DominicCobb

SilverWook said:

I would think they at least had the foresight to shoot “clean” background plates during TFA just in case they revisited this later.

I think you mean TLJ? Actually that’s interesting to consider. Back when Trevorrow was on IX he had Rian Johnson shoot a scene for IX while filming TLJ because it logistically made sense to do so. Never thought about it but definitely could have been an additional part of that flashback. Obviously no way to know at this point if that scene (whatever it actually is) will be used in JJ’s IX.

OutboundFlight said:

Cthulhunicron said:

Buzzfeed just reported that a script has been completed for a KOTOR movie.

Don’t trust Buzzfeed.

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

Omni said:

OutboundFlight said:

How so?

I think there’d be too many expectations from a lot of people that’d potentially ruin the films whichever way they go.

I’d be all in for more personal stories set during the Clone War, I think it’d really do wonders for that time period. We get some of it from the TV shows, but nothing actually good.

But yeah if they want to stay away from the main saga at all costs I think the old republic era is definitely the most logical pick. I really don’t want it to be a Jedi story though, I think it’d be cool to see more Rogue One-like films.

You say there’d be too many expectations, but the Clone Wars has an even greater chance of “offending” people as it is directly connected to the films. And while I love the era there are many OT fans who don’t want to return to the PT, and I respect that… TOR is a fresh start for everyone.

I think about it like the MCU. You have a ton of comics/books/games on the era, and the producers are now free to tell their own story. Most complaints regarding the ST from fans has been towards inconsistent writing (agree or disagree). But by adapting characters you would be more in an MCU position.

Man, the MCU is a lot of things but I don’t think I would ever say that it has “consistent writing.” The less SW can be like the MCU the better honestly (and I love the MCU).

Well, one thing you have to admit is how happy and united the fandom is. A consistent vision is my stab at the answer to that. While any piece of new SW material will divide people. I was convinced Endgame would divide people for providing a definitive ending… but that’s not the case.

I couldn’t care less whether the fandom is divided or not. I care about the quality of the movie. People love Endgame but that’s because they created the film in such a way that their main goal was fan service/not making fans mad. I think that’s a poor way to approach a film when it’s at the expense of the story (which I’d argue is the case with that film). But anyway, fans don’t care and eat it up. That’s why it’s well received, not because the MCU has a “consistent vision” which is a claim that has no basis in reality.

OutboundFlight said:

Omni said:

OutboundFlight said:

How so?

I think there’d be too many expectations from a lot of people that’d potentially ruin the films whichever way they go.

I’d be all in for more personal stories set during the Clone War, I think it’d really do wonders for that time period. We get some of it from the TV shows, but nothing actually good.

But yeah if they want to stay away from the main saga at all costs I think the old republic era is definitely the most logical pick. I really don’t want it to be a Jedi story though, I think it’d be cool to see more Rogue One-like films.

You say there’d be too many expectations, but the Clone Wars has an even greater chance of “offending” people as it is directly connected to the films. And while I love the era there are many OT fans who don’t want to return to the PT, and I respect that… TOR is a fresh start for everyone.

I think about it like the MCU. You have a ton of comics/books/games on the era, and the producers are now free to tell their own story. Most complaints regarding the ST from fans has been towards inconsistent writing (agree or disagree). But by adapting characters you would be more in an MCU position.

Man, the MCU is a lot of things but I don’t think I would ever say that it has “consistent writing.” The less SW can be like the MCU the better honestly (and I love the MCU).

Honestly the first thing I thought when I looked at that phot was that it seemed like it was from the TLJ shoot. I don’t think it’s a misdirect, Vanity Fair has limited info and probably just tried to make a cool looking shot based on the scene from TLJ. Or none of what I said is true. Who knows.

Hal 9000 said:

Just read about “new desert planet Pasaana.”

It’s a minor thing, but if you want a desert planet why not pick Jakku or Tatooine, and if you want a new planet then why another desert planet?

I mean I think the simple answer is desert locales are always beautifully cinematic (and their iconography has roots in a variety of genres and mediums that SW is known for pulling from), and if they were going to go back to an existing desert planet there should be a reason why they were going back to that one specifically.

I don’t terribly mind an excess of desert planets, if I understand correctly it’s likely the most common biome.

Couple interesting bits

For Jar Jar, you could potentially cut it just as it hits the pod, right before bounces off and falls in and see if that might work.

I personally would probably just cut the whole bit of him getting zapped.

Hal 9000 said:

Sounds like Ash, Dominic, and I are about the same age. Taco Bell will always be Tatooine to me. lol

I think I’m a few years younger, but in the same ballpark. Hated Taco Bell when I was a kid but I do remember making my parents take me there so I could get this guy

ZkinandBonez said:

Despite all its faults, I’ll always fondly remember TPM as my first SW movie.

Wasn’t the first that I saw but I guess it was the first that I saw in theaters. Saw it twice (probably the first time I saw a movie more than once in theaters). The wait for the VHS killed me.

ZkinandBonez said:

DominicCobb said:

At the end of the day, I think what’s most notable about TPM is that it is the only Star Wars film ever that is just pure, unfiltered George Lucas. With the OT there were a lot of factors that pushed the films away from the vision in his head and a lot of people refining what he wrote. With AOTC he was responding a bit to the criticism of TPM and also coming up with a lot of stuff on the fly and in post. And with ROTS he was playing catch up and providing some fan service. But TPM is really the only one where he had a lot of time to write all by himself (and a lot of freedom in the story due to its setting in the timeline), and then when it came to production there was basically nothing stopping him (technology or budget-wise) from getting exactly what he wanted. It’s definitely an interesting film to look at in that regard, but ultimately I think it’s clear to see the problems with that as well.

I never thought of it that way, but you’re completely right. Have you read “The Star Wars”, the comic adaptation of Lucas’ first draft of the original film? It’s very TPM-like in many ways. It has complicated galactic politics, a Wookiee equivalent of the Ewok/Gungan battle at the end, very stiff and formal Jedi Knights, etc. Its’ interesting to think of what SW would have been if the first film, in the literal sense, would have been more like TPM.

Yeah I’ve read it! One of the reasons why I feel like TPM is George unfiltered. You can see how there’s a lot of things he wanted to do with the series since the beginning that he wasn’t able to until Episode I. It’s fascinating to think that that might have been his conception of SW all along and that he simply wasn’t able to accomplish with the OT - but so meanwhile everyone else in the world ends up a conception of SW that is based solely on what the finished product of the OT actually was, and they’re ultimately two fairly different things.

Hal 9000 said:

It may not sound too bad without the added word at the end.

https://vimeo.com/337336010

Not terrible, maybe trim the extraneous sound 3PO makes after “nature” if possible, and then I’d also suggest cutting the end of the shot by a few frames as it seems to linger awkwardly for a beat there without the additional word.

For me it’s pretty insane that it’s been 20 years, because this is probably the first big thing that I personally remember happening that is now 20 years old. Which yeah, I guess makes me feel old too.

Reflecting on TPM is weird for me, because it’s a film that I have an absolutely immense amount of nostalgia for, but it’s nostalgia that is ultimately trumped by my feelings for the saga as a whole, simply because TPM has never in my life been my favorite Star Wars (can’t remember if it ever got higher than 4th place honestly). So there’s a fondness for the film that is ultimately tempered by a lot of things.

At the end of the day, I think what’s most notable about TPM is that it is the only Star Wars film ever that is just pure, unfiltered George Lucas. With the OT there were a lot of factors that pushed the films away from the vision in his head and a lot of people refining what he wrote. With AOTC he was responding a bit to the criticism of TPM and also coming up with a lot of stuff on the fly and in post. And with ROTS he was playing catch up and providing some fan service. But TPM is really the only one where he had a lot of time to write all by himself (and a lot of freedom in the story due to its setting in the timeline), and then when it came to production there was basically nothing stopping him (technology or budget-wise) from getting exactly what he wanted. It’s definitely an interesting film to look at in that regard, but ultimately I think it’s clear to see the problems with that as well.

So yeah, my feelings are mixed. But ultimately I think it’s a fun anniversary and will probably try to watch the film sometime soon, because I honestly still enjoy it quite a bit.

Anchorhead said:

Man, that’s a wide swing. Obviously the cost swings because some are mint and some are well-read. What is the significance of the 35 cent version?

Well I’m no expert but I’ve been getting more into buying comics recently and I’d say that it’s the quality is a big factor yes, but often it kinda just comes down to how certain places/people price them. A site like mycomicshop will give you a decent overview of how much the price shifts in regards to graded quality (https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=178101) but even there you’ll see it’s not perfectly standardized. From my experience with in person shops, some just tend to be more expensive than others in general. For instance, I wouldn’t say the one I saw that was going for $150 was in significantly that much worse shape to be so much less than the one that was $400. And the one that I got on auction for cheap is pretty fine (which is just luck). So I’d just say it’s pretty random in general.

The 35c if I’m not mistaken is a rarer book and therefore much more valuable simply because they didn’t print as many of them (the normal price was 30c, and they were just testing out the 35c price).

Anchorhead said:

Weird that they sort of knew what Vader looked like. I’ve seen this cover a ton of times, just never gave too much thought to how they had obviously seen some of what was coming. They must not have known or seen how big a part of the film the droids were. No Chewie either.

Edit ;

What’s an original of this go for these days? I see prices all over the map

Most shops I’ve seen having it going for somewhere between $150-$400.

Sometimes you get lucky though on eBay and pick up one for $25 (or at least that’s what I did, somehow).

Not sure what’s so bad about that. Only thing I’d do would be to mix the need line a bit lower to match his surrounding dialogue. Otherwise I think it works and is a pretty cool change.

ChainsawAsh said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

It’s only lose-lose if they do Revan, same as a Mass Effect movie that does Shepard. Old Republic era overall would be fine.

I doubt they’d do a direct adaptation anyway. And even if they did the games aren’t canon anymore so they’re free to define it how they want (the people who’d be bothered would be a minority).

Well, of course, but Revan was a player-insert character, so everyone has their own view of what “their” Revan is. That’s why the TOR additions to Revan’s character were so poorly received. Any adaptation of the character will face the same issue, whether it’s adapting the same story as KOTOR or telling a new one.

I just mean the amount of people who have played the game and have strong feelings about the character two decades later is number that pales immensely in comparison to the size of the general target audience for Star Wars films.

Fang Zei said:

Just how far, if at all, has the nu-canon delved into the pre-TPM era?

Do we even have a vague idea of what it looked like from TCW/Rebels and the new books/comics/games or would the filmmakers have pretty much a blank slate to tell whatever story they want?

Might as well be a blank slate.

ChainsawAsh said:

It’s only lose-lose if they do Revan, same as a Mass Effect movie that does Shepard. Old Republic era overall would be fine.

I doubt they’d do a direct adaptation anyway. And even if they did the games aren’t canon anymore so they’re free to define it how they want (the people who’d be bothered would be a minority).

Omni said:

I doubt they’ll go with anything “The Old Republic” theme. It’s a lose-lose situation.

If anything I’d think the opposite. It’s the easiest way to get far away from the main saga while still being an easily understandable and somewhat familiar era.

ChainsawAsh said:

Eh, that’s fair, but they definitely got sick of the show after they passed the books and put an artificial cap on it so they could move on to other things instead of letting the story dictate the length of the show, whether that meant handing over the reigns to someone else or sticking it out as long as it took.

Well I still doubt your premise (re: the artificial cap because they just wanted to move on, not the artificial cap itself) is true but either way we can agree that the last two seasons are rushed and messy as hell.

ChainsawAsh said:

As much as I love Star Wars, this basically confirms that they butchered the ending of one of my favorite TV series because they got bored and wanted to speed it along so they could go play Star Wars instead.

In all fairness I really doubt that’s true. The pair have been talking about the silly “exactly 73 hours” thing for a long time, most likely far before they were approached by LFL.

ChainsawAsh said:

oojason said:

‘Disney: The next Staer Wars film will come from ‘Game Of Thonres’ creators, and more live action series coming to Disney+’:-

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2019/05/disney-the-next-star-wars-film-will-come-from-game-of-thrones-creators-and-more-live-action-series-coming-to-disney.html
 

Uuuuuughhhhh…

My thoughts exactly.

RogueLeader said:

Legit question, what do you need to know to be able to do a mindtrick?

You have to have at least 9000xp.

I feel like you’re trolling me at this point honestly.

OutboundFlight said:

I am also a bit confused towards Rey’s motivation.

I agree with Don in that Rey wants to belong somewhere. An expected reaction for someone so isolated. Further evidence for this:

• She is in denial that her family will come in TFA
• She saves BB8, her only friend possibly ever. Her insistence on getting BB8 to the resistance may be due to he trying to help the only friend she has even known.
• She never outright helps the resistance. She only wields the lightsaber to save Finn, a friend.
• She asks Luke to “show me her place in all this”.
• It seems she only wants to know her parents after she is turned down by Luke. Luke’s grumpiness causes Rey to doubt the Jedi way and ponder about her parents once more (the cave).
• She then develops a force connection with Ben and comes to believe he may have what she seeks (a place to belong to).

All this is building to Rey taking Ben’s hand.

Why would Rey want to join the Jedi? Luke has done nothing but criticize her. We all know the Jedi way is right, but from her POV she just met this grumpy hermit who doesn’t want her. Why should she care about the Jedi?

It seems Rey’s primary motivation in turning down Kylo is because she has friends in the resistance? Like Finn and BB8? But the entire film has been building up Kylo and Rey’s relationship. As for the “she realizes she does not need a purpose, she can make one herself” well wasn’t that where she was before TFA. On her own with no one?

I think Rey would have been a great character had she taken Ben’s hand and charted us a new, bold direction for TROS.

Now she feels more like a missed opportunity bordering “perfect” which is a shame given how close we were. I hope TROS does the best job they can with Rey- if they provide some clarification on her motivation I think the whole Mary Sue argument will finally be over.

First of all, Rey had no purpose on Jakku besides waiting for her parents to show up and give her one. Being able to take care of yourself does not mean you have a purpose in life. Her life was literally in wait.

Second, Rey turning down Kylo because she has friends in the Resistance is not a minor thing. It’s a huge part of her character. Her story in TFA is all about learning to find a new family with her friends in the Resistance. You seem to acknowledge this, yet you come to the conclusion that that this is leading up to her forsaking those friends for Ben instead? Her connection to Ben is less about finding family and more about finding purpose (two related concepts yet ultimately not the same). The purpose Ben offers is ultimately in direct opposition to her new family and her underlying ideologies. So instead she goes with the way of the Jedi, and chooses that as her purpose. Why does she choose the Jedi way as her purpose? Well here’s the thing. You’re right that Luke rebuffs her, which is why she turns to Ben in the first place. But why should she have animosity against the Jedi because of how Luke treated her? The whole reason Luke treats her that way is because Luke doesn’t want her to be a Jedi. For most of the film she remains steadfast in her faith in the stories she’s been told of the Jedi, and more importantly Luke. At the end of the film, I tend to think moving forward that Luke’s lessons have convinced her not to be too beholden to the old ways (Luke’s plan is essentially to force Rey to pick up the mantle of the Jedi, but from scratch on her own), but she sees through Luke’s crankiness and believes there is still some wisdom and power to be learned from the Jedi (and she’s right, of course, as Luke proves in his final standoff). Some of the final conclusions to be made here (Rey learning Luke’s final lesson of failure, for instance) aren’t explicitly dramatized in TLJ so I hope it’s a part of Rey’s character building in TROS.

Honestly I’ve always hated the “it would’ve been so badass if Rey turned bad.” It feels like a pretty shallow desire. If it happened it would have been a complete betrayal of everything we know about her character. On the other hand, you could say, well Kylo didn’t have to say he was going to destroy the Resistance, he could have turned good then and there. Except that would have been a betrayal of his character at that moment. What makes Rey/Kylo a compelling protagonist/antagonist pairing is the way they compare and contrast. If they had just joined together and did their own thing, that would have been the bland middle road. What would that choice say about their characters? What direction would they go from there? It feels like a rather uncompelling way to end a middle chapter. What TLJ did is show two people who have a connection, who can work together under the right circumstances, and who can accomplish great things when in that union, but who ultimately have no choice but to go separate ways because of fundamental differences in terms of ideology/personality. It’s a much more interesting conflict to me than Rey and Kylo vs. the world. The version of Rey vs. Kylo that TLJ sets up is a very complex one and I’m very interested to see where it goes.

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

The way you’ve twisted Rey’s story is so ridiculous that I’m honestly sad for you.

It’s not ridiculous, because many people feel this way about Rey, and have expressed this one way or the other. If a significant proportion of viewers feel she’s a poorly developed, and overpowered character, than that’s on the writers, who failed to write a character that resonates with an overwhelming majority of viewers, like many other protagonists we’ve witnessed in the past.

It works both ways. I really don’t understand what you see in such a mediocre character, and nothing I say can convince you otherwise. You speak of her innate goodness, as if that’s a good quality for a fictional character. I don’t get that. She’s not the worst character ever written, but that’s faint praise.

She’s written perfectly fine, but some fans can’t get over the fact that she doesn’t adhere to the same exact journey as the saga’s prior protagonists and they feel that because she doesn’t develop her powers in a way that makes sense according to video game logic that makes her “poorly written.” You think innate goodness makes her boring even though Luke Skywalker is exactly the same in that regard (I’d argue the only difference is his innate goodness is explained even less so than hers). I think it’s ridiculous to engage with the text the way that you and others do where you ignore basically everything the films are actually doing. You can choose to think that I’m ridiculous for thinking that and that’s fine. There’s nothing else to say that hasn’t already been said a thousand times.