And thanks to the supplementary media (comics, books etc) we now know that to be true. The intervening time period was lousy with ex-Clone-Wars droids being picked up and used by third parties.
^ Third vote in favour! It’s a lovely addition.
You could probably pull together a compelling enough narrative of the Ghost’s crew without Ezra in order to make a decent Rebels movie, then have his introduction later, perhaps reframed more as part of Kanan’s story.
^Or, perhaps, something akin to the Clone Wars TV-to-movie edits, but this time focusing on a different theme or two throughout. The beginning is largely Ezra’s story plus the introduction to the crew of the Ghost, but from then I could see you focusing on other characters or pairings more directly to make more solid movies, until the finale.
I’d also love a link!
Drop Maz’s sexual comment, but keep the milk scene! Luke’s a cantankerous old man now, and he’s trying to disprove some of his own myth.
Can’t wait for this; it sounds bang on.
Hal’s TLJ is for people like me who thought it was an impeccable film with just a handful of niggles. It makes some very smart little cuts just to shorten some of the more immersion-breaking humour (while keeping the film funny), and its main cut is the Fathier chase and other elements on the casino planet (the Finn story, as you mentioned). Well worth your time.
Too early to ask about Ep6? 😃
Edit: Should have been PM
Awesome, I look forward to seeing it!
Please update for V, now that it’s out. Also, you should change the period in the title to a question mark.
Done. And tweaked based on some feedback from smudger in the Fanedit forums. Once I’ve done my rewatch of smudger’s movies, I’ll also do a polish pass on this list. I’ll check the non-moviefied episodes for chronology and quality. Quality will be subjective but that can’t be helped.
I’ve had one for my colleagues for the last few years, I’ve refined it now with as much info as I can glean about the current plan for the movies, from all of Smudger’s previous comments on Fanedit forums and here. It aims to give as much info as possible - original order, chronological, arcs, quality, inclusion in Smudger’s movies and proposed movies, and a hybrid ordering for if you want to watch the movies alongside the episodes not included.
Image defaulting to hybrid order (what you were asking for above) here: https://imgur.com/a/kKpdar1
Or you can play around with the list via filters here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wUlU_myy1Jgn2S59_fvuddCGpjQw3KTmav79lr0KeyI/edit?usp=sharing
Edit: Smudger, I’d welcome your input if any of that’s inaccurate!
Great discussion here. I love the idea of the Reydream including the tree and the books with a little voice echo, though think active pushing from Force Ghosts is maybe a little much.
The idea of having Maz be the holder of the location of the Resistance base is great too.
I’d hold fire on the explanation of how Maz got the lightsaber though, at least until we’ve seen Ep9. It was last seen falling from Cloud City, and with Lando returning, there’s a fairly likely chance that gives the writers a neat Lando > Maz angle.
I just watched your latest version Hal and it’s absolutely magnificent. Subtle changes which overall just tighten up the movie fantastically. And I thought the entire Canto Bight plot was seamless and not jarring or too minimal in the slightest.
The Finn/Rose escape from Snoke’s ship is still a little problematic, with underwhelming Phasma and the cartoony BB8/AT-AT segment, but I can’t really see other options there.
Brilliant, brilliant work.
[Hyperventilates in aurebesh]
Looks like the larger arcs not yet covered are:
I think that’s everything not already covered by your series.
From (poor) memory:
Corruption was I think just Ahsoka
Citadel was Anakin and Obi-Wan
Umbara was clones, then Anakin later(?)
Kadavo was Anakin and Obi-Wan
Onderon was Anakin, Obi-Wan(?) and Ahsoka
Clovis was just Padme
I think you get most bang for your buck in terms of continuity with the whole saga with Citadel/Umbara(no Anakin) > Umbara (Anakin) > Onderon, peppered with as much decent Mando stuff as you can get in there. But that’s without taking into account quality, length of time, transitions, etc etc.
If it were just me, though this is probably unpopular opinion, I’d be happy to just have a ‘misc’/anthology episode for the sake of keeping as much content as possible rather than worry too much about structure.
Looks fantastic Smudger! When’s the full ep5 due to drop?
Do you have plans to dive into episode 6 now or will you take a break?
I’ll put an audition video together!
Anyone aware if the re-do of EpIV was released in the end no reply from PM can imagine Smudgers inbox is quite busy at the moment.
I PM’d Smudger for it but got no response. Seems like he’s been pulled away from the project for the time being.
Sorry, I meant to write “I don’t think that loving someone equates to whipped, so I don’t think your analysis really proposes a candidate for editing”, then I got carried away. You’re right, our discussion above has no place here.
I don’t think that loving someone equates to whipped. My reading from those scenes was that he had a deep platonic, romantic, and sexual relationship with someone who was his partner in crime, his partner in survival, and probably the only significant and non-exploitative relationship he’d ever had. We as an audience can sympathise with his desperation at wanting to get back to her to help her. That’s relatable to me, and doesn’t include a power imbalance (which ‘whipped’ would imply).
Then, we’re taken on his journey of tragedy as he sees what’s happened to her in his absence. At first he believes that she’s been merely exploited, but by the end of the film we realise that her survival instinct has forged her into something darker, who would sacrifice this positive and healthy relationship at the altar of power. It’s significant to Han that she was willing to sacrifice trust and support and human connection with Han for this - more so than if she were just throwing away a friendship.
I think that aligns perfectly with what we know of Han at the start of the OT. He’s burned out on love, doesn’t trust even deep connections or others’ trust in him, and while attracted to Leia is callous and harsh with his attraction. He’s built a wall of cockiness and swagger to protect him from a deeper connection, and when he returns at the end of ANH he’s not just returning to the rebellion but also returning to an adoptive family of mutual trust and support. Even as he’s dropped into carbonite he struggles to reciprocate Leia’s love - that’s more powerful knowing what mutual love has cost him before.
I like your first one, Poster2.jpg.
I’ve no idea what Phrosted means.
I’ve taken a crack at a spreadsheet to record issues and their resultant scene fixes, for those who think there’s value there. Here’s a screenshot with the first example. Feedback welcome.
Wow, this thread is moving fast. It’s already getting a little difficult to get a handle on.
I’d expected it to take a very top-down approach, which is what I’m used to at work, but it seems like this thread is naturally leading towards a bottom-up one, where individual issues are being raised and discussed and solutions around them are forming.
That’s not a criticism at all, either is valid and will yield good results, but top-down and bottom-up can’t really both work together, at least not in a loose environment like a forum. So let’s lean into bottom-up for a moment and think about how a bit of structure might help.
If we’re going to be generating issues for discussion, instead of trying to find a coherent shared approach for movies, let’s see how well we can fix those issues by editing individual scenes, as a few people already have to great effect. I’d propose building a library of edited scenes in order that we can settle on which components warrant inclusion at a later date. This way, we focus on practicality without needing to come to a consensus right now. And if we have edited scenes to hand, it takes the pressure off a single set of edits - editors can simply select the elements they prefer the most. And it also takes the main editing pressure off individuals, since snipping and reordering scenes is one of the easier editing tasks. We can also, with permission, take edited scenes from existing fanedits with consent, and avoid repeating work.
Let’s take the Dooku is a fallen Jedi example - some are unhappy with his red lightsaber, so want it rotoscoped. We’ll list that as an issue, then if a capable VFX editor can make that change we have the scene available for production.
Does this resonate? If we focus on individual scenes rather than high-level goals it allows for practicality to be chief while leaving room for personal preferences down the line.