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Yeah, I don’t imagine anyone has much left to say about the individual OT films to make a separate thread for each viable.
That is an interesting perspective. I think the importance of Vader’s redemption rests on the father/son dynamic, and I don’t know if a political motivation would have resonated with people on the same level as what we got.
I think it would’ve been possible to channel one through the other, have Vader’s dying for Luke only a component of a larger sacrifice for the greater good. It would’ve taken a better script than the one we got, or at least better direction.
Well why the hell did Vader deserve redemption? At least Kylo had layers, some obvious conflict. The great thing about the TROS version is that Kylo’s redemption was a by-product of what was going on. Rey was on mission (both in the DS wreckage and on Exegol) and Kylo’s turn around came about as a consequence of their interactions (and Leia’s death) - not just a matter of Rey throwing everything aside to win his heart. Luke’s entire focus on DS II was saving Vader when he should have been fighting the Sith with every last breath. The idea that Luke became some kind of legend for this is absurd to me. So I absolutely prefer Kylo’s redemption over the cockamamie “Vader was really just a nice dad and you should always support your dad” thing of ROTJ.
I’ve never seen someone who hates Vader’s redemption before, so this take seems really bizarre to me. If you don’t think Vader had any conflict in the OT, did you even watch those movies? Throughout the trilogy, Vader just seems tired of being the Emperor’s lapdog. When he finds out his son is alive, that becomes his only focus. He was already in a position to be redeemed by Luke, he just needed the push of seeing the Emperor torturing his son. So I don’t think it’s some kind of “support your abusive dad” message, and I feel like the idea that Luke should be religiously focused on fighting the Sith goes against the principles of the saga. The old Jedi were wrong because they were focused on fighting the Sith, and they couldn’t see the manipulation occurring right under their noses. Luke managed to see through the darkness and redeem his father, ending the Sith once and for all.
There was nothing pre-ROTJ to indicate Vader was a conflicted soul. This is primarily because he wasn’t - Lucas hadn’t written him to be the fallen Anakin Skywalker until very late in the process. So ignoring his actions from within the Empire let’s consider Vader from Luke’s perspective - Vader’s dogged pursuit of the DS plans led to the grisly death of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, he tortured Leia on the DS, he killed Obi Wan right before Luke’s eyes, he shot down Luke’s comrades during the DS battle - one of whom was Luke’s boyhood friend, he tortured Luke’s friends on Bespin just to get a rise out of Luke, he beat the crap out of Luke and offered joint custody of a new fascist Empire, and finally Luke was so horrified that he attempted suicide rather than accept Vader as his dad.
I fail to see how from this we get to Luke’s “there’s still good in him” stance of ROTJ. And don’t get me started on the ethics of remaining calm while countless innocents are being annihilated by a super-laser…
I feel like you’re missing the point. Yes, Vader did bad things, but he never did them with glee.
Except when he needlessly murdered Needa.
He projected an imposing figure onto himself, but there was still a light side to him. Luke was able to see his inner light when he saw that Vader couldn’t bring himself to kill him on Bespin. When Vader destroyed the Emperor and ended the Sith, it confirmed Luke’s hope.
Hermann Goering had enough love for his anti-Nazi brother, Albert, to intercede whenever Albert found himself at risk of Nazi persecution. Who can say how much Hermann’s fraternal instinct indirectly benefitted the Jews Albert was helping. But none of this absolves Hermann of the crimes he was complicit in. And Vader saving Luke doesn’t absolve him of his crimes.
Vader’s sacrifice should’ve been motivated by a desire to save the Rebel Alliance and put an end to the regime he helped impose, not merely to save his genetic offspring. Then the more cynical fans such as Shopping Maul and myself would be better able to buy into his redemption.
I thought that Captain Phasma was a very underutilized villain, especially in The Last Jedi. She doesn’t really get to do much, gets unceremoniously thrown in a trash compactor off-screen in The Force Awakens, and loses to Finn in her only fight scene.
There were many things the writers could’ve done with her, like having her hunt down Finn and Rose on Canto Bight as they are looking for the code-breaker.
But since she’s Rule 63’d Boba Fett, it makes sense her bark is worse than her bite.
Fuzzygremlinalienscrotumguy said:
I personally call him fuzzy gremlin alien scrotum guy but that’s just me
If I were Lucas, I’d make this canon.
Well why the hell did Vader deserve redemption? At least Kylo had layers, some obvious conflict. The great thing about the TROS version is that Kylo’s redemption was a by-product of what was going on. Rey was on mission (both in the DS wreckage and on Exegol) and Kylo’s turn around came about as a consequence of their interactions (and Leia’s death) - not just a matter of Rey throwing everything aside to win his heart. Luke’s entire focus on DS II was saving Vader when he should have been fighting the Sith with every last breath. The idea that Luke became some kind of legend for this is absurd to me. So I absolutely prefer Kylo’s redemption over the cockamamie “Vader was really just a nice dad and you should always support your dad” thing of ROTJ.
I’ve never seen someone who hates Vader’s redemption before, so this take seems really bizarre to me.
S/he’s not the only one.
No. Yes.
If only Rey was a trap.
"I’m running this monkey farm now, Frankenstein! And I want to know what the fuck you’re doing with my time!"
Watched the first four episodes of Locke & Key on Netflix. It’s a bowdlerized shadow of the comic; I don’t recommend it.
Nice set design, though.
6/10
No one has updated this in years.
Doe anyone CARE??
The shelf has been a general mishmash since then, but I miss the look of a themed shelf.
Now debating whether that shelf should be Classical Mythology, or Dungeons and Dragons stuff (gamebooks and novels).
When all else fails, resort to the ol’ coin toss.
I’m sorry to hear that, snooker. It’s terrible news. I hope you find another place to stay soon.
I approve of Vader’s violet lightsaber.
"You’re so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece."
Link to thread with TROS spoilers.
I’m usually someone who gets possessed
the Sith cultists snuggles in garbage
The best way to snuggle, if we’re honest.
A bit late to respond, but Oh dear. I’m glad everyone’s alright, but wow. My condolences for how that must feel to you
Since no one got hurt, I’m mostly just pissed off about the jeep. We’d only got it last December, and we were still making payments on it. All that money down the drain. And without the jeep, we’re unable to get any firewood, which sucks at the moment 'cause the two-week-long warm spell we had just came to an end and it’s just cold enough to make everyone around here miserable.
Don’t forget that the skin on the Yoda puppet looks really “rough” and not really organic-looking in comparison to real life creatures.
When 900 years old you reach, look as good, you will not! Hmm!
And he’s aged pretty well compared to some people who’re still in their double-digits.
I created several clean plates throughout the shot and motion tracked them between each other, then rotoscoped that little gremlin out!
Now I wanna see a fanedit which replaces the CG/puppet Yodas throughout the saga with a gremlin from the Gremlin series.
“Feed me after midnight, you don’t. Hee-hee-hee!”
A practical Grievous would’ve been keen. Not enough to make up for his terrible name, voice, characterization, and lightsaber fighting style, but keen all the same.
New to this forum obviously and one thing that I feel like an idiot about is the search button. Does it exist?
Nope.
Mod Edit: The ‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com thread in the General Assistance section of the site contains information on how to do a search on here - as well as other useful bits and pieces too.
Please take the time to look around - and as stated in the opening post of this thread… a little patience can go a long way on here. There are also several Index Threads pinned at the top of many respective sections of the OT•com - which may help members find various topics of discussion, fan edits, preservations and other projects etc 😃
The Force is forever - for all generations!
The original Star Wars Trilogy on video - one last time…"
I’m getting mixed messages here.
Second link goes to a thread with TROS spoilers.
INT. LYCHSTEIN HOME/BEDROOM — DAY
In the enormous bedroom we find a king-sized bed. Beneath the black satin covers we find Natalie Lychstein, a 24-year-old platinum blonde who wants in flesh but has silicone and collagen in abundance. Sitting up, she leans over the bedside table, preparing a line of coke for breakfast.
INT. LYCHSTEIN HOME/DEN — DAY
Within we find H. S. LYCHSTEIN. A 66-year-old artist, Lychstein wears a brown silk robe, what remains of his gray hair in a small ponytail, and a humourless expression across his bland face. He is at work disassembling an antique Remington Model 95 derringer.
EXT. LYCHSTEIN HOME/SAUNA — NIGHT (FLASHBACK)
Natalie, another woman, and a strapping young man sit together on a bench, engaged in sexual activity. Lychstein sits across from them, revelling in his own fashion.
The smartphone beside Lychstein starts ringing. Without losing stride, he answers.
EXT. STARSIDE — DAY (FLASHBACK)
At the wheel of his red Fiat, Lychstein rolls into the town of Starside, presently under construction. Passing the unfinished residences and shops, he heads for distant Sunside Cemetery.
EXT. SUNSIDE CEMETERY — DAY (FLASHBACK)
Striding through the grounds, Lychstein soon comes upon the tombstone of Lázaro Mũnoz. Reading the epitaph, he then leans against the granite marker. Gazing upon the rows of innumerable graves sprawled out before him, he nods appreciatively.
INT. LYCHSTEIN HOME/DEN — DAY
The derringer disassembled, Lychstein cleans the components.
INT. LYCHSTEIN HOME/STUDIO — DAY (FLASHBACK)
Photos and documents pertaining to Sunside Cemetery are stewn about the room, with them discarded park designs. Lychstein leaves his drawing board in a frustrated huff.
INT. BOOKSTORE — DAY (FLASHBACK)
Browsing the aisles, Lychstein happens upon a curious volume; a paperback copy of the Simon Necronomicon. Taking it up, he examines the three interlocking sigils adorning the cover: the Necronomicon Gate.
INT. LYCHSTEIN HOME/DEN — DAY
The components cleaned, Lychstein reassembles the derringer.
LANDFILL — DAY (FLASHBACK)
Lychstein wades through the detritus of old Sunside, on the hunt for objects of supreme interest. He soon comes across the tarnished Celtic/Patriarchal cross of Sunside Church.
SUNSIDE CEMETERY — DAY (FLASHBACK)
Surrounded by work crews removing and transporting the lesser headstones, Lychstein is preoccupied with the Mũnoz tombstone. The angel has been removed and taken away, the copper cross affixed in its place. Putty knife in hand, Lychstein applies a specially prepared batch of cement to the inscription, filling in every letter save those which spell “ETERNAL LIE”.
STARSIDE PARK — DAY (FLASHBACK)
Lychstein stands in the gate of Starside Park, examining his handiwork. The headstones, arranged in the form of the Necronomicon Gate, form an elaborate walkway. At the walkway’s epicentre, the repurposed tombstone.
INT. LYCHSTEIN HOME/DEN — DAY
The derringer reassembled, Lychstein examines his handiwork. Satisfied, he takes two cartridges from an adjacent box and loads them into the gun.
H. S. LYCHSTEIN
I am slave to nothing.
Snapping the weapon closed, he brings the barrel under his nostrils and pulls the trigger twice in quick succession.
INT. LYCHSTEIN HOME/BEDROOM — DAY
Drawing the locks of her reverse mullet back, Natalie takes up a platinum straw and inhales the cocaine. Tilting her head back, she rubs her nose.
INT. LYCHSTEIN HOME/DEN — DAY
Natalie saunters into the den, still rubbing her nose, where she finds her husband, sprawled back in his chair, blood streaming from his pulverized nose and sinuses, his hemorrhaged eyes staring sightlessly.
She gets an instant nosebleed.
