Easterhay

adywan said:

...the Prequels almost universally hated by SW fans...

Wow. I've just read over the page about Chewbacca looking different in ROTS to how he looks in the OT. Amazing how some things that never registered on my own radar seem to matter so much to others.

I mean, even now that the difference between the costumes has been pointed out to me (and I honestly never noticed before) I still couldn't give a toss.

I think it was essential to show Vader's face at the end - to not have done that would have been a cop out and Sebastian Shaw's scene does bring closure to the story of Anakin. As you say, that was the whole point of ROTJ. And the notion that fans would never look at Vader quite the same again...well, again, that was the point.

I think it's a stretch to say that Kersh was saying the prequels shouldn't have been made, though. After all, he'd directed a film whose subtitle was Episode V - he must have known that Lucas would, at some point, make films beyond the original trilogy.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Easterhay said:

But joining the dark side is equivalent to becoming a Sith; that's what crossing over to the dark side means.

So, does this mean the dark side didn't exist until the Sith did? 

You have no heart, DuracellEnergizer; that sequence still chokes me up.

As for the EU, it's a separate entity. Even more so now.

Thanks.

It is a great read. I do like Dave Filoni. He really had his work cut out for him with TCW as Lucas would make pretty tall orders - bringing back Darth Maul, for instance - and leave it to Filoni and his team to work out how to pull off such ideas. I remain a firm fan of TCW and feel it was a great extension of the prequels, continuing the feel of those films whilst also bringing something to the mix that the prequels lacked: chemistry.

Now, it seems Rebels is going to be a lot more like the OT, dropping the darkness of TCW (political-heavy storylines and Anakin's troubling dark side) for the breezy style of episodes four-to-six. Definitely something to look forward to.

Of course they would. Striking down in anger is a big step towards the dark side. By your own admission, you don't understand. I can't do any more than direct you to the dialogue from the films, I'm afraid.

generalfrevious said:

You know... I just don't remember the chewbacca tarzan yell at all In Jedi; I'm not sure if it was in the original or added in the SE. But that's me: I didn't even remember the Greedo shoots first scene when I saw the SE in theaters.

What?

By striking down Vader in anger, you're saying that those means would achieve the end of the Emperor and his empire. And I'm saying you're wrong, based on... well, take your pick, really, from various lines of dialogue throughout the films about striking out in anger and using your powers for attack, not knowledge or defence.

That act alone, striking down Vader, would be an act of darkness. In such a case the end does not justify the means.

Only by taking the non-violent path, does Luke destroy Vader and the Emperor.

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I highly doubt ROTJ would be much different film in its core. After all it was still Lucas who was creative director behind ESB and ROTJ...I think in its core ROTJ would be the same whether Lucas stayed at home during principal photography or ran around the sets. He may let Kershner freely direct actors in ESB, but he didn't let him do any major changes to what he cooked up in the pre-production. So as you said, there would probably be clashes if Kershner tried to change anything for ROTJ which would probably have negative effect on the film. Those who think Ewoks would not be in the film are just naive.

darklordoftech said:

Am I the only one who hates how everyone who turns to the dark side joins the Sith? It makes absolutely no sense to me. You don't switch sides upon becoming a bad person.

Sate Pestage is from TESB, not ROTJ.

lovelikewinter said:

My thought was why couldn't they have tried to make him look like he was 45ish instead of 23.  It was a half-assed change.

I think the idea of a film about Yoda's early years was only ever a rumour and pre-dated the franchise being sold to Disney. That's how I seem to remember it, anyway.

I think I'm even less enamoured with the idea of the standalone films than I am with the new trilogy, sad to say.

Wow, I'd almost forgotten how negative Star Wars fans can be!

I think the trailer has enough of a Star Wars feel to it to make this appealing. That and the fact that much of the same team from the excellent The Clone Wars series is behind this gives me a lot of hope. I'm certainly looking forward to this a lot more than the new films.

I was gigging so it was a Star Wars-free day for me. Before heading off to the show, though, my son did say "May the fourth be with you, dad. That means you're going to have a great night."

I like the sound of The Ancient Fear as a title (I nabbed the fake episode three title The Creeping Fear for my own version of episode seven some time ago). And I think Max Von Sydow should play the titular villain.

Reservations remain fully intact, though, on account of there being an absence of a certain bespectacled, bearded bloke in a lumberjack shirt from the photo of the read-through released last week

I doubt it. The idea sounds dull as dishwater to me, personally.

I was being sarcastic.

Really enjoyed that.

Because the disc on which Yub Nub appears is a disc of extras, combining cues from all three films. The ESB take is the one from the film, not the one released on the album, hence its inclusion on disc four.

Anchorhead said:

As an uber Genesis nerd since the 70s, this is a subject that is very big in my world.  Way too many to list, so I'll just drop in a few of my favorites.

 

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<span style="text-decoration: underline;">The Colony Of Slippermen</span>

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The Arrival

Rael:
I wandered lonely as a cloud,
Till I came upon this dirty street.
I've never seen a stranger crowd;
Slubberdegullions on a squeaky feet,

Continually pacing,
With nonchalant embracing,
Each orifice disgracing
And one facing me moves to say "hellay".

His skin's all covered in slimy lumps.
With lips that slide across each chin.
His twisted limbs like rubber stamps
Are waved in welcome say 'Please join in.'

My grip must be flipping,
Cos his handshake keeps slipping,
My hopes keep on dipping
And his lips keep on smiling all the time.

Slipperman:
"We like you, have tasted love.
Don't be alarmed at what you see,
You yourself are just the same
As what you see in me."

Rael:
Me, like you? like that!

Slipperman:
"You better watch it son, your sentence has only just begun
You better run and join your brother John."



A Visit to the Doktor

Slipperman:
"You're in the colony of slippermen.
There's no who? why? what? or when?

You get out if you've got the gripe
To see, Doktor Dyper, reformed sniper-
he'll whip off your windscreenwiper

Rael:
John and I are able
To face the Doktor and his marble table.

The Doktor:
Understand Rael, it's the end of your tail.

Rael:
"Don't delay, dock the dick!"
I watch his countdown timer tick......


The Raven

He places the number into a tube,
A yellow plastic "shoobedoobe".
It says: "Though your fingers may tickle
You'll be safe in our pickle."
Suddenly, black cloud comes down from the sky.
It's a supersize black bird that sure can fly.

The raven brings on darkness and night
He flies right down, gives me one hell of a fright.
He takes the tube right out of my hands
Man, I've got to find out where that black bird lands.

"Look here John, I've got to run
I need you now, you going to come?"
He says to me.

John:
"Now can't you see
Where the raven flies there's jeopardy.

We've been cured on the couch
Now you're sick with your grouch.
I'll not risk my honey pouch
Which my slouch will wear slung very low."

Rael:
He walks away and leaves me once again.
Even though I never learn,
I'd hoped he'd show just some concern.

I'm in agony of Slipperpain
I pray my undercarriage will sustain.
The chase is on, the pace is hot
But I'm running so very hard with everything I've got.
He leads me down an underpass
Though it narrows, he still flies very fast,
When the tunnel stops
I catch sight of the tube, just as it drops.
I'm on top of a bank, to steep to climb,
I see it hit the water, just in time,
to watch it float away.

Well, that's what I thought (although I'm quite content to consider both Clone Wars and The Clone Wars to be equal to the films in terms of authenticity).

What I hate about the EU is that there's simply too much of it. And I can't believe that most of it can be that good, really.

Burdokva said:

The OT was never solely about the redemption of Darth Vader, or even about Luke becoming a hero. Watching the OT I was as much involved in the fight of the Rebels against the Empire as that of Luke's personal story. It wasn't just a background for other character events, rather it was a developing story all of its own.

The PT had none of this. Endless, poorly edited "battle scenes" for the characters supposedly doing something in while not on (horribly monotonous) sit and talk scenes. As RLM put it, people in the ST mostly just sit/walk and talk if not involved in bad CGI pew-pew nonsensical battles.

I don't mind seeing Anakin's fall tote Dark Side if it was one part of a larger story about how the Republic fell and the Empire came to be. One that made some sense and had an emotional impact for the viewer, that is.

Also, I seem to be in the small minority on this but seriously, Anakin became "evil" out of love?! That was not only cliché. It didn't make sense. Anakin should have become Darth Vader out of wanting power. Maybe of a misjudged sense that "his" way was better and had to be enforced even through power and terror; because he wanted vast fleets and armies to make the world as his will. Not because his wife was (supposedly) about to die at childbirth... eh...



What I'm most afraid about the Sequels is that they'll pull of the same soap opera routine as the Prequels did. Not a space adventure, not even a war story in space. Just plain afternoon episodic drama with some CGI crammed in.