DominicCobb

I think it’s pretty ambiguous exactly what the situation is.

Shopping Maul said:

I know this is completely off-canon but Palpatine in TROS was, to me, more like an extension of the original TESB Emperor with the monkey-eyes. This version didn’t feel like the Naboo Senator gone bad or even the hammy ROTJ guy to me. The idea of the Sith as this secret cult of gothic sorcerers really worked for me too, even if it doesn’t necessarily line up with what has gone before.

This is pretty true. Despite his decaying image we don’t have the typical cackling character. Much more the cool, calculated schemer. More of an ethereal demon. It’s a new register for McDiarmid but it feels in character.

NeverarGreat said:

He looks genuinely creepy in this. Definitely up there with ROTJ but in a more undead way.

The makeup seems to suggest his body is essentially a corpse, which is pretty cool.

He gets rejuvenated and ends up with the melted look again. It’s brief, but it’s much loser to ROTJ than ROTS.

CatBus said:

I should point out that Star Wars won an Academy Award for editing (due in no small part to the work of Marcia Lucas), so being in awe of its original editing is not unwarranted.

People tend not to realize I suppose that Lucas oversaw the editing team and even did some editing himself on the film.

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

J0E said:

Mocata said:

Chewielewis said:

Ronster said:
If you take the spliced in shots of R2-D2 on death star whilst playing chess on the millennium falcon. If I was right that those stop motion chess pieces time exactly with the spliced in shots of R2-D2 then we can confirm Special effects not completed and R2-D2 was spliced in to cover the unfinished sequence although it was shot just not finished. If you were going to do a Special Edition why on earth would you not restore those special effects shots restoring how the film was planned and “meant to be”

These aren’t unfinished effects. They probably just forgot to do closeups of R2 in the falcon. Whoever thought of using the Death Star footage for that scene was a genius, you’d never know if someone hadnt pointed it out to you.

The editors were legit geniuses.

This^
At this point I’m inclined to believe that Star Wars was a s**t-show saved in editing. Especially given how the prequels are… the prequels, how Jedi is paced (I say this because it’s the OT movie Lucas had the most control over) and how the Special Edition and '04/'11/'19 revisions are edited. I think Lucas needs to be kept as far away from the editing process as possible. Thank the 9 he didn’t have control over then new films.
(Sorry mods for getting off topic.)

Given that the ST didn’t turn out that great for many, I would say the editing while important isn’t what determines how well a Star Wars film is regarded by posterity. Overall the ST has turned out to be a mixed bag, like the PT before it. It just has different flaws than the PT. I would say Lucas’ imagination and drive is still the main ingredient to the success of the franchise, and I personally prefer the PT over the ST despite its many flaws in the execution department.

It’s almost impressive how you can turn every topic into a dig at the ST.

Considering I’ve hardly discussed the ST in many months, I don’t really know what you’re talking about. Please point to the many topics I’ve turned into a dig at the ST in recent times, otherwise please get your facts straight before posting innuendo. However, I don’t really care for the myth, that Star Wars somehow became a success despite George Lucas. Without GL there would be no Star Wars, and if others can “take a dig” at the PT to “prove” that Lucas’ contribution is overrated, I can point to the unimaginative, and highly derivative nature of the ST to argue the opposite. If that’s considered a dig at the ST by some hypersensitive individuals, so be it.

Maybe I just think there’s a way to discuss the topic at hand without going off topic? Maybe not recently but it’s a common occurrence that when someone makes a dig at the PT you come rushing in to make sure everyone knows the ST is worse. If you love the PT so much you should be able to defend it without putting unrelated films down. It’s hardly an effective arguing tactic.

DrDre said:

J0E said:

Mocata said:

Chewielewis said:

Ronster said:
If you take the spliced in shots of R2-D2 on death star whilst playing chess on the millennium falcon. If I was right that those stop motion chess pieces time exactly with the spliced in shots of R2-D2 then we can confirm Special effects not completed and R2-D2 was spliced in to cover the unfinished sequence although it was shot just not finished. If you were going to do a Special Edition why on earth would you not restore those special effects shots restoring how the film was planned and “meant to be”

These aren’t unfinished effects. They probably just forgot to do closeups of R2 in the falcon. Whoever thought of using the Death Star footage for that scene was a genius, you’d never know if someone hadnt pointed it out to you.

The editors were legit geniuses.

This^
At this point I’m inclined to believe that Star Wars was a s**t-show saved in editing. Especially given how the prequels are… the prequels, how Jedi is paced (I say this because it’s the OT movie Lucas had the most control over) and how the Special Edition and '04/'11/'19 revisions are edited. I think Lucas needs to be kept as far away from the editing process as possible. Thank the 9 he didn’t have control over then new films.
(Sorry mods for getting off topic.)

Given that the ST didn’t turn out that great for many, I would say the editing while important isn’t what determines how well a Star Wars film is regarded by posterity. Overall the ST has turned out to be a mixed bag, like the PT before it. It just has different flaws than the PT. I would say Lucas’ imagination and drive is still the main ingredient to the success of the franchise, and I personally prefer the PT over the ST despite its many flaws in the execution department.

It’s almost impressive how you can turn every topic into a dig at the ST.

J0E said:

Mocata said:

Chewielewis said:

Ronster said:
If you take the spliced in shots of R2-D2 on death star whilst playing chess on the millennium falcon. If I was right that those stop motion chess pieces time exactly with the spliced in shots of R2-D2 then we can confirm Special effects not completed and R2-D2 was spliced in to cover the unfinished sequence although it was shot just not finished. If you were going to do a Special Edition why on earth would you not restore those special effects shots restoring how the film was planned and “meant to be”

These aren’t unfinished effects. They probably just forgot to do closeups of R2 in the falcon. Whoever thought of using the Death Star footage for that scene was a genius, you’d never know if someone hadnt pointed it out to you.

The editors were legit geniuses.

This^
At this point I’m inclined to believe that Star Wars was a s**t-show saved in editing. Especially given how the prequels are… the prequels, how Jedi is paced (I say this because it’s the OT movie Lucas had the most control over) and how the Special Edition and '04/'11/'19 revisions are edited. I think Lucas needs to be kept as far away from the editing process as possible. Thank the 9 he didn’t have control over then new films.
(Sorry mods for getting off topic.)

I love this idea that Lucas somehow had the editing of Star Wars taken away from him and had no input whatsoever.

Maybe just, I don’t know, don’t be a dick?

NeverarGreat said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Not really related to the conversation at hand, but in October I went to the movies to see The Lighthouse. Not a big deal, right? Well, it was for me; this was the first — and at present, only — time I’ve actually been to the theatres. And I enjoyed the experience very, very much. I got a great seat, the handful of people in the theatre with me kept quiet, and the film itself was excellent.

It kinda blows my mind that you’ve seen so many movies and this is the first one you’ve seen they way they were meant to be seen. There’s something special about being in a theater with a crowd of fellow audience members. It sounds like you had a group who was quiet and I usually appreciate that, but some of my favorite experiences are those colored by the reactions of the audience, especially the precocious comments of the youth who don’t yet know proper theater etiquette.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed it and I hope you go again in the future!

+1

Who cares about a good story, fan service is so much better!

liamnotneeson said:

Peter Pan said:

^This would have been an actual reason for the ST.

That would have made the Prequel Trilogy thematically pointless. Nothing that the TLJ did pissed off fans as much as telling them that Anakin isn’t the Chosen One.

Ironically, nothing the PT did pissed off fans as much as saying he was.

Hal 9000 said:

Was Maz Kanata a puppet this time around? The only reason I can imagine for that being the case is if the movie were being reconfigured so late in the process that it was easier to do it this way.

It looked like yes, but I believe the reason is that they initially wanted her to be a puppet in TFA anyway.

Okay maybe I’m way off, but I’m prepared to guess as to a deleted scene that exists regarding the resolution of what Finn was going to tell Rey. Basically, Poe seems to be more miffed about it than anyone, and it kind of goes with this idea that they’re not really working together. So I think either right before or after Poe tells Finn he needs him in command with him, there’s a scene that sort of mirrors Han and Leia’s last scene in ROTJ (because how could they resist), where Poe guesses that Finn loves Rey, and he clarifies no, they just both have the force. At least, that’s what I’m guessing/hoping.

I guess I mean my edit idea is to remove his ghost from ROTJ, which means you don’t have to do the much harder job of adding him to movies he’s not in (I have no idea how to do that).

After seeing the film again, I believe removing Rey Palpatine would be pretty easy.

You might still want to beef up Kylo’s talking to Rey, and really sell home the vision of her taking the throne (otherwise it might feel like something’s missing), but purely removing that familial link shouldn’t be hard at all.

Personally I don’t think he should have a force ghost. Which would solve that problem.

pleasehello said:

dgraham414 said:

Alright during the Rey Kylo fight in the water Finn and Jana are inside the wreckage, then 10 seconds later they’re on top of the wreckage, then Rey pushes Finn through the waves, then we see them on Ajan Kloss with zero explanation of how they got there or when they repaired the Falcon. Just a small scene needed to be added to fix this…

The scene with them repairing the Falcon is when Jana reveals that she was a former storm trooper. One can assume they finished up repairs and headed back to base. I didn’t think it was a huge leap.

You see the Falcon come to pick them up.

Mocata said:

RogueLeader said:

I’m kind of curious if Ben Solo took an Imperial TIE from the wrecked Death Star, because they don’t have a hyperdrive, right?

Correct.

Worse is how the FO TIEs kept following the Falcon at the start… What is that about?

Probably the last movie where they developed lightspeed tracking.

Don’t feed the troll.

To me what makes characters interesting are there arcs, not just how “fun” they are. TFA and TLJ accomplished this. TROS had cool character ‘moments,’ but it’s just about impossible to track any of the characters stories scene to scene. It’s a mess, which really sucks as a conclusion to their stories (especially when many of them undermine the lessons of the previous films).

I thought it was pretty clear it was a binary sunrise, personally. It’s funny, I had a similar thought as Nev as to what the final shot would be. I figured sticking the lightsaber in the air was iconic Star Wars but never seen in the films, so it’d work perfectly with the picture perfect ending convention.

Oddly enough, they actually did decide to evoke a poster, but instead the TFA IMAX poster.

I’m not sure I really understand the complaint that she “ends up alone,” which I’ve seen a lot and I don’t think the film supports, but I do get that it seems weird to end the film with just her, considering. They apparently filmed a version with everyone there, I wonder if they’d include that alternate on the BD.

The fact that people use the term “OP” when referring to a character is just proof of how people are looking at these movies in all the wrong ways.

Maybe people could, I don’t know, not be dicks? I didn’t like the film very much but you don’t see me going around being an ass about it (nor many of the other people that felt the same way).

Here’s a very quick and dirty opening crawl that puts off the Palpatine reveal:

The galaxy is in despair. Under Supreme Leader KYLO REN, the First Order has taken control of all the major planetary systems.

But the spark of hope is spreading under the leadership of GENERAL LEIA ORGANA, who trains REY to restore the legacy of the Jedi.

Meanwhile, Kylo Ren searches the Unknown Regions for the source of his former master’s dark power, determined to quell the RESISTANCE once and for all . . . .

No spoilers in this thread, I believe.