DominicCobb

I’ve never really understood franchises being exclusive to one author, but in Star Wars’s case specifically, because it’s a film series (and not, say a book series where there really is only one author), Lucas has never been the only creative mind behind the series. The world of SW has been created by a variety of people from the very start. Feels disingenuous to ignore that collaborative aspect - which is to say nothing of the series’s patchwork/pastiche nature, which in my mind seems to invite baton passing since the series is more about assimilating past stories to create a modern mythological adventure, rather than the holy “saga” that Lucas later tried to make it into. There’s this sandbox where it would be silly to limit it to just one guy playing in it. Now, when it comes to the “Skywalker saga” as LFL has reframed the episodes, even then there’s a meta resonance to having the next generation round out the story that Lucas began.

SilverWook said:

DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

I would think they at least had the foresight to shoot “clean” background plates during TFA just in case they revisited this later.

I think you mean TLJ? Actually that’s interesting to consider. Back when Trevorrow was on IX he had Rian Johnson shoot a scene for IX while filming TLJ because it logistically made sense to do so. Never thought about it but definitely could have been an additional part of that flashback. Obviously no way to know at this point if that scene (whatever it actually is) will be used in JJ’s IX.

Didn’t we see first see the burning Jedi temple in Rey’s vision in TFA?

No, just a brief shot of Luke kneeling and putting his hand on R2.

Reminds me how they wanted to shoot all the Dagobah scenes for ROTJ during production on Empire, but ran out of time. Lucas shot two scenes for ROTS while making AOTC, but neither got used.

Two? I was only aware of the Tatooine one.

SilverWook said:

I would think they at least had the foresight to shoot “clean” background plates during TFA just in case they revisited this later.

I think you mean TLJ? Actually that’s interesting to consider. Back when Trevorrow was on IX he had Rian Johnson shoot a scene for IX while filming TLJ because it logistically made sense to do so. Never thought about it but definitely could have been an additional part of that flashback. Obviously no way to know at this point if that scene (whatever it actually is) will be used in JJ’s IX.

OutboundFlight said:

Cthulhunicron said:

Buzzfeed just reported that a script has been completed for a KOTOR movie.

Don’t trust Buzzfeed.

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

Omni said:

OutboundFlight said:

How so?

I think there’d be too many expectations from a lot of people that’d potentially ruin the films whichever way they go.

I’d be all in for more personal stories set during the Clone War, I think it’d really do wonders for that time period. We get some of it from the TV shows, but nothing actually good.

But yeah if they want to stay away from the main saga at all costs I think the old republic era is definitely the most logical pick. I really don’t want it to be a Jedi story though, I think it’d be cool to see more Rogue One-like films.

You say there’d be too many expectations, but the Clone Wars has an even greater chance of “offending” people as it is directly connected to the films. And while I love the era there are many OT fans who don’t want to return to the PT, and I respect that… TOR is a fresh start for everyone.

I think about it like the MCU. You have a ton of comics/books/games on the era, and the producers are now free to tell their own story. Most complaints regarding the ST from fans has been towards inconsistent writing (agree or disagree). But by adapting characters you would be more in an MCU position.

Man, the MCU is a lot of things but I don’t think I would ever say that it has “consistent writing.” The less SW can be like the MCU the better honestly (and I love the MCU).

Well, one thing you have to admit is how happy and united the fandom is. A consistent vision is my stab at the answer to that. While any piece of new SW material will divide people. I was convinced Endgame would divide people for providing a definitive ending… but that’s not the case.

I couldn’t care less whether the fandom is divided or not. I care about the quality of the movie. People love Endgame but that’s because they created the film in such a way that their main goal was fan service/not making fans mad. I think that’s a poor way to approach a film when it’s at the expense of the story (which I’d argue is the case with that film). But anyway, fans don’t care and eat it up. That’s why it’s well received, not because the MCU has a “consistent vision” which is a claim that has no basis in reality.

OutboundFlight said:

Omni said:

OutboundFlight said:

How so?

I think there’d be too many expectations from a lot of people that’d potentially ruin the films whichever way they go.

I’d be all in for more personal stories set during the Clone War, I think it’d really do wonders for that time period. We get some of it from the TV shows, but nothing actually good.

But yeah if they want to stay away from the main saga at all costs I think the old republic era is definitely the most logical pick. I really don’t want it to be a Jedi story though, I think it’d be cool to see more Rogue One-like films.

You say there’d be too many expectations, but the Clone Wars has an even greater chance of “offending” people as it is directly connected to the films. And while I love the era there are many OT fans who don’t want to return to the PT, and I respect that… TOR is a fresh start for everyone.

I think about it like the MCU. You have a ton of comics/books/games on the era, and the producers are now free to tell their own story. Most complaints regarding the ST from fans has been towards inconsistent writing (agree or disagree). But by adapting characters you would be more in an MCU position.

Man, the MCU is a lot of things but I don’t think I would ever say that it has “consistent writing.” The less SW can be like the MCU the better honestly (and I love the MCU).

Honestly the first thing I thought when I looked at that phot was that it seemed like it was from the TLJ shoot. I don’t think it’s a misdirect, Vanity Fair has limited info and probably just tried to make a cool looking shot based on the scene from TLJ. Or none of what I said is true. Who knows.

Hal 9000 said:

Just read about “new desert planet Pasaana.”

It’s a minor thing, but if you want a desert planet why not pick Jakku or Tatooine, and if you want a new planet then why another desert planet?

I mean I think the simple answer is desert locales are always beautifully cinematic (and their iconography has roots in a variety of genres and mediums that SW is known for pulling from), and if they were going to go back to an existing desert planet there should be a reason why they were going back to that one specifically.

I don’t terribly mind an excess of desert planets, if I understand correctly it’s likely the most common biome.

Couple interesting bits

For Jar Jar, you could potentially cut it just as it hits the pod, right before bounces off and falls in and see if that might work.

I personally would probably just cut the whole bit of him getting zapped.

Hal 9000 said:

Sounds like Ash, Dominic, and I are about the same age. Taco Bell will always be Tatooine to me. lol

I think I’m a few years younger, but in the same ballpark. Hated Taco Bell when I was a kid but I do remember making my parents take me there so I could get this guy

ZkinandBonez said:

Despite all its faults, I’ll always fondly remember TPM as my first SW movie.

Wasn’t the first that I saw but I guess it was the first that I saw in theaters. Saw it twice (probably the first time I saw a movie more than once in theaters). The wait for the VHS killed me.

ZkinandBonez said:

DominicCobb said:

At the end of the day, I think what’s most notable about TPM is that it is the only Star Wars film ever that is just pure, unfiltered George Lucas. With the OT there were a lot of factors that pushed the films away from the vision in his head and a lot of people refining what he wrote. With AOTC he was responding a bit to the criticism of TPM and also coming up with a lot of stuff on the fly and in post. And with ROTS he was playing catch up and providing some fan service. But TPM is really the only one where he had a lot of time to write all by himself (and a lot of freedom in the story due to its setting in the timeline), and then when it came to production there was basically nothing stopping him (technology or budget-wise) from getting exactly what he wanted. It’s definitely an interesting film to look at in that regard, but ultimately I think it’s clear to see the problems with that as well.

I never thought of it that way, but you’re completely right. Have you read “The Star Wars”, the comic adaptation of Lucas’ first draft of the original film? It’s very TPM-like in many ways. It has complicated galactic politics, a Wookiee equivalent of the Ewok/Gungan battle at the end, very stiff and formal Jedi Knights, etc. Its’ interesting to think of what SW would have been if the first film, in the literal sense, would have been more like TPM.

Yeah I’ve read it! One of the reasons why I feel like TPM is George unfiltered. You can see how there’s a lot of things he wanted to do with the series since the beginning that he wasn’t able to until Episode I. It’s fascinating to think that that might have been his conception of SW all along and that he simply wasn’t able to accomplish with the OT - but so meanwhile everyone else in the world ends up a conception of SW that is based solely on what the finished product of the OT actually was, and they’re ultimately two fairly different things.

Hal 9000 said:

It may not sound too bad without the added word at the end.

https://vimeo.com/337336010

Not terrible, maybe trim the extraneous sound 3PO makes after “nature” if possible, and then I’d also suggest cutting the end of the shot by a few frames as it seems to linger awkwardly for a beat there without the additional word.

For me it’s pretty insane that it’s been 20 years, because this is probably the first big thing that I personally remember happening that is now 20 years old. Which yeah, I guess makes me feel old too.

Reflecting on TPM is weird for me, because it’s a film that I have an absolutely immense amount of nostalgia for, but it’s nostalgia that is ultimately trumped by my feelings for the saga as a whole, simply because TPM has never in my life been my favorite Star Wars (can’t remember if it ever got higher than 4th place honestly). So there’s a fondness for the film that is ultimately tempered by a lot of things.

At the end of the day, I think what’s most notable about TPM is that it is the only Star Wars film ever that is just pure, unfiltered George Lucas. With the OT there were a lot of factors that pushed the films away from the vision in his head and a lot of people refining what he wrote. With AOTC he was responding a bit to the criticism of TPM and also coming up with a lot of stuff on the fly and in post. And with ROTS he was playing catch up and providing some fan service. But TPM is really the only one where he had a lot of time to write all by himself (and a lot of freedom in the story due to its setting in the timeline), and then when it came to production there was basically nothing stopping him (technology or budget-wise) from getting exactly what he wanted. It’s definitely an interesting film to look at in that regard, but ultimately I think it’s clear to see the problems with that as well.

So yeah, my feelings are mixed. But ultimately I think it’s a fun anniversary and will probably try to watch the film sometime soon, because I honestly still enjoy it quite a bit.

Anchorhead said:

Man, that’s a wide swing. Obviously the cost swings because some are mint and some are well-read. What is the significance of the 35 cent version?

Well I’m no expert but I’ve been getting more into buying comics recently and I’d say that it’s the quality is a big factor yes, but often it kinda just comes down to how certain places/people price them. A site like mycomicshop will give you a decent overview of how much the price shifts in regards to graded quality (https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=178101) but even there you’ll see it’s not perfectly standardized. From my experience with in person shops, some just tend to be more expensive than others in general. For instance, I wouldn’t say the one I saw that was going for $150 was in significantly that much worse shape to be so much less than the one that was $400. And the one that I got on auction for cheap is pretty fine (which is just luck). So I’d just say it’s pretty random in general.

The 35c if I’m not mistaken is a rarer book and therefore much more valuable simply because they didn’t print as many of them (the normal price was 30c, and they were just testing out the 35c price).

Anchorhead said:

Weird that they sort of knew what Vader looked like. I’ve seen this cover a ton of times, just never gave too much thought to how they had obviously seen some of what was coming. They must not have known or seen how big a part of the film the droids were. No Chewie either.

Edit ;

What’s an original of this go for these days? I see prices all over the map

Most shops I’ve seen having it going for somewhere between $150-$400.

Sometimes you get lucky though on eBay and pick up one for $25 (or at least that’s what I did, somehow).

Not sure what’s so bad about that. Only thing I’d do would be to mix the need line a bit lower to match his surrounding dialogue. Otherwise I think it works and is a pretty cool change.

ChainsawAsh said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

It’s only lose-lose if they do Revan, same as a Mass Effect movie that does Shepard. Old Republic era overall would be fine.

I doubt they’d do a direct adaptation anyway. And even if they did the games aren’t canon anymore so they’re free to define it how they want (the people who’d be bothered would be a minority).

Well, of course, but Revan was a player-insert character, so everyone has their own view of what “their” Revan is. That’s why the TOR additions to Revan’s character were so poorly received. Any adaptation of the character will face the same issue, whether it’s adapting the same story as KOTOR or telling a new one.

I just mean the amount of people who have played the game and have strong feelings about the character two decades later is number that pales immensely in comparison to the size of the general target audience for Star Wars films.

Fang Zei said:

Just how far, if at all, has the nu-canon delved into the pre-TPM era?

Do we even have a vague idea of what it looked like from TCW/Rebels and the new books/comics/games or would the filmmakers have pretty much a blank slate to tell whatever story they want?

Might as well be a blank slate.

ChainsawAsh said:

It’s only lose-lose if they do Revan, same as a Mass Effect movie that does Shepard. Old Republic era overall would be fine.

I doubt they’d do a direct adaptation anyway. And even if they did the games aren’t canon anymore so they’re free to define it how they want (the people who’d be bothered would be a minority).

Omni said:

I doubt they’ll go with anything “The Old Republic” theme. It’s a lose-lose situation.

If anything I’d think the opposite. It’s the easiest way to get far away from the main saga while still being an easily understandable and somewhat familiar era.

ChainsawAsh said:

Eh, that’s fair, but they definitely got sick of the show after they passed the books and put an artificial cap on it so they could move on to other things instead of letting the story dictate the length of the show, whether that meant handing over the reigns to someone else or sticking it out as long as it took.

Well I still doubt your premise (re: the artificial cap because they just wanted to move on, not the artificial cap itself) is true but either way we can agree that the last two seasons are rushed and messy as hell.

ChainsawAsh said:

As much as I love Star Wars, this basically confirms that they butchered the ending of one of my favorite TV series because they got bored and wanted to speed it along so they could go play Star Wars instead.

In all fairness I really doubt that’s true. The pair have been talking about the silly “exactly 73 hours” thing for a long time, most likely far before they were approached by LFL.

ChainsawAsh said:

oojason said:

‘Disney: The next Staer Wars film will come from ‘Game Of Thonres’ creators, and more live action series coming to Disney+’:-

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2019/05/disney-the-next-star-wars-film-will-come-from-game-of-thrones-creators-and-more-live-action-series-coming-to-disney.html
 

Uuuuuughhhhh…

My thoughts exactly.

RogueLeader said:

Legit question, what do you need to know to be able to do a mindtrick?

You have to have at least 9000xp.

I feel like you’re trolling me at this point honestly.