor or even vessel). It’s also an option that will most likely be futureproof in the case of future content referring to her being his ‘granddaughter’, having his blood in her veins, or similar. Arguably, it keeps her as a nobody too, in a similar way to young Anakin born to Shmi.

It’d also now add a nice bit of irony in that, while it is a bit of a rehash, he’s now two for two in force-children turning against him and towards the light.

Edit: Sorry, this belongs in the radical discussion thread.

NFBisms said:

I could probably help out!

You absolute beauty! I’ll be in touch shortly. ❤️

The good, the bad, and the request for help:

The Good:

• I’ve completed the reordering for Movie 3. It’s far, far better paced now, and time passes consistently in all three plotlines, including around the time jumps, multiple scenes in a single day, and references to the timeline. I’m happy to call this scene ordering ‘final’, as it tells this story nicely - as nicely as the other three movies, at least. Everything gets its due the three plotlines are well balanced throughout.
• The majority of transitions are very smooth and flow nicely.

The Bad:

• There’re a few areas where the transitions don’t work - and I just don’t have the skill to fix them. I could pick up this skill, but as you may have noticed from my slowing down recently, I just don’t have the time to learn something all-new right now - specifically that of recreating foley whilst replacing music tracks. I’ve never done this before and wouldn’t know where to start.
• Much more minor, but I’ve cut two very short scenes to make this all work. One is just yet another scene of the prisoners doing their prison work (originally used to end the first prison episode), and one is a scene of the older prisoner (the one who dies) struggling to come back from dropping off another completed piece - though there’s still plenty of other scenes of him struggling. These removals aren’t ideal, but they are very minor in the scheme of things - I’m barely changing the show’s actual content.

The request for help:

• Is anyone with foley/music replacement skills able to help just get this last film over the line? I can provide a very high-res file, and full detail on the issue areas and their source content, I just need an experienced SFX partner. Worst case I will eventually be able to learn the skill, but I’d really appreciate the help because I’d like to get this one out to everyone sooner rather than later.

That’s really elegant, Nev. What would happen though if the upcoming Rey movie makes it clear that she’s Palpatine’s blood?

Sounds great. Is the plan now to add a little iteration to a couple of your earlier movies for story consistency, such as the beskar spear?

That’s a really neat idea, Nev. It bends the canon a little more than I’d tend towards, but it’s certainly elegant, and kind of retroactively wraps around the earlier films nicely. And it straddles Rey Nobody/Rey Palpatine nicely too- in this, she’s his ‘granddaughter’ in the sense that she’s his inheritor, a trainee or asset he’s known (of) since she was a child.

Yeah that’s the kind of thing!

That’s a really slick idea, JarJar. And Nev, for the ‘force SFX’, I was actually thinking dialogue of some kind, either Leia speaking when we see Kylo’s wound heal, or Kylo speaking to Leia over Leia shots, or both. Almost as if they’re connecting through the force, like Obi-Wan does to Luke a couple of times*, Luke and Leia do in Empire, or early Rey/Kylo interactions. Doesn’t have to be that they’re actually consciously conversing, so much as reaching out/connecting.

*Sure Obi-Wan’s dead in those instances, but you get my point!

RogueLeader said:

I don’t think there needs to be a ton of new lines setting up characters/plot points in TLJ. This might be a better convo for the General edit ideas thread instead of here, but I personally think the Max union dispute business, for example, should be cut from TLJ, and make it so she is just fighting the First Order on a different front. She goes on and on about how they needed to fight the First Order in TFA, but then she just settling a union dispute in the next movie? I think it makes a lot more sense if she is just busy fighting the First Order somewhere else. It seems like a part of the reason no one is helping the Resistance is because their allies have either surrendered or are already busy repelling the First Order blitzkrieg on other fronts. So I think the less we set up certain things the more modular this edit can be with other edits. It just depends.

I really like the idea of changing Maz’ dialogue to imply it relates to another front. I’m not thinking this through fully here (it’s early), but are there any other moments in the trilogy that this could be used to enhance? I’m thinking things like Jannah’s appearance in movie 3, the uprisings encouraged by Finn/Luke/Lando, or similar?

Lovely cuts and choices, I think the whole really works - but I don’t feel that the healing VFX is necessary beyond what was already there. I don’t think it necessarily adds the ‘Leia is involved’ angle you’re trying to emphasise (though I do think it’s clear enough). A Leia hand, or other ‘forcey’ SFX might be best.

That’s not a bad idea at all, especially since her force bond with the creature in TotJ barely has any analogue to her present day story - EXCEPT that there could be an implicit link to Morai. I’m not sure if it might pull focus from the core plot of the main episode though, and dilute both. What does everyone think?

Yeah, the siblings shot was a good looking one, but just far too explicit for me, even as a metaphor. And to address the prior comment about moving some of the Mortis content to other places - it’s a nice idea, and throughout the show I did look for places where I could shift good content from avoidable episodes to necessary ones, but ultimately there weren’t many opportunities where totally-removed episodes produced content that actively added value to a kept episode. I think the best example of that actually working was where I took the shots of baby Ahsoka meeting Plo Koon and put them in the Malevolence episode at the point where they’re reaching out to each other using the force. I think that ended up really beautiful.

Anyway, I suppose I should give a little update! I’d promised activity here and haven’t really delivered recently, though in principle this is still very much active. I’m struggling to find time to finish off that last bit of Andor, but once that’s done, I’m back to a bit more targeted polish here and there on this project, and especially the extended episodes.

These last couple of comments about the Mortis episode illustrate the problem with that episode nicely- it’s very divisive. Some people love the force deep dive, and some find it kills the mystery. I’m still broadly satisfied with the solution being to keep the magic whilst making it more inexplicit, as it treads the middle path. And the episode is necessary, due to Morai and further revelations in the Ahsoka show. I will though, as promised, release an extended version sometime!

That’s still in the potentially pile, but I’ve got a feeling there wouldn’t be sufficient value.

Any news on when we’ll see the next version? I’m excited now that TROS:A v4 is out!

NFB, any chance of a full movie version with your new audio, for those coming at this from the opposite direction? 😉

Heck yeah! Bagel’s back, baby! Love those final tweaks to movie 1. Lock 'em in! As someone commented on your AI voice line, I agree that it could be a touch rougher, but it does work.

Looking forward to the rest.

Did you settle on a direction for present-day Boba, Luke’s academy, and season three?

I’ll take a scran! Thanks Spence.

Obviously this is all in flux until the future content comes out, but maybe to shore up the little eight-episode narratives a little better (and accommodate the Loki 2/Ant-Man 3 content), it’d go a little more like this:

• PHASE ONE: TESSERACT (as per OP)
• PHASE TWO: ESCALATION (as per OP)
• PHASE THREE: DISASSEMBLED (as per OP)
• PHASE FOUR: AFTERMATH (as per previous post)
• FIRST INTERLUDE: THE MULTIVERSAL WEB (as per previous post)
• SECOND INTERLUDE: MULTIVERSAL MUTANTS (as per previous post)

And then-

PHASE FIVE: BRAVE NEW WORLDS
This one’s pretty incomplete so it’s mainly my dumping ground for as-yet unconnected items, all mostly showing us new faces and secret societies.

• Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
• Wakanda Forever (ideally would go a bit earlier, though it introduces a lot that’ll be more relevant after this point more than pays off stuff prior to it)
• Eternals (technically comes soon after the Snap/Blip, but I headcanon that the emergence is caused by an inevitable post-global-trauma baby boom)
• She-Hulk (has an Eternals cameo moment)
• Secret Invasion (seems utterly irrelevant to the plot of The Marvels, apparently)
• Moon Knight
• Werewolf by Night
• What If? season two (likely falls around here, since it might remix any currently released property)

THIRD INTERLUDE: MULTIVERSAL COLLISIONS
Focusing on concluding the outstanding plots and their assumed tie-ins with the MCU. That said, if X-Men '97 and/or Spider-Man: Freshman year become relevant to MCU canon, maybe this splits out into two seperate interludes again.

• Loki season two (Let’s put this earliest in the phase, as if the way it ends causes even more of the multiversal fuckery we see in these movies.)
• Deadpool (continues the Fox X-Men thread, plus his fourth wall breaks are also often multiversal)
• Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (introduces Miles and continues the collision of worlds. Also, these are just excellent so let’s just watch them as part of the expanded MCU)
• Logan (is excellent, and is spoiled by Deadpool 2 so must go before it)
• Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse (really shows worlds smashing together, especially through the spidery lens, and lightly implies it’s aware of No Way Home)
• Deadpool 2 (can go here since it features time travel, which is allowed to muck things up relative to Logan)
• Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse (we assume will conclude that trilogy, and may feature other cameos/tie-ins)
• Deadpool 3 (reportedly will bring both Deadpool and Fox Wolverine into the MCU, via the TVA, and is likely to be cameo laden)

It then seems like most of the currently announced projects should line up nicely towards the next Avengers movies:

• Echo
• Agatha: Darkhold Diaries
• Captain America: Brave New World
• Fantastic Four
• Thunderbolts
• Blade
• Avengers: The Kang Dynasty
• Avengers: Secret Wars

But we still don’t know where the next MCU Spider-Man or Shang-Chi will fall in that, nor Daredevil, Armor Wars and Ironheart, Wakanda, or Vision Quest.

Eh, it’s the one that slows the movie down for me 🤷

I definitely think ‘despair’ is stronger than ‘sorrow’. This is the state of the Galaxy - the loss of the Jedi would be more of an ‘oh fuck, anything bad could happen’ rather than a big ol’ boo hoo. I also think ‘facing extinction’ is stronger than ‘emboldened by absence’ (and the emboldening is implied enough either way). Those first two paragraphs I think Nev is right to have locked in.

That said, I don’t think ‘chaos’ is quite the right move (in the same way that I don’t think ‘overwhelming’ is) for the state of the Republic/Senate. Yes, the First Order have emerged, and they are ‘claiming supremacy’ over space BEYOND the NR, but I don’t think they’re an immediate threat to the NR. That’s why I think it’s valuable to emphasise that the scale of the threat is unknown (potentially huge). The NR doesn’t want to react in a panic, both because this might turn out to be manageable, and because it equally might turn out to be an existential threat - so that’s what’s causing at least a frustrating indecision and political deadlock. My feeling is that the NR would be paralysed by endless debates because (1) they don’t have enough information, and (2) a mis-step could be very costly both in terms of pissing off the FO and causing panic amongst the populace. Thus, our ‘brave’ senators decide that they have to urgently act (and without support), risking exposure and a reaction from the FO, for the sake of gaining hope, and more information.

Perhaps ‘fearing the scale’ could be worded better, but I feel like that concept is right for the third paragraph’s first couple of lines.

If Nev’s shutting this down that’s grand, buuuuuut-

I feel like that new wording implies that the senate itself is being oppressed, and that it’s commissioning the resistance as a direct response to feeling overwhelmed. It’s also kind of implying that it’s only the daring senators who are overwhelmed/oppressed.

I agree that it’s still a better angle than again reinforcing that they want Luke back, but I think those two lines could be put to slightly better use. Thinking about the angle here, we want to distinguish between the state of the Senate and the actions of the ‘brave Senators’. As for the motive, senatorial indecision is a bit bland, and anything too specifically political is a bit dry, but fear of an unknown which could be a huge threat could cover a lot of ground - explaining both why the Republic is hesitant to respond with force and indecisive, and why some want to act in secret.

So, perhaps-

Fearing the scale of this
emerging threat, daring
Senators have secretly
commissioned the pilots
of a brave RESISTANCE
to find the last Jedi and
restore the light of hope
to the darkening stars….

That way, the Republic’s struck by fear of a threat they don’t yet know the size of, but the ‘daring’ ones are acting in spite of that fear, which is nice and dynamic- if implicitly risky and desperate.

It’s coming along! Just needing to find the time- I might have some meaty time to deep dive it a couple of weekends from now. The third movie is an absolute beast- so much prison content, I need to rebuild a lot of audio transitions. But I’m chipping away.