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Post: #309103
Topic: Help: looking for... 1997 SE TB Digital Broadcasts
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/309103/action/topic#309103
Time: 4-Feb-2008 5:11 PM

Max_Rebo: You mean the image itself (not counting the black bars) in the TB version is squashed vertically? Meaning that Leia in that screen shot you posted is made to look shorter in the TB version than she looks in the U.S. SE widescreen laserdisk set in that scene? If that's the case, there's no way to correct for that, as the source image itself has already been squashed.

Is it noticeable, or is the squashing effect so tiny that even if you were watching the TB version and the U.S. SE widescreen laserdisk side-by-side on different televisions that you couldn't see the difference? Thanks for any info.

Post: #309019
Topic: Help: looking for... 1997 SE TB Digital Broadcasts
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/309019/action/topic#309019
Time: 3-Feb-2008 8:37 PM

Max_Rebo: Thanks for the info.!

I see what you mean about the video, the TB version has better detail and clarity than the GKAR version. There is perhaps the slightest hint of grain in the TB version, but as you said, it appears to be just a natural film grain, not noise, so that's fine, no problem at all. And the picture does indeed look great in the TB version, superb detail!

What is the resolution of the TB version? Do you know if the TB version video is in the same aspect ratio as the video in the U.S. Star Wars 1997 SE widescreen laserdisk set (which is 2.35 to 1, I think)?

Post: #308996
Topic: Help: looking for... 1997 SE TB Digital Broadcasts
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308996/action/topic#308996
Time: 3-Feb-2008 3:11 PM

Max_Rebo: Will the NTSC version on DVD have the video down-converted to the correct NTSC DVD video standard (which is 480i resolution, I think), so that the DVD's will play on any standard U.S. NTSC DVD set-top stand alone DVD player (not a computer DVD drive) hooked up to a regular NTSC television set?

This is a great idea, to put together the best possible Star Wars SE (1997) DVD set.

So this will be combination of the highest quality PAL video source, plus the 5.1 soundtrack from the U.S. Star Wars SE laserdisk set, correct?

Wouldn't it be easier for the NTSC set to just do the best possible transfer from the U.S. laserdisk set and then put that on a dual-layer DVD for maximum quality? Or is the idea that if you start with a PAL video source that is at a higher native resolution than even the NTSC DVD video specification, and then slow the video down to the correct NTSC 23.976 frames per second, that you will then be able to make an anamorphic NTSC DVD 480i video conversion from this that doesn't have any grain or other resolution problems in the picture quality?

Thanks for any info., this set sounds very exciting!

Post: #308892
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308892/action/topic#308892
Time: 2-Feb-2008 1:31 PM

I have quite a few different types of Star Wars DVD covers. If anyone would like me to send the covers to them to check out, let me know your e-mail address in a PM and I'll be happy to send them over.

Post: #308885
Topic: Wookie Groomer's 1080p Star Wars Saga project (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308885/action/topic#308885
Time: 2-Feb-2008 11:41 AM

Since I don't have access to download these, if someone could please help by sending 3 dual-layer DVD-R's with Wookie Groomer's 8 gigabyte versions of the original trilogy in 1080p on them, I would cover (in advance) all shipping expenses, etc. involved.

Please send me a PM if you'd like to help out. Thanks!

Post: #308758
Topic: Star Wars Prequels/Original Trilogy: The Complete Scores (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308758/action/topic#308758
Time: 31-Jan-2008 8:50 PM

Ah, I see. Yeah, it's good to have just the music. Although on some tracks like "Jedi Archives", it's actually kind of interesting to have the greatly reduced echo there. As it makes it sound as though you are in the Jedi archives, perhaps taking a rest after recently returning from a mission, and sitting there reading some interesting book on the history of the Jedi Order and you can hear other Jedi talking quietly with one another around you about various topics. It lends a sense of the atmosphere and ambiance of the location to the music.

Post: #308731
Topic: Wookie Groomer's 1080p Star Wars Saga project (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308731/action/topic#308731
Time: 31-Jan-2008 5:14 PM

There might be those that have access to good sources that could be used for putting the non-SE scenes back in...

Post: #308598
Topic: Star Wars Prequels/Original Trilogy: The Complete Scores (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308598/action/topic#308598
Time: 30-Jan-2008 2:29 PM

GoodMusician: How does this other version of "The Droids Confer" differ from the one already in the set? Also, could you please indicate in your updated full track list which songs have voice echo and which ones have some sound effects in them? Thanks!

Post: #308524
Topic: Star Wars Prequels/Original Trilogy: The Complete Scores (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308524/action/topic#308524
Time: 29-Jan-2008 6:20 PM

I've been listening to more of the music. You did a great job reducing that voice echo that exists in some songs. On some tracks like "Audience on Naboo" it's amazing how much you were able to keep the voice echo very faint in the background while letting the music come through clearly!

I guess in some songs it was harder to keep it faintly in the background than on others. It's really nice to get to hear so much music from Attack of the Clones. Very nice work, GoodMusician!

Post: #308518
Topic: Star Wars Prequels/Original Trilogy: The Complete Scores (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308518/action/topic#308518
Time: 29-Jan-2008 5:44 PM

GoodMusician, you said you wanted to hear some feedback on the music, so here goes.

I've only had time to listen to a few songs so far, and it sounds great, the only exception being the tracks that have the dialog echo in them.

For example, "Security Council" with those voice echoes in the background sounds terrible, I mean just having those voices intrude upon the very nice sounding Star Wars music is such a shame. I realize this is not your fault at all, I assume so far no pure score source has been found for this music from Attack of the Clones that doesn't have that voice echo in it. So until there is such a source found, we're stuck with it in that part of the music.

But the quality on everything is very nice indeed!

Post: #308516
Topic: Star Wars Prequels/Original Trilogy: The Complete Scores (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308516/action/topic#308516
Time: 29-Jan-2008 5:24 PM

I'm downloading the files now.

GoodMusician, thanks for working on this. It must have taken a ton of time and effort to put together such an exhaustive set of as much of the music from Episode II as you could find at the best quality available for each song.

Post: #308189
Topic: Wookie Groomer's 1080p Star Wars Saga project (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308189/action/topic#308189
Time: 26-Jan-2008 4:42 PM

I didn't say that 1080p video of the unaltered trilogy had been made available to the general public yet, but if just a few seconds could be gotten a hold of in the right scenes, it would be enough to undue some of the worst nonsense in the 2004 SE DVD set.

Ah, so he used the 2004 U.S. DVD set for the soundtrack. That makes sense, sounds great and no need to worry about correcting the pitch of the sound. The only thing then is to be careful it's sync'ed up exactly to the German 1080p broadcast video.

Post: #308168
Topic: Wookie Groomer's 1080p Star Wars Saga project (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308168/action/topic#308168
Time: 26-Jan-2008 12:18 PM

Sounds like an ideal Star Wars HD version has been put together from what's available, with the superior video quality of the German broadcast being used for everything except the few short scenes where the German opening title crawl and subtitles are present, plus a correct speed/pitch English soundtrack. Nice work, Wookie Groomer!

Was the English 5.1 soundtrack taken from the 2004 U.S. DVD set, or taken from SkyTV and then speed/pitch corrected? Is this English soundtrack synchronized perfectly with the video at all times?

Hmm, if someone could get access to enough 1080p video from the original unaltered trilogy that at least the worst changes from the even-more-SE 2004 DVD set (Han shooting first, Anakin returned to his normal self again, etc.) could be replaced, and then apply some color correction to fix the messed up colors from the 2004 SE, a really nice semi non-SE HD set of the original trilogy could be put together.

Post: #308044
Topic: Wookie Groomer's 1080p Star Wars Saga project (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308044/action/topic#308044
Time: 24-Jan-2008 9:20 PM

These sound like really high quality 1080p versions of the Star Wars trilogy and the prequels that Wookie Groomer has kindly made available.

It's nice to see the video was able to be taken from the high definition recordings of the shows from t.v. and then cleanly transferred off the DVR's they were originally recorded on.

I take it the source of these are the high definition versions that were broadcast in England? If so, has a correction been applied to the video and to the audio to get rid of the PAL speed up, so the video and audio now play at the same speed they would if they had been broadcast in NTSC format originally? Thanks for any info.

Post: #308041
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308041/action/topic#308041
Time: 24-Jan-2008 8:53 PM

That's a great scene from Star Wars that gives fans an idea of the excellent clarity and detail that the X0 Project transfer/preservation has in the video completed so far, and that the whole movie is going to have when it's released!

Can't wait to sit down and watch this on our t.v. with the stereo system cranked up!

Post: #307041
Topic: Star Wars Prequels/Original Trilogy: The Complete Scores (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/307041/action/topic#307041
Time: 19-Jan-2008 2:48 PM

Thanks for all the effort, GoodMusician!

This looks like it will be the most complete fan compilation soundtrack/score for Attack of the Clones available so far.

Hopefully Lucas will release a Star Wars Episode 2: Attack of the Clones (The Ultimate Star Wars Recording) boxed set soon.

Post: #306198
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/306198/action/topic#306198
Time: 12-Jan-2008 3:21 PM

A Happy New Year to everyone working on the X0 Project.

I hope Laserman is feeling better.

Post: #297165
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297165/action/topic#297165
Time: 12-Sep-2007 11:55 PM

Hello, Laserman, great to hear from you!

You've contributed a lot to your fellow Star Wars fans with both your and the entire X0 team's efforts to bring the very best capture and preservation/restoration of the Star Wars Definitive Collection laserdisk set possible to the fans. So thanks for all the hard work!

Hope you are feeling well soon, you're in our prayers.

Post: #286478
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286478/action/topic#286478
Time: 13-May-2007 9:08 PM

Darth Editous: Yeah, it's the artifacts caused by up-sampling that I'm worried about, any negative side effects that might be caused to the picture. The best thing is to do an unaltered non-anamorphic version to preserve the laserdisk picture as perfectly as possible, as well as an anamorphic version. Then you can watch which ever version best suits your tastes and the type of t.v. you are watching it on.

If the X0 team attempts an anamorphic version, it will be very interesting to see how much image detail and clarity they can maintain.

Like you said, on many 16x9 HD t.v.'s the t.v. up-samples everything you watch on it to either 720 or 1080 HD, whether you want it to or not. So it's probably better to do the upsampling for an anamorphic transfer ahead of time, so you can at least get the picture to full anamorphic DVD resolution with the best quality possible before the t.v. gets a hold of the video and starts up-scaling it on-the-fly to HD. What do you think?

Post: #286470
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286470/action/topic#286470
Time: 13-May-2007 8:07 PM

Doctor M: Interesting example in that 133% oversize screenshot. And, like you said, we have to factor in that these are relatively low quality jpg's that you are using. The X0 team has the uncompressed full quality video files. Which if they precisely up-sample frame-by-frame before converting it to anamorphic format with an up-sampling method that gives the very best picture quality possible (retaining the original detail, clarity, etc. extremely well), the anamorphic version should look very good indeed. Maybe it's not such a problem, after all. I just want to retain that great image quality that the X0 team has been able to extract from their excellent transfer from laserdisk.

And an anamorphic transfer means the picture will fit 16x9 t.v.'s properly without having to use the apparently not very good looking "zoom" feature on t.v.'s to try to fill the screen.

Post: #286430
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286430/action/topic#286430
Time: 13-May-2007 2:41 PM

But wouldn't trying to artificially increase the resolution introduce artifacts into the image? Maybe those that were concerned about this before the 2006 GOUT DVD set came out were being overly pessimistic about the affects it would have on the video. Obviously the X0 team would use the very best methods available to them to convert the video to anamorphic format if they do that, so maybe they could avoid any noticeable negative impact on the picture quality.

Post: #286405
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286405/action/topic#286405
Time: 13-May-2007 7:53 AM

The still shots look great, I'm just saying that trying to convert a non-anamorphic video source to anamorphic would likely have some affect on the clarity of the image. That's why it was pointed out by some when the 2006 GOUT DVD set came out that although the DVD's were not anamorphic, which was disappointing, that if Lucasfilm tried to convert them to anamorphic it would further degrade the image quality, considering the non-anamorphic source they were using for the transfer.

But maybe the X0 project's superior clarity and detail to the 2006 GOUT DVD set would allow for an anamorphic conversion of the laserdisk transfer that is hardly noticeable in it's affect on the picture quality.

What do you think, Zion?

Post: #286386
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286386/action/topic#286386
Time: 12-May-2007 9:29 PM

The problem is that if you try to take a non-anamorphic source and make it anamorphic, there isn't enough resolution to go around. You, in effect, spread the available resolution of the LD image, which is less than a natively anamorphic DVD, out over a larger area than it was intended to cover, making it appear grainy. I'd rather have it preserved in it's native non-anamorphic aspect ratio from the Definitive Collection laserdisk source and thus maximize the picture quality and clarity.

Perhaps once the video preservation/restoration of A New Hope is finished there can be both original non-anamorphic and anamorphic varieties made available?

Post: #286137
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286137/action/topic#286137
Time: 10-May-2007 10:53 PM

We've already seen screen shots that show the X0 project preservation/restoration is clearly superior to even the official 2006 DVD set.

I'm looking forward to seeing the best picture quality ever on home video of Star Wars combined with the great uncompressed PCM soundtrack from the Star Wars Definitive Collection. Which is why the the X0 set is going to be superb.

Post: #283125
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283125/action/topic#283125
Time: 18-Apr-2007 9:02 PM

I agree, leave the DC (or SC) laserdisk crawl as it is, and just include the option in the main menu to watch Star Wars with the GOUT opening crawl instead. That covers both those that want the original unaltered Star Wars opening crawl, which the GOUT provides very nicely, or the DC laserdisk crawl with "A New Hope" in it. Take your pick.