So many of these types of arguments are made in bad faith though, and many misrepresenting the events of the film. It’s not always the case, but many people taking issue with the execution of this perceived agenda are actually taking issue with the agenda itself, whether consciously or not.
the whole thing of using the term social justice warrior as a pejorative when talking about super heroes is just plain stupid …of course they are social justice warriors …that is the whole damn point of them !
Well like the term Mary Sue, the term SJW has a different connotation now. I’ll quote wiki:
The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and engaging in disingenuous arguments.
A large part of the criticism of SJW’s is not in the goals that are pursued, but how these goals are pursued.
Yeah, I’m sure if you asked the average person who uses SJW pejoratively they would say “I agree with their goals, but not their methods” and not something like “They’re undermining masculinity and western civilization with their cultural marxist agenda”. Ever since people like Sargon started talking about them in 2014-2015, SJWs have been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the left.
Yes, and alt-right has been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the right. What’s your point? Left or right it generally involves those with a lack of respect for those with different perspectives.
Show me a video of some purple haired tumblrina killing 50 people in cold blood. Then we can talk about how both sides are just as bad. One side has done a very tangible harm to society, and the other has, what, made some overzealous blog posts. Throw all the complaints about Antifa you want, it doesn’t change the fact that their opponents stated goals are the discrimination, deportation, or deaths of millions of people.
Never heard of the Rote Armee Fraction, I see. For every Hitler, there is a Stalin, and for every Pinochet, a Kim Il Un, or a Castro. Extremism does not discriminate. Genocide has occured in the name of many socalled ideals, whether they be considered left or right.
You can point out any number of cold war atrocities on either side. That’s not the point, the point is that today, in the here and now, one side is committing a disproportionate amount of harm, and is a far greater threat than the other. If some Naxalite wannabes start killing people and gain a sizable amount of online clout and sympathy. I’ll be concerned. But so far, all I’ve seen is hostile action on the right and defensive measures on the left. Remember, this entire culture war thing started with some game journalists started getting death threats. And now, for the past couple of years, that online bullshit has started seeping into the real world.
The point is not to focus on sides, but on compassion, and understanding. History tells us, that it is not about sides, and the threat is not in persuing ideals, but how we choose to persue those ideals. It’s always too easy to conflate the ideals with the methods used to persue them.
Isn’t that exactly the issue with using SJW as a pejorative though? Some “SJWs” use methods that annoy (or worse), but now people throw around the term to describe anyone championing those ideals. Rian Johnson is an SJW because his film features more women in it than any other Star Wars film (amongst other things). But that’s an incredibly low bar, so it’s not like he cut all the men out to make it work. The ideal is something any decent person should agree with (better gender parity) and his method is highly innocuous (putting more women in a fantasy movie). But he’s an “SJW.” The term is dogshit.
If you would prefer me to use: This character is overpowered relative to the other characters I can use that term.
I would actually. It’s a more specific statement that cuts through the bullshit, making it easier to tell you you’re wrong without having to also discuss a whole other topic on top of it.
Not to mention, if we’re talking about sexists or subconscious sexists, it’s a gendered insult (forget the male version which no one ever brings up except in a debate about the term). Again, whether conscious or not, the more you use the term the more some people will simply associate it with “powerful female character” rather than “too powerful female character” and end up writing off the former just because (while the powerful male character gets a pass for a number of reasons, conscious or not, sexist or not, including simply that they are more common and don’t have a term as closely linked to them that will trigger such a response).
I sort of doubt it. The term existed long before the internet and has a different meaning/connotation to some people.
I know it won’t happen, but at this point it’s been used to death and should go. The simplest argument against it is that any time it gets brought up, the debate immediately shifts to a debate about the word itself. Ultimately I think it’s a lazy term that has become problematic in its unbalanced usage.
At the same time we should remember not everyone who opposes the term “SJW” are sexist. For example, I think Rey is a Mary Sue but not Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel.
I’m gonna be suspicious of anyone who unironically uses the term “SJW” in 2019.
Might be nice if we could retire the term “Mary Sue” as well.
Possible title spoiler? Possible baloney too…
https://www.aintitcool.com/title-star-wars-ix-81951/
And yeah, I didn’t know AICN was still around either. 😉
Oh I highly doubt they’d do a one word title. Along those lines though I had been thinking it could be called something like “Legacy of the Skywalkers” or “The Skywalker Legacy.”
Mark Hamill says it’s not official.
Mark Hamill wouldn’t know.
he would know as much as any of you, which is practically next to nothing. so yes, i agree, he isn’t the final word, but i am very skeptical about that poster.
The difference is he probably just took a quick glance, thought “I haven’t seen this before,” and assumed it was fan made. If you look close, the poster includes images that are clearly from IX’s promotional photography and wouldn’t be available for fans to photoshop.
Mark Hamill says it’s not official.
Mark Hamill wouldn’t know.
Or maybe it was the 40th anniversary and they brought back as many people as they could and Hayden realized he liked it and could also make a ton of money selling pictures and autographs.
Hayden probably wouldn’t have made the decision himself, due to the harassment he received for his performance as Anakin. It wasn’t his fault, but fans still bullied him, just like Jake Lloyd. Thankfully Hayden didn’t go through an emotional breakdown like Jake did, but I think he was still hesitant to show up at another Star Wars event prior to Celebration 2017 in Orlando.
Yes I wouldn’t be surprised if he skipped prior celebrations because of the PT hate. But I’m sure those fears went away completely at the 2017 celebration and that’s why he’s back (i.e. not because of IX).
I agree that’s why he’s returning, and I’m happy Hayden is doing so. We’re not exactly sure if he’ll be in IX because of his presence at Celebration, or the many rumors about Anakin’s appearance. We shall see.
On a side note, I’m shocked that Mark Hamill isn’t listed as a guest. I know he’ll have a small, yet significant role in IX, but he usually comes to Celebration almost every year. Maybe he will be there, but his appearance will be a surprise in Chicago?
It seems like they’ve been announcing guests slowly over time to build up hype. They haven’t announced basically anyone who’s in the ST will be there but undoubtedly a significant amount of the cast will be at the IX panel as a “surprise.”
Or maybe it was the 40th anniversary and they brought back as many people as they could and Hayden realized he liked it and could also make a ton of money selling pictures and autographs.
Hayden probably wouldn’t have made the decision himself, due to the harassment he received for his performance as Anakin. It wasn’t his fault, but fans still bullied him, just like Jake Lloyd. Thankfully Hayden didn’t go through an emotional breakdown like Jake did, but I think he was still hesitant to show up at another Star Wars event prior to Celebration 2017 in Orlando.
Yes I wouldn’t be surprised if he skipped prior celebrations because of the PT hate. But I’m sure those fears went away completely at the 2017 celebration and that’s why he’s back (i.e. not because of IX).
It’s the 20th anniversary of TPM, not AOTC though.
There are plenty of actors there whose films don’t have an anniversary or aren’t about to come out.
Besides, there’s the obvious: if Hayden’s in IX (which I doubt), they wouldn’t announce it at celebration or anywhere else, it would be a surprise in the theater.
Hayden has only done two Celebrations, 2002 and 2017. I think one of the reasons Lucasfilm got him to come back in 2017 was to test and see how fans will react to him.
Or maybe it was the 40th anniversary and they brought back as many people as they could and Hayden realized he liked it and could also make a fuck ton of money selling pictures and autographs.
Hayden Christensen is apparently showing up again this year for Celebration.
I mean so is Ahmed Best, but I’m not confident either is relevant to this thread.
Overly-zealous is my guess. No one pays money to attend what is essentially a giant ad campaign–sorry, “Celebration”–unless they’re already drinking the Star Wars Kool-Aid.
Is my cynicism showing?
You’d probably have fun if you were there.
Wow, some great stuff in there. Thanks for the heads up.
Happened across this by accident, don’t think I’ve seen it before
That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.
Agree with this, too.
Fortunately for me, this is something I literally never considered about TIE fighters and I don’t think I’ll start caring about that sort of thing any time soon.
Good for you.
I mean it’s a movie. It’s fantasy, why should something like that matter? You could pick any number of logic holes in ship designs or whatever if you wanted to. The series has never cared about that sort of thing.
Fair enough. I just think the ship designs are one of the more grounded elements where you can talk about their effectiveness and compare their roles. That’s why there’s a bunch of visual encyclopedias with specs and internal diagrams for the spaceships.
I definitely enjoy things like visual dictionaries and cross sections but to me it’s a separate kind of enjoyment. The films are what they are and then those come next as fluffy little explainers. There’s plenty of things in the films that doesn’t really make sense that you just roll with because it’s cool (like how are walkers the most effective approach exactly?). If anything to me it kinda makes the additional materials more fun in their own way to see how they try to fix or rationalize things (like the Falcon interior being too big, or the astromechs not fitting in Naboo fighters, etc.).
I just realized that Threepio also has Rey’s staff. How a droid with no arm mobility could use it is beyond me.
At first I just thought that was just a Knight of Ren’s weapon sticking up but no, you’re right, he’s got it slung around his shoulder. With that considered, it honestly kinda looks like he’s just carrying Rey and Chewie’s stuff (he doesn’t even have his hand on the bowcaster’s grip).
Also, not sure if I’d consider this radical, but I’d open Return of the Jedi with the Emperor’s arrival. Seeing Luke’s introduction as a shadowy cloacked figure would be an interesting paralell if we already met Palpatine by that point in the film. And naturally, it would get rid of the uneventful “Permission to land” opening.
It’s an interesting idea, and something I’ve considered as well. Would also bypass the big talk of “the Emperor is not as forgiving as I am” which is never followed up on. I’d just be worried about the film’s pacing and structure being harmed. The Emperor’s arrival serves as a nice way to reestablish the stakes after all the Jabba business.
That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.
Agree with this, too.
Fortunately for me, this is something I literally never considered about TIE fighters and I don’t think I’ll start caring about that sort of thing any time soon.
Good for you.
I mean it’s a movie. It’s fantasy, why should something like that matter? You could pick any number of logic holes in ship designs or whatever if you wanted to. The series has never cared about that sort of thing.
That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.
Agree with this, too.
Fortunately for me, this is something I literally never considered about TIE fighters and I don’t think I’ll start caring about that sort of thing any time soon.
If it is a real piece of artwork made at Lucasfilm, and it was a work in progress poster for some potential scrapped ideas, I believe this poster will not be used as promotional material close to around December. This looks like something that could be put in The Art of Episode IX book when it comes out. Or, it could just be a really well put together fake poster that someone made.
No, it’s highly unlikely that this would appear in the Art of book. It’s not concept art, it’s using legit promotional photography of the actors in costume. For it to be fan made would be nearly impossible, for it to be a poster concept would be highly improbable. That it is an official poster is possible, and that it is a retail/licensed based artwork is most likely. The latter are often character collages like these, and usually when a leak emerges it is merchandise related. There will almost certainly be an official teaser poster at celebration but it will probably be a lot more minimal than this.
I do agree. It’s possible that this could be some promotional material for Star Wars Celebration this year, but the concept of C-3PO with Chewbacca’s bowcaster and bandolier doesn’t seem like an idea that Luacsfilm was make use of in any content these days. This is why it could be possible that someone made a poster themselves to troll fans online.
JJ does love giving other people Chewie’s bowcaster. It’s a comical image, but then again 3PO is a comical character. It’d be weird but I could see a scene where it happens. Doubt they’d put it on a poster, but that might just explain more why this is probably a merchandising thing - there’s going to be a 3PO + bowcaster toy.
I understand, but I can’t see someone like J.J. Abrams giving someone like C-3PO, who is a comic relief character, unlike Han and Chewie. Coming up with an idea like this is similar as to when George Lucas revealed that R2-D2 could fly in the prequels. I feel that the lowest point in the entire saga is having Threepio’s head and body exchanged with a battle droid in Attack of the Clones.
We have no idea the context. I’d argue that giving 3PO a blaster isn’t inherently a bad idea because who knows how it might play out. R2 rockets is weird because he never uses them in the OT. 3PO battle droid is the saga’s lowpoint, I agree, but not due to the mere fact that he was holding a blaster. Save your complaints for later when they might be more justified.
If it is a real piece of artwork made at Lucasfilm, and it was a work in progress poster for some potential scrapped ideas, I believe this poster will not be used as promotional material close to around December. This looks like something that could be put in The Art of Episode IX book when it comes out. Or, it could just be a really well put together fake poster that someone made.
No, it’s highly unlikely that this would appear in the Art of book. It’s not concept art, it’s using legit promotional photography of the actors in costume. For it to be fan made would be nearly impossible, for it to be a poster concept would be highly improbable. That it is an official poster is possible, and that it is a retail/licensed based artwork is most likely. The latter are often character collages like these, and usually when a leak emerges it is merchandise related. There will almost certainly be an official teaser poster at celebration but it will probably be a lot more minimal than this.
I do agree. It’s possible that this could be some promotional material for Star Wars Celebration this year, but the concept of C-3PO with Chewbacca’s bowcaster and bandolier doesn’t seem like an idea that Luacsfilm was make use of in any content these days. This is why it could be possible that someone made a poster themselves to troll fans online.
JJ does love giving other people Chewie’s bowcaster. It’s a comical image, but then again 3PO is a comical character. It’d be weird but I could see a scene where it happens. Doubt they’d put it on a poster, but that might just explain more why this is probably a merchandising thing - there’s going to be a 3PO + bowcaster toy.
If it is a real piece of artwork made at Lucasfilm, and it was a work in progress poster for some potential scrapped ideas, I believe this poster will not be used as promotional material close to around December. This looks like something that could be put in The Art of Episode IX book when it comes out. Or, it could just be a really well put together fake poster that someone made.
No, it’s highly unlikely that this would appear in the Art of book. It’s not concept art, it’s using legit promotional photography of the actors in costume. For it to be fan made would be nearly impossible, for it to be a poster concept would be highly improbable. That it is an official poster is possible, and that it is a retail/licensed based artwork is most likely. The latter are often character collages like these, and usually when a leak emerges it is merchandise related. There will almost certainly be an official teaser poster at celebration but it will probably be a lot more minimal than this.
I will say re: the lightsaber, TLJ implies that Rey will rebuild it along with the Jedi and the rebellion. Her thing is taking the past and moving forward with it and making it her own. So rebuilding it serves the story of the character, though if the new design is basically just the old lightsaber again with minimal difference it’d be a less effective way of making that point than a more significant change to the saber (but you don’t want to go too far and make it look completely different).
Kylo is about killing the past. Which is why the mask being back is a headscracher. There’s probably a few ways you could logically explain it (good intimidation that was working before he broke it), but it’d muddle the symbol it holds for his character. Then again, we don’t know for sure where his character is at in IX yet.
Hmmm with the lightsaber explanation I don’t mind it so much, that’s a good take on it. Still can’t think of a story reason for Kylo that would be regressive.
One thing that’s certainly possible is that Kylo himself is regressing in some ways. He’s an emotionally volatile character so it’s possible, but would have to be handled carefully. He’s easily what I’m most excited/anxious about when it comes to IX. His relationship with Rey will be very interesting too. That’s something that will have definitely regressed back to them being enemies, but there’ll always be that underlining connection between them and it’ll be fascinating to see how that plays out. So there might be a way to have Kylo regress a bit with the mask or whatever but still have those underlining progressions nagging at him. Impossible to say at this point though, all we have is literally just one image to go off of.
And I mean who knows, there’s a chance he could wear it in like one or two scenes tops. Plenty of TLJ marketing stuff where he has the mask but obviously it has very little screen time.
But still, I was hoping for a double bladed lightsaber for Rey using the two halves of Analins crystal. But hey, I’m not a creative director
I know this was a common hope, what with Rey having a staff to begin with. Personally I don’t mind it not being a thing as I never found the double bladed saber to be as cool as it was supposed to be.
I will say re: the lightsaber, TLJ implies that Rey will rebuild it along with the Jedi and the rebellion. Her thing is taking the past and moving forward with it and making it her own. So rebuilding it serves the story of the character, though if the new design is basically just the old lightsaber again with minimal difference it’d be a less effective way of making that point than a more significant change to the saber (but you don’t want to go too far and make it look completely different).
Kylo is about killing the past. Which is why the mask being back is a headscracher. There’s probably a few ways you could logically explain it (good intimidation that was working before he broke it), but it’d muddle the symbol it holds for his character. Then again, we don’t know for sure where his character is at in IX yet.
I don’t see how it’s possible that it’s fake. But as has been said it’s unlikely that this is a poster you’ll see in theaters.