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#282717
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282717/action/topic#282717
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Yeah, it's great to see how meticulous the X0 team is with making sure the colors and such are as accurate to Star Wars as possible. I agree about the opening crawl, either use just the opening crawl from the GOUT in the X0 transfer, since there seems almost no doubt it is the original Star Wars crawl that they used and you can't get any more accurate than the original , or at least make it an option in the main menu to watch Star Wars with the GOUT opening crawl in place, instead of the DC opening.

Those X0 screen shots before are so impressive, the quality is really excellent.
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#273649
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273649/action/topic#273649
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Oops, the quote "16mm reels are only 400 feet, translating to roughly 10 minutes of footage." was actually made by zombie84, when he posted it right after your previous post 2 pages back. The avatars you guys use are very similar if you just glance at them for an instant, and I assumed the post was from you. Anyhow, that quote is where the confusion stemmed from. Thanks for explaining it. Now the only problem is where to get 16mm prints good enough to transfer.

It's interesting to see the comments that the GOUT may have more horizontal resolution that the DC laserdisk set. If the DC laserdisk master had this level of horizontal resolution all the time, but laserdisks didn't support that much horizontal res, so we've never seen it before, this may be the one area where the GOUT DVD set is actually better than the DC. Will that extra horizontal res from the GOUT be noticeable if one viewed the GOUT set and X0 set side-by-side? If I recall correctly, back when the GOUT set was announced it was noted that the DC laserdisk masters had a full 480 lines of vertical res, more than laserdisk could support. And so for the first time we would get to see the full 480 vertical res of the DC masters on the GOUT DVD set. Did that actually happen? I suppose that was made impossible when they didn't do an anamorphic transfer (needed to see the full 480 lines of res on your t.v.). But certainly the X0 set would have the edge in every other area of image quality.
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#273538
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273538/action/topic#273538
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Puggo: Sorry for any confusion. When you posted the stuff quoted below from a couple pages back, I thought you were initially referring to the capacity of a 16mm scanner you had (the WorkPrinter I thought was a completely separate piece of hardware you also had). I now see you were talking about how long 16mm *reels* themselves normally are. Oops. But apparently the Star Wars 16mm reels that Laserman has seen are often 1200-1600ft. long each.

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" Originally posted by: Laserman I think he can only take 400ft reels and not many people would be happy having their 1200ft or larger reels cut up.


The 400ft limitation was for super-8. I'll have to check on the limit for 16mm, but it's gotta be more than that..."

"16mm reels are only 400 feet, translating to roughly 10 minutes of footage."
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In any case, it would seem no one here has or has access to a 16mm film scanner they could use. So it's the WorkPrinter method or nothing, I guess. It might not be as fancy as a film scanner, but according to that web site that you posted that describes what the WorkPrinter can do, it provides quite good transfers.
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#273377
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273377/action/topic#273377
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100k? Ouch. Puggo's 400 foot capacity 16mm scanner is sounding pretty darn good. As you said, the reels would need to be cut to fit, but it would never have to be done again in the history of Star Wars fan preservation/restoration. Something to seriously consider if it's at all possible to get access to decent 16mm prints. *imagining 2k scans of 16mm Star Wars film... drool*

Zion: Those GOUT shots look pretty good, all things considered. And so it's really cool when one ponders the fact that the X0 project's final results will be quite a bit better. What do you think will be more easily discernible when watching the X0 versions, the improved clarity and detail, or the colors being more correct?
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#273323
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273323/action/topic#273323
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Well even the kind of 720x480 res capture that Laserman was speaking of would be great, since it would be at full DVD res. Which would then allow for a proper anamorphic transfer to DVD after any preservation/restoration work was done. I don't suppose it would be relatively inexpensive to obtain a 16mm film scanner with the capacity to handle these 1200ft. 16mm reels that Laserman is talking about?
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#273267
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273267/action/topic#273267
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Laserman: So, if you took this 2,000ft capacity 16mm WorkPrinter that Puggo has and pointed a 1080i video camera (are non-professional video cameras at full 1920x1080i?) at the film frames from each Star Wars 16mm reel, then you'd have a full HD capture of the trilogy ready to be viewed at the films' normal speed on a HD optical disk (after proper compression to fit), right? How would the quality of the capture using this method compare to using a film scanner (I'm assuming Puggo's 400ft. 16mm film scanner can do about 2k resolution)?
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#272934
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/272934/action/topic#272934
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Ah, I see. It would indeed be necessary to have a 1200ft.+ capacity, if that's how long these high quality 16mm reels of the Star Wars trilogy are. I certainly understand someone with such 16mm prints not wanting their reels cut to fit. I imagine it is difficult to find prints in nice shape. On the other hand, if any group of Star Wars fans can find such 16mm prints that could indeed be scanned, it would have to be at this center for appreciation of the unaltered original Star Wars trilogy. When one considers that this would put the entire unaltered trilogy, in not just DVD res, but even full 1920x1080p on HD optical disks and then some, in the hands of fans for full preservation/restoration efforts, it's worth an awful lot to make it happen.
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#272783
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/272783/action/topic#272783
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If you guys just had (or could get or borrow for a short time) a fairly good set of 16mm prints that this fellow from the thread below has offered to scan, then you wouldn't have to worry about hunting for any more reels. And all source problems would be over (lots of clean up to do, but a full high res source would be secure, once and for all).

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=5853&STARTPAGE=10
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#263198
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Star Wars HD coming in November! All SIX movies!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263198/action/topic#263198
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Personally, I have no intention to watch them on a computer. I'd much rather sit in front a t.v. on the couch and crank up my home theater stereo equipment and watch it that way. I plan to get a high definition DVD set top player one of these days, whether HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, I'm not sure, and just stick the disk in there and watch it on a HD t.v. As far as the Blu-Ray burner needed to make the HD backup copies at full quality, all one needs is access to one a friend owns to crank some out or a burner on some PC anywhere that you can use would work fine. No need for everyone to go out and buy dozens of Blu-Ray burners for $1,000 each, that's completely impractical. I certainly don't mind spending $30 per blank disk to have the Star Wars trilogy plus the prequels in HD before any further changes can be made.
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#263035
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Star Wars HD coming in November! All SIX movies!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263035/action/topic#263035
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Because then we'll have a clean HD source to work from for restoration projects, the same as some do now from the 2004 DVD set, but this will provide even more res. The colors certainly are off in many cases, but that can be corrected rather well. And then in the scenes that don't have the SE changes, at least we'll have a pretty good looking HD set of the original trilogy. Plus, the idea of preserving even the 2004 set in HD before further possible changes are made is rather appealing, at least this way Lucas can't mess it up any more before we have it in HD. And, of course, having the prequels in HD before changes end up getting made to them in the 30th anniversary set is good, too.
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#263010
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Star Wars HD coming in November! All SIX movies!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263010/action/topic#263010
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tweaker: What I mean by unaltered in this case is that the video that the guy captured from Cinemax has not been re-encoded to save space or anything like that that might affect the video quality. Just a straight capture of the video exactly as it was put out by Cinemax with no alterations. If I recall correctly, the German version that was on recently did have a rather good bit-rate, but the German subtitles take that out of the running for a good HD capture to watch at home, unless you happen to be German.

This upcoming Star Wars showing on Sky HD is expected to be quite good looking from what everyone's saying, so that's good news. But they will all have to be slowed down to the proper film speed (no PAL speed up) and the audio replaced with the U.S. Star Wars trilogy and prequel DVD 5.1 soundtracks. So in the mean time, the Cinemax broadcast is the best available. In any case, get the Blu-Ray burners ready.

As far as the unaltered original Star Wars trilogy with a new transfer from the fully restored master film prints on DVD (and then eventually on high definition DVD), that's what we all really want. But for now, let's at least get the 2004 trilogy set and the prequels in HD before any further changes are made in the 30th anniversary set.
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#262950
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Star Wars HD coming in November! All SIX movies!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262950/action/topic#262950
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Don't "get" HD? Do you mean understand it? I know enough about it to know that it's nice to have the Star Wars trilogy and the prequels available in HD finally, especially considering the possible changes that might be made in the 30th anniversary set. I assume the bit-rate (and maybe not even the res?) on Cinemax isn't going to be as good as one would expect on a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray version, but it's the best available so far, so you make do.
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#262879
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Star Wars HD coming in November! All SIX movies!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262879/action/topic#262879
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Do these files have unaltered video, just as they were shown on Cinemax? Because I don't recall seeing anyone complain that they looked bad on Cinemax. I don't expect them to look as good as if they were released on a dual-layer Blu-Ray disk, but hopefully they looked pretty solid on Cinemax.

If the video is unaltered, then I guess we have our straight captures of the Star Wars trilogy (well, the 2004 set anyhow) and the prequels in HD finally. This means that they can be preserved for watching in HD from further possible changes in the Star Wars 30th Anniversary set (after which, they may or may not be released on high definition DVD without the 30th Anniversary changes). And it also provides a relatively high-quality source for use in restoration of the unaltered original trilogy. So, who has the Blu-Ray burners?
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#261164
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Star Wars HD coming in November! All SIX movies!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261164/action/topic#261164
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Well, I'm very glad to hear that an unencrypted broadcast will be made on this SkyHD. But those will be messed up by the PAL speed up. So the video will have to be slowed down and the soundtrack replaced with the U.S. DVD 5.1 soundtrack (unless there's a way to flawlessly correct the sound (so it sounds exactly the same as the U.S. DVD) without replacing the soundtrack). But at least there won't be any German words on the screen fouling up the whole movie.