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The Original Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 11

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You mean like Adywan did in ESB:R and is doing in ROTJ:R?

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ChainsawAsh said:

You mean like Adywan did in ESB:R and is doing in ROTJ:R?

I did not know he did that, sorry.

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I was just asking if you were talking about something along the lines of what he did, or something more drastic.

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I definitely think we should average out Yoda’s look so CG Yoda and Puppet Yoda look the same. Both effects are a tad dated anyway.

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ChainsawAsh said:

I was just asking if you were talking about something along the lines of what he did, or something more drastic.

I’m talking about something that looks, expresses emotions, and moves more realistically and organic, like how real organisms would do.

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FreezingTNT2 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I was just asking if you were talking about something along the lines of what he did, or something more drastic.

I’m talking about something that looks, expresses emotions, and moves more realistically and organic, like how real organisms would do.

Um. Okay. But how are you suggesting this be accomplished? Using morph effects like Adywan? Deepfaking CGI Yoda on top of puppet Yoda? Replacing puppet Yoda with CGI altogether? Genetically engineering a real Yoda, filming it, and compositing it over the puppet?

Suggesting a drastic change without an idea of how it might be achieved isn’t terribly useful.

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Personally, I’m not a huge fan of what Adywan did with Yoda, but I do agree that some enhancement to his eyes is warranted, especially in ROTJ. Sometimes they’re supposed to be closed but are still open, sometimes they’re the opposite, sometimes they’re cross- or lazy-eyed, etc.

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snooker said:

Why do people hate puppets so much

Not all puppets suck. It’s just, sometimes, it is so obvious that some stuff are practical effects in some movies. People complain about fake-looking CGI, too, you know.

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FreezingTNT2 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I was just asking if you were talking about something along the lines of what he did, or something more drastic.

I’m talking about something that looks, expresses emotions, and moves more realistically and organic, like how real organisms would do.

Um. Okay. But how are you suggesting this be accomplished? Using morph effects like Adywan? Deepfaking CGI Yoda on top of puppet Yoda? Replacing puppet Yoda with CGI altogether? Genetically engineering a real Yoda, filming it, and compositing it over the puppet?

Suggesting a drastic change without an idea of how it might be achieved isn’t terribly useful.

I was kinda thinking about using CGI, or at least improving the puppet via CGI, kind of like how CGI is sometimes used for The Child (also known as “Baby Yoda” by fans) in The Mandalorian (I think?) so it wouldn’t be obvious that it is a practical effect?

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as TNT, not Freezing.

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I like what Ady did with ESB Yoda, adding more subtle facial animations and fixing a few errors. If he continues that into ROTJ, I’ll be pleased as punch.

The only puppet that truly is awful in the OOT is Sy Snootles:

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Adywan has planned to fix the lip sync and add some animations to the puppet. However, I’d argue that it’s just an awful puppet and further proof of why the whole musical number scene should just use the Lapti Nek instrumental and lose like 30-40 seconds off of its running time.

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Alright so who’s gonna make a Joh Yowza puppet?

I’d argue that it’s just an awful puppet and further proof of why the whole musical number scene should just use the Lapti Nek instrumental and lose like 30-40 seconds off of its running time.

Well FWIW, Lucas saw the musical number as one big joke, so if we could make it less tedious and more of a blatant “fuck you” to the audience, maybe it could work.

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The Lapti Nek scene is pretty short as is. It’s only Jedi Rocks that turns the scene into a musical number. I feel like people forget this.

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DominicCobb said:

The Lapti Nek scene is pretty short as is. It’s only Jedi Rocks that turns the scene into a musical number. I feel like people forget this.

I’ve just never been keen on it. The terrible puppet kind of kills it for me. If it’s possible to just cut straight from the droid workshop to Leia arriving, I’d take that shot. It would mean erasing Oola, but I’m sure it could be done.

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Shitty puppets aside, Lapti Nek isn’t any worse than the rest of that sequence. Things don’t really get moving until Like shows up. You could honestly probably get away with starting the film with Han and Luke’s execution if it weren’t for how much runtime you’d lose.

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snooker said:

Why do people hate puppets so much

I think it’s because of the limitations of practical effects, and that people are willing to trade that in more and more for the limitlessness of CGI, even if that sacrifices the actors and sometimes the visual quality of the effect itself. The Yoda puppet has a lot of restrictions when it came to movement, something you wouldn’t get if you had a real life little alien walking around on set. This is what I think people mean when they say it’s obvious Yoda’s just a puppet. I mean, it’s not like that was a secret, so it has to be something deeper.

However, I think the fact that they added back in a lot of these limitations when doing the CGI for the prequels speaks to how important they are. Real life creatures may not have the same limitations as a puppet, but they don’t have the same freedom of movement that CGI has. The restrictions on the Mandalorian’s Baby Yoda puppet just make it all the more convincing that it’s a baby with limited motor function.

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SparkySywer said:

snooker said:

Why do people hate puppets so much

I think it’s because of the limitations of practical effects, and that people are willing to trade that in more and more for the limitlessness of CGI, even if that sacrifices the actors and sometimes the visual quality of the effect itself. The Yoda puppet has a lot of restrictions when it came to movement, something you wouldn’t get if you had a real life little alien walking around on set. This is what I think people mean when they say it’s obvious Yoda’s just a puppet. I mean, it’s not like that was a secret, so it has to be something deeper.

However, I think the fact that they added back in a lot of these limitations when doing the CGI for the prequels speaks to how important they are. Real life creatures may not have the same limitations as a puppet, but they don’t have the same freedom of movement that CGI has. The restrictions on the Mandalorian’s Baby Yoda puppet just make it all the more convincing that it’s a baby with limited motor function.

Don’t forget that the skin on the Yoda puppet looks really “rough” and not really organic-looking in comparison to real life creatures.

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as TNT, not Freezing.

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FreezingTNT2 said:

Don’t forget that the skin on the Yoda puppet looks really “rough” and not really organic-looking in comparison to real life creatures.

When 900 years old you reach, look as good, you will not! Hmm!

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I mean “rough” as in rough-looking to the point where it is obvious that Yoda is a puppet.

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as TNT, not Freezing.

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But yoda is a puppet. Hes not real. He shouldn’t look “real” (like what the prequels tried), we only need to believe in his character

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snooker said:

But yoda is a puppet. Hes not real. He shouldn’t look “real” (like what the prequels tried), we only need to believe in his character

So you don’t care if any special effects look off, unnatural or fake, especially if it’s CGI? You don’t care if some live-action movies with CGI look like video games rather than real life?

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as TNT, not Freezing.