DominicCobb

Dat_SW_Guy said:

Hello, thank you all for your suggestions. Firstly, The shot of Finn recieving the blast wasnt created there. However, I just whipped up a quick “proof-of-concept” of Finn a actually getting hit with the lightning, albeit it looks alot more deadly, overkill and less “subtle”.
The sound effect was from YouTube and I just did a right-left pan to sonically flow with the visuals a bit more. I completely cut out the wide shot of him flying back and left the last shot unfinished (since I’m too lazy to edit it now, but I’ll finish this shot sometime tommorrow) but also since I’m not so sure as to how to structure the shot.

I don’t really know how to make it subtler, so any help is appreciated! https://streamable.com/gyj6k2

SIDENOTE: I edited the shot with 16-bit colorspace, but the one being uploaded to streamable seems to have completely clipped the highlights and shadows so I don’t know what’s up with that.

Wow, excellent work. It does feel a little powerful. I wonder if the compression is part of it, blowing out the highlights a bit. I think you did a great job with the lens effects but perhaps turning down the light leaks a tad could reduce the seeming power of it. My only other thought is, I know it’s a brief shot, but when it hits Finn if it only connects for a few frames and then the beam recedes into him, rather than how right now it continuously attacks him through the end of the shot.

My suggestion has always been the easiest would be just to put it in this shot:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/4/40/Kylo_Mustafar.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20200706075808

Not only is it the only real wide shot you get but it’s also static which would make the work a lot easier.

CaptainFaraday said:

DominicCobb said:

CaptainFaraday said:

Shower thought I just had:

I know plenty of people have tried to salvage the “I am Iron Man” one liner by trimming it into various forms, but has anyone tried dubbing it over with something else?

I imagine that by muting the audio and just looking at the lip movements, there’d have to be other things which could a) match convincingly, and b) be a better pair of lines.

I have no idea what they’d say instead, or whether you’d use audio of the actors or just find good soundalikes of Rey and Palpatine, but it’s worth at least a cursory investigation, right? Even just to rule it out?

I tried throwing in “I’m no one” over the shot of her getting the saber. People didn’t like it, although that could be partially due to a rough audio mix.

I don’t remember seeing this - do you have a link?

Here it is: https://vimeo.com/409083679

I did clean it up somewhat since this but not by that much (my skills are only so good when it comes to audio).

Cinefy said:

Could be interesting if Mustafar forest surfaces had some lava cracks in the floor for some of the shots

Concept https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/501825149469851659/841245308754722816/PicsArt_05-10-11.27.58.jpg

YES! I’ve been wanting this for a while.

CaptainFaraday said:

DominicCobb said:

CaptainFaraday said:

Shower thought I just had:

I know plenty of people have tried to salvage the “I am Iron Man” one liner by trimming it into various forms, but has anyone tried dubbing it over with something else?

I imagine that by muting the audio and just looking at the lip movements, there’d have to be other things which could a) match convincingly, and b) be a better pair of lines.

I have no idea what they’d say instead, or whether you’d use audio of the actors or just find good soundalikes of Rey and Palpatine, but it’s worth at least a cursory investigation, right? Even just to rule it out?

I tried throwing in “I’m no one” over the shot of her getting the saber. People didn’t like it, although that could be partially due to a rough audio mix.

I don’t remember seeing this - do you have a link?

Yeah, I’ll try to find it later. Should be in my thread although that’s probably buried at this point.

CaptainFaraday said:

Also, to carry over discussion from the Ascendant thread: I like Rey using a tiny burst of Force Lightning when she shoves Finn, and if anyone does the VFX, I’d edit it into a personal cut of the movie if I ever make one.

I’d definitely consider it too.

Sherlock is how I interpreted it. The fact that she doesn’t react would be what would give it weight.

It’s not at all about adding a “cool trailer moment” or whatever the hell. Come on we don’t need to degrade legitimate ideas with snark like that.

TLJ Snoke in TFA.

Oh, now that’s an interesting idea.

CaptainFaraday said:

Shower thought I just had:

I know plenty of people have tried to salvage the “I am Iron Man” one liner by trimming it into various forms, but has anyone tried dubbing it over with something else?

I imagine that by muting the audio and just looking at the lip movements, there’d have to be other things which could a) match convincingly, and b) be a better pair of lines.

I have no idea what they’d say instead, or whether you’d use audio of the actors or just find good soundalikes of Rey and Palpatine, but it’s worth at least a cursory investigation, right? Even just to rule it out?

I tried throwing in “I’m no one” over the shot of her getting the saber. People didn’t like it, although that could be partially due to a rough audio mix.

sherlockpotter said:

Octorox said:

“Leia told me that she sensed the end of her Jedi path.”

I’d really like this if it can be made to sound seamless. I’d really prefer it not be tied to Ben at all. I think it’s in character for Leia to end her Jedi training because she feel she can do more good in getting the new government off the ground.

Yeah, Leia never seemed to want to be a Jedi in the other movies. She was a politician and a commander, and she seemed (based on TFA and TLJ) to have pursued that path while Luke pursued being a Jedi. It felt weird to me in theatres when the film retconned that into Leia being basically a full Jedi, and Luke saying, “Ha! Nah, she totally trained to be a Jedi off camera. She just gave it all up because [external factors pushed her out of a career path she apparently always wanted, #feminism].” At least with this rework, it gives her character more agency - she decides to quit because that’s what she wants, not because she thinks it’ll magically somehow prevent her son from dying. (And, by the way, that plan was a rousing success, Leia. You idiot.)

So on that note…ehhh? https://streamable.com/ehphfh

I think that works.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

So here is one (of many) potential things we could do with the Star Destroyer stuff:

https://youtu.be/9EOXMCZGbZg

There is another place where I feel these establishing shots could work really well to help with the frantic pacing of this film.

I actually didn’t notice a clip was made. If there was some way you could replace the music with a slower cue, it’d work better. But unfortunately it’s still awkward placement. Perfect example of this is the Vader helmet scene in TFA. Every time I watch the film I think about how that scene has a really poor placement, and it’s similar to this. Now, on the one hand, this is better, because this Kylo scene is directly related to what’s going on with the heroes. On the other hand, it’s even shorter. But same principle.

sherlockpotter said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

sherlockpotter said:

Hal 9000 said:

I like that idea, Sherlock, but I wonder if that’d be weird to actually have sequenced that way.

Scenes and scenes and planets have gone by, and Hux just now tells him “it was a coordinated incursion.”

I do like the idea of slowing down with an establishing shot after we settle in with Lando, and possibly at the end of that scene, with engines lighting up.

And - this may sound blasphemous - but I actually don’t really like the establishing shot before the necklace scene? The scene is so quick that it basically feels like the film is cross cutting between Kylo’s ship and Lando’s sex dungeon. An establishing shot is usually reserved for a whole scene - does a cutaway warrant that? We’d basically be spending more time in the establishing shot than in the meat and potatoes of the scene.

If we applied this same logic to Mustafar then we wouldn’t have come up with all those establishing shots.

I’m all for establishing shots, and for slowing down the film’s pacing. But it’s not the same as Mustafar. Mustafar is an entire sequence, where, like…things happen. And it’s over a minute long. And it’s the very first scene in the movie, so it makes sense to establish not just that location, but the film as a whole. For settling into the movie.

To me - and this is subjective - it would feel weird to be in the middle of one scene, have an establishing shot of a different one, 25 second “scene,” and then cut back to the first location. With a cutaway like that, editing implies that the scenes are happening concurrently. So if you’re in the middle of a conversation, another conversation may be happening at the same time; but you wouldn’t want to just sit there idling waiting for the conversation to restart. You’re already settled into the Lando scene. You can’t just uproot yourself and settle into a completely different location, and then snap back. It’ll be jarring.

Think of it this way: you’re listening to one conversation. You turn your head, and see another conversation on your other side. Then you look back at the original conversation. If the first conversation wasn’t done, you wouldn’t pack up your things, walk to a new location, settle in, and find a different conversation, right?

Again, this is all subjective; but we can’t just use establishing shots willy-nilly. We should treat them how a professional director/editor would; establishing shots are more about settling the audience into a scene than they are about padding it.

Don’t worry, you’re absolutely right. Wouldn’t work at all. Watch the scene in the original and notice how the music, camera moves, and edits work. An establishing shot would grind it all to a halt, in a bad way. I actually don’t even like how the scene has been rearranged in Hal’s edit for this very reason.

Hal 9000 said:

That Mustafar shot is great! Either from the front, or possibly from the side with some forrest comped in.

I can’t remember whether there were 2 or 3, but TIEs even go by. But I’m sure we could just have Poppasketti comp in his TIEs over whatever portion of the shot.

And hey, the shot can be as long as we’d like! Maybe I should mock up something just to set the desired length of that shot.

EDIT: Nevermind, the music is already timed perfectly. So the length is set, unless we want to replace one or both of the existing other shots.

It’s pretty funny, they have two TIEs flyby, it’s (almost) literally the exact shot we were trying to fabricate. Just missing one.

I’ll say this though, while grabbing that bit would be the easy solution, if we could use an earlier bit of the shot, when we’re further away from the castle, and place the TIEs in there, that’d work better I think. And if by some magic we could place trees on the ground… that’d be really something (though I’m sure would not be easy).

Timing-wise I’d say it’d be nice to make it longer than it needs to be, just to have room to play around with.

Anyone know the best way to capture the stream in highest quality? That’d be the best staring point.

SparkySywer said:

CaptainFaraday said:

DominicCobb said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

DominicCobb said:

Swap the 3rd quarter of ROTS with the first and call it episode IX. Swap the first quarter of TROS with the 3rd and call it episode III.

What?

Just think about it for a sec.

This is one of those top tier posts that I didn’t get until about eight hours later when it idly crossed my mind in the middle of the night.

I was about to say the exact same thing. I thought it was just nonsense and was okay with that before reading a second time. Dom’s mind truly expands further than my feeble brain could ever conceive.

Honestly too it just occurred to me I actually worded it slightly wrong so now I’m glad anyone got it.

Anakin Starkiller said:

DominicCobb said:

Swap the 3rd quarter of ROTS with the first and call it episode IX. Swap the first quarter of TROS with the 3rd and call it episode III.

What?

Just think about it for a sec.

Swap the 3rd quarter of ROTS with the first and call it episode IX. Swap the first quarter of TROS with the 3rd and call it episode III.

Sorry, birth is still better to me, would be great to see it come alive.

jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, 3PO is treated like dirt in this movie by the main characters. I dunno, it just felt different coming from Han or something.

And I enjoyed the video; very fair glimpse into the world of fan editing. And of course I felt proud of what you all have put together with Ascendant as it was mentioned at the end.

Probably feels different since it really came from ONE character in the OT, who’s personality and reactions to things made it at least “make sense,” but this one it’s the whole crew like that … it makes it … obnoxious and off putting to be blunt. They ACTIVELY did not care and were ok with him “sacrificing,” so if it was ESB, they may NOT have repaired C3P0 like Chewy did. Lol.

Probably feels different because you saw it as a kid and are used to it.

Peter Pan said:

RogueLeader said:

Interesting. Did it just conveniently sync up with her saying, “No you’re not, you-“ or whatever?

Yes it did.

At that point, I wonder why you couldn’t just insert that line into the theatrical version of the film.

I was toying around with Sade’s edit anyway, so I left it at that, but you could easily use the thatrical footage.

Although you would loose Han’s priceless reaction on 3PO 😉

Wow, works really well. Gotta do something to clean up that set sound of course, and the little specks, otherwise great. Really an efficient solution, giving her consent beforehand even if it’s quick, although in this case how quick it is just makes it almost seem like they’re both going in for the kiss.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I still believe there is an expanded edition of the film that JJ would have preferred to release. At least 30 mins of content that would have made things more clear. But obviously Disney wanted to make more money, so he had to cut it down.

Personally I think JJ was capable of cutting it down on his own. Typically that’s his style, and it’s worked for him in the past.

Hate to be the sour puss once again, but as much as I like this idea on paper, I don’t think what we have works. Jannah still offers to help them get to the wreck right away, only this time there’s no explanation, they just go right from guns drawn to chummy chummy. I don’t think the intended effect comes across.

Darth_Zounds said:

DominicCobb said:

Holdo explains her plan to Poe when they meet.

Hey, this isn’t the Best Edit Ideas thread!

I said what I said.

Holdo explains her plan to Poe when they meet.

sherlockpotter said:

DominicCobb said:

The Zorii stuff is interesting. I’m all for cutting the spice runner backstory as I’m sure many are, but I wonder if there’s some way we could replace it with something else? Feels like there’d be some obviously missing info about Poe’s connection without that there. Zorii being a part of the Resistance seems like a nice solution but I’m not sure the connection is obvious as to what Poe did to make her mad.

I don’t think any specific connection is needed, honestly. Between what Poe says (“I had some bad luck on Kijimi.”) and Zorii figuratively bitch-slapping him as soon as she sees him, it’s pretty obvious already that they have some backstory, and that it didn’t end well. What that story is, I dunno - maybe Poe had a Resistance mission on Kijimi, and he crossed paths with Zorii - but does it matter so much for this story?

It’s basically the infamous elevator scene from AOTC, but with blasters. It’s two characters referencing [event] that happened [at some point in the past], that bears no immediate relevance to the story at hand. It emphasizes that they have a history together, and you get of sense of their dynamic; the specifics of that history are ultimately just pointless details.

Poe’s and Zorii’s relationship is pretty apparent as soon as she draws the blaster on him. What do you effectively lose by cutting the…five(?) “spice-runner” lines?

To be clear, if anyone likes the spice-runner backstory, then that’s great! But if you want to remove it, I don’t think it will cause too much of an issue, conceptually.

You may be right. I’m trying to watch the movie in my head and see how it plays. She’s a bounty hunter which is usually a bad guy profession, and we could see Poe as getting in a scrape with her, either as Resistance or New Republic.

Still, if there’s some line change or addition that works, can’t hurt.