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Oh, I daren't go there!

If it's been decided here that EU is canon, well I have better things to argue about to be honest!

Anyway, isn't The Clone Wars canon? Which means it's not EU, correct?

skyjedi2005 said:

Clone Wars.

I hate that Boba Fett was no longer a mandalorian because Jango was revealed to not be one in the clone wars cartoon.  Never liked Jango but by extension Boba was no longer a Mando.  Extremely stupid.

Disliked the Return of Darth Maul.

Hated Maul's brother and insipidly stupid name Savage Oppress.



Anyways its all the same as i said before verbatim.  Lucas additions to the series were shit.  Just as his input into the force unleashed games was.

The stuff Lucas had no hand in was easily better than the prequels.

Such as...

skyjedi2005 said:

darklordoftech said:

The Luke-Vader-Emperor scenes in ROTJ are truly underrated. Vader's redemption makes me cry every time.

 Yeah as long as its the version without the noooooooooooooooooo!

Another horrible addition that borders on trolling.



Yeah Lucas thinks he is clever.  Chewie does the Tarzan yell in the original 1983 version of return of the Jedi so he thought I'll make Vader in rots Frankenstein's monster.  At least we were spared his Tarzan han solo.  growing up with the wookies and being chewies bro.

deepanddark20 said:

My whole life, I have never been a fan of ranking the Star Wars movies above/below each other when it comes to episodes 4, 5, and 6. I have always placed all 3 of them on my highest rank for movies. So I would be hesitant to call RoTJ the "best" movie in the trilogy like the title of this discussion thread does, but that's not because I like ANH or TESB any better.

Having said that, I must admit that the perspective which considers Return of the Jedi to be a significantly inferior achievement to ANH and TESB is a very common one, and many of the reasons given for this perspective are very compelling to me. But it's a perspective that never occurred to me before I read other people expressing it. Which leads me to my next point:

Something just seems really wrong to me about the following scenario: I hold my top level of movie love for Return of the Jedi my whole life into my 30's, and then suddenly I read what people say about it on the internet and it's no longer one of my favorite films. I'm not advocating closed-mindedness, but no matter how much sense people's criticisms of RoTJ make, that scenario doesn't feel right.

I don't have a reasoned-out counter argument for many of the criticisms people level against Jedi. All I know is this: when I sit down to watch it, I have as good an experience as I can expect from a movie. If I read people's criticisms and feel one way, but then watch the movie and feel another way, I think I'll go with the way I feel from actually watching the movie.

I don't appreciate people feeling the need to "explain away" how I feel about Jedi by assuming that I must just be blinded by nostalgia or some other factor, as though the critical opinion of Jedi is the "correct" one and mine is the "biased" one. If we're honest, we can admit that all of our opinions are subjective.

And for those who insist that it makes no sense to love Jedi but hate the prequels, get ready for this: I think the prequels are a suckfest from episode I all the way through episode 3.

DuracellEnergizer said:

deepanddark20 said:

When I complain about the acting/dialogue in the prequels and someone responds by saying "well c'mon, the Star Wars saga never had great acting/dialogue", I want to rip my teeth out.

Change "rip my teeth" to "gouge my eyes", and I'll agree 110%

FrederikOlsen said:

Here's the deal: Matthew Wood said this. The same Matthew Wood who can't tell the surround channels apart, doesn't give a shit about the Force-fanfare and screamed his brain out at a parking lot just so he could get to play Alec Guinness playing a Krayt dragon.

"Mindblowingly awesome" is probably the least fitting description. I don't trust this man.

doubleofive said:

darth_ender said:

My understanding is that the redub was not JEJ recording a new line, but rather a discarded line originally intended for ANH.

http://filmsound.org/starwars/starwars-AQ.htm

I will always call BS on that. No one uses the word "stardestroyer" in the movie, and Vader never left his ship that he would need to alert it to prepare for it! He starts on the SD, moves to the Blockade Runner, is on the Death Star, then on his TIE Fighter. Where would "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival" fit in? When he left the Blockade Runner? I know the rough cuts were long, but that's ridiculous.

FrankT said:

I thought... "this isn't the way I remember it".

wymjadalt said:

There is a possible way to not mention too much about episodes 1-3, but it will determine what episode VII will be about. I for one would like to ignore the prequel trilogy all together. I still to this day can't believe George Lucas actually made those movies, even though they have their moments, but overall he missed the exhaust port with these movies, so in saying if Abrams is smart, he'll ignore them all together and start something new.

Jabba ran the place because the Republic didn't give a tinker's cuss about Tatooine - that much is revealed in the script. By the time of A New Hope, the political situation was completely different. You had martial law and regional governors.

Why does this even need to be explained?

Oh, and the MacGuffin of The Phantom Menace is the blockade of Naboo, much trumpeted for its dull exposition in the opening crawl. It's merely a cover for the ascent of the Sith.

You think that criticising someone's comment or their standards is making a criticism about them personally? "Your taste in ties is awful" equating to "you are awful" for example? "Your politics are abhorrent" being the same as "you are abhorrent".

What an interesting (and somewhat limited) outlook.

You ought not to concern yourself with my posting history, bingowings. I don't recall being anything other than civil to you on this forum. I think I'll have to be more careful with you in future, though; looks to me like you're keeping some sort of record on me. I'm not really into stalkers, thanks; I get enough of them in the real world, let alone in cyberspace.

I'm just amazed that zombie didn't know there were three Prune Faces in ROTJ. I spotted that ages ago and I don't even have a book out :)

Mod-in-waiting alert.

I said his standards were shallow, not the man himself. If you're going to step up to the plate, Bingowings, at least be well prepared.

Jackson is an unashamed fan of the films and clearly enjoyed the prequels enough to still be involved - don't judge everyone by your own shallow standards, georgec. I remember seeing Jackson make his plea to be in episode one way back when he was on TFI Friday; he was giddy as a schoolboy. It doesn't matter so much that it would be hard to justify Made Windu being in the movie but, as Tyrphanax says, it's great to see an actor with passion for what he's done, enough to want to come back for more.

"I wonder what happened to poor little Artoo. He's always getting himself into trouble." Always gets a big laugh from me. But then I still laugh at Jar Jar getting his head trapped between the power couplings.

The reference to sitting ducks makes sense given that we see ducks in Theed. Well, they look like ducks anyway.

And Anakin saying "from my point of view the Jedi are evil", well earlier in the film we see Palpatine going on about "points of view" (and I don't mean the BBC programme where people with better things to do write in to complain about the quality of Auntie Beeb's programmes) so I've always taken that line as being that of an easily manipulated character who still somehow knows he's in the wrong and is desperately trying to justify his actions (in the same way that I'm trying desperately to defend the dialogue in the prequels).

Nice avatar, Bingowings.

I know what astute means. I just don't like catbus's attitude or the way he puts himself across. His latest post does nothing to alter that impression and I doubt he'll be making any efforts in the future to change that.

Funny, though, how many big talkers one runs into on internet forums - they never seem so brave when someone squares up to them in a bar.

I don't think it's weird for Ewan to have shown such interest at all (is that Malcolm McDowell as Luke Skywalker in that picture by the way?). Ford, Hammill and Daniels have made less-than respectiful remarks about the films in the past, doesn't mean they hate the movies or Lucas. Good lord, people read such a lot into so little, just to support their existing negative outlook.

"Loath"? And this fella's taken it upon himself to rewrite the prequels?

How come they were able to blow it up, though? "That armour's too strong for blasters."

Whenever I see your posts, zombie, Frank Zappa's "Zomby Woof" always comes unbidden into my head. This is shortly followed by the recognition of Iron Maiden's Live After Death album cover as your avatar. So, whilst I am thankful to your exhaustive knowledge of all things Star Wars, I am even more thankful to you for reminding me of such great music :)

I know. Lucas was joining a lot of dots best left alone, I think. It completely ruins the pacing of the chase sequence and I still don't think that's James Earl Jones despite being told it is!

Yeah, he's the enforcer of Palpatine's will really isn't he? 'Muscle with parlour tricks' as someone once described him in ANH.