DominicCobb

This thread sucks I like the old ones better.

If I could just put in my two cents on the midichlorian subject, I would say the concept of strength in the force being determined biological is far from stupid, makes sense, and does have similar precedent in other non-SW sci-fi works.

However, it really makes no sense in the context of the OT. Along with what everyone's been saying (it's a fantasy), it's clear that the force is something that could be learned by anyone, even if it's something that must be taught (jedi training). Besides Han and Motti's remarks, we must also remember non-jedis telling other non-jedis "May the force be with you," something that wouldn't make sense in a world with midichlorians, in which the force can only be with jedis.

Also, it annoys me that the moniker "jedi knight" has practically zero meaning in the prequels. It should be: those that know the ways of the force are jedis. Those who use it to keep the peace are jedi knights. The super powerful force user teachers are the jedi masters. This is what's implied in the OT and should have been in the PT. 

Do you remember in Space Seed when they're on the Botany Bay and the air pressure or whatever is about to kill sleeping Khan but then Kirk breaks open the glass and saves him? I wish that when Marcus was on the Botany Bay Khan just died and have Harrison say something like "we lost our leader when they tried to wake him up, thankfully I didn't suffer the same fate." People would be pissed that they killed Khan off screen but hopefully they would understand why, Khan's already had his day. Really I feel like the only reason they called him Khan was so Spock could yell "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!" though of course even that scene felt out of place.

Hell, they could of at least explained his British face by saying Marcus gave him plastic surgery or something, I was actually half expecting this.

Whatever, it's really not that big of a deal in the end. It would only really be annoying if Khan did all the same stuff as before, but like I said earlier, he's got a new plot so he doesn't feel been there done that.

Saw him in From Paris with Love and he was absolutely dreadful, hope this isn't true.

CP3S said:

DominicCobb said:

if they keep up the quality, this will easily be one of the greatest film trilogies ever.

Wow! No offense, but some of you guys never fail to surprise me with how willing you are to consume and enjoy pure shit. If you enjoyed it, great. But seriously, one of the greatest film trilogies ever?

This is why Orci, Kurtzman, Abrams, and Bay are some of the hottest names as well as the go to guys in Hollywood right now. Mix some dog awful but sometimes quipy dialogue over a tried and true (and tired) plot, add pretty lights and explosions, a few pairs of tits and some hot young faces, and BAM! Hollywood magic! Enthralled audiences! Raking in money by the millions!

Ugh!

None taken. While I realize some people don't like these movies, I have to say I'll never understand how people could compare them to Michael Bay. I don't know, agree to disagree.

Anyway, saying this could be one of the greatest film trilogies of all time does not mean that I think these are some of the greatest films of all time, because they aren't. I simply mean that when you when you really think about it, there are only a handful of really great film trilogies (I could go through them but I do not think here is really the place, but really, think about how many great trilogies there are). A good film trilogy to me is one that keeps a consistent high quality. The prospect of these new Star Trek films having a third film of high quality to round out their trilogy excites me. But of course, if you think these movies are pure shit, then you wouldn't understand that.

SilverWook said:

I had those emotions too. In 1982! ;)

Ha, ha, well I guess I understand that. To me the WOK connection only made the emotions stronger.

I disagree about the dramatic tension being lost on Kirk's death. Even though I forgot about the tribble by the time Kirk was dying, I knew he wouldn't stay dead for long. But that didn't matter. To Kirk, and to Spock, he was dying. And he died. They were feeling some pretty strong emotions, and, because I love these characters so much, and, because the scene was so well executed, I felt those emotions with them.

I will concede that this definitely isn't as uplifting as the previous one. It's actually that very fact that's making me consider my preference towards Into Darkness. Honestly, this reminds me of my feelings toward Star Wars. I used to think ESB was the greatest, by SW just got this great feeling of hope to it. Star Trek 09's got that too. I don't know. I'll have to wait some time to see how my opinions form.

I've seen it it's awesome go watch it.

Just saw it yesterday. No offense, but you guys never fail to surprise me with your cynicism and apparent inability to enjoy things for what they are. I absolutely LOVED this film. Possibly my favorite Trek movie of all time.

The rumors have been speculating a Khanbermatch for some time now, and going into the movie I really put it at the back of my mind because I didn't want it to happen. Not because I didn't like Khan, on the contrary I love Wrath of Khan as much as the next guy. But, I felt Khan was well and covered between Space Seed and WOK. 

However, when he showed up here, it was clear from the reveal that this was new ground. And it all was. My main worry when the Khan rumors were circulating was that they were going to just retread WOK. But this felt wholly original. Really everything he did here was new. That made me happy, and it made me okay that they didn't do more with him because I really didn't feel they needed to, or should, tread ground that had already been very well trodden. Of course I'll admit that making him Khan and not one of the others wasn't entirely necessary, and getting over the fact that Cumbermatch looked nothing like Montalban took a bit. (Speaking of unnecessary: the Nimoy cameo.)

As for the other shout outs to WOK, I thought they were well placed and properly executed, and just fresh enough to still make me happy. Or sad in the case of Kirk's death. Yeah, I'll admit it. I cried. (Though I have to say Spock yelling "KHAAAAAN" in the middle of my crying spell killed it a bit, but I'll probably be more okay with it on second viewing.)

Anyways I am beyond pumped for Trek 3, or whatever they'll call it, Return of the Trek or some shit. Should be amazing, and, if they keep up the quality, this will easily be one of the greatest film trilogies ever.

Honestly I would be disappointed if the new trilogy centered on the old guys. First of all, the previous six movies all featured a mostly young cast. Secondly, their stories are over. Sure, you could give them other things to do, but I like the idea that the OT was their central story, just as the PT was for Obi-Wan and Anakin, though they were both in the OT films as well.

^Actually that's something I notice every time I watch but I've never thought much about. Would be interested to know if Ady plans to fix.

Yes!

I just bought this: 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Marvel_Comics_Illustrated_Version_of_The_Empire_Strikes_Back

for $3 at a local antique shop earlier today. I've been grinning ever since.

I went to the memorial, that has been set up in Boston, yesterday. It's quite touching, if you guys were considering a visit.

Tough news for me, as a resident of MA. I'm not in the country right now, but I know people who were there. They're okay, but it just pains me. Three explosions, one at the JFK library. A bad day for my favorite city.

I think we all need to realize that SW isn't necessarily any worse off because of this. Remember those Wii and Kinect games? Remember that Han Solo signing and dancing load of shit?

This looks like one of the coolest things I have ever seen. I've wanted to know what that story would've looked like for practically all my life (I know that sounds a little ridiculous).

Okay that thermal detonator hot potato game looks sweet... but who even likes Salacious Crumb?

Well, I knew it had been a while since I posted my LMS, but I didn't know how long it was. Anyway, here's actually my entire viewing for the month of March, I'll try to be brief:

The Raid: Redemption (2012) 8/10 - Seriously awesome action movie. Not much more.

The Racket (1928) 8.5/10 - Engrossing silent gangster pic. A little to fast at first.

Let There Be Light (1946) 9/10 - Extremely interesting documentary study of psychonuerotic WWII vets by John Huston. Wish there'd been more.

The Master (2012) 10/10 - Second watch even better than the first. I feel like I really understand this movie now. The above doc gives insight.

Rio Bravo (1959) 9.5/10 - Great western. Honestly great all around. 

Good Morning, Vietnam (1987) 9/10 - Quite funny, somewhat moving film.

The Great McGinty (1940) 9/10 - Sharp, often laugh-out-loud political satire.

Spellbound (1945) 9/10 - Hitch scores again. Excellent all around as usual. When you think about it, though, it's basically your standard Hitchcock murder story, but with a delusional twist.

Breathless (1960) 9/10 - Definitely a great movie. Didn't really click with me, though. Will have to watch again sometime.

The Breakfast Club (1985) 9/10 - Pretty damn good. Love the style. Little too stereotypical. I know some would say this film proves stereotypes wrong, but it doesn't, it just explains them. 

The Karate Kid (1984) 8.5/10 - Don't know what took me so long to see this. Very enjoyable film, even if it's oftentimes very silly. 

Killing Them Softly (2012) 8/10 - Had high hopes for this because of Andrew Dominik's last film. Was disappointed. There is some honestly great stuff in here, including top-notch performances from pretty much everyone. But there's no flow. It's very uneven. You can't get into it.

21 Jump Street (2012) 9/10 - I never had any desire to watch this. But I did, and I'm glad. It was hilarious. I don't know, maybe I'm alone here, but I thought this was great.

Sixteen Candles (1984) 8/10 - Pretty good. Very silly, very over-the-top. But sometimes pretty funny, and pretty honest.

Men In Black 3 (2012) 8/10 - A lot better than I expected. Very funny, very enjoyable. Doesn't really get started until J goes back in time. Lot of potential missed. But great fun anyway.

Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 and 2 (2012/2013) 8.5/10 - I'm giving the score as an overall. It would be lower otherwise. This definitely needs to be watched back to back. If it is, it's an amazing Batman story.

The Bad News Bears (1976) 10/10 - I did not expect to love this movie as much as I did. Brilliantly crafted picture. 

The Hunger Games (2012) 8/10 - Not nearly as bad as expected. Actually quite good. Points deducted for saving character development, plot explanation, and a good ending for the sequels (at least I hope that that stuff will show up at some point. I will admit I've not read any of the books, so I do not know for sure).

Vampire's Kiss (1988) 8/10 - Jesus Christ what the hell is this movie. It took me awhile, but I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be a comedy. At least I hope so. Anyway, Nic Cage gives an outstanding performance that makes this one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. Any scene without him falls flat for me. Either way a seriously bat shit crazy movie.

You_Too said:

GlastoEls said:

Han v Vader in the finals, with Han to win by a nose. 

There's my prediction!

- I've been waiting for you, Han Solo.
- Yes, I'll bet you have...

Would be a pretty short duel. :)

Let us not forget what actually happened when Han did shoot first at Vader.

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

DominicCobb said:

On the other hand, just simply being a bad jedi would ignore what has come before.

Not really.

 

Probably depends on what you're already ignoring. If this is Episode VII, it would make sense that it takes into account all six films prior. All those six films feature at least one sith villain, or, maybe I should say, at least one villain per movie is one the dark side. Having the villain be simply a bad jedi, one that is not on the dark side, would be somewhat inconsistent me thinks, if you understand my reasoning.

I've been hoping for a jedi that is basically a self made sith, or like a sith wannabe. Basically a bad guy jedi who likens himself a sith. Actually being a sith would kind of ruin what has come before, I think. On the other hand, just simply being a bad jedi would ignore what has come before.

It sounds to me like Clone Wars will get its sixth season and then the boot.

Makes sense to me.

As alluring as new Star Wars movies are, some people won't shell out money for tickets when there's a SW show on TV. Sounds crazy, but it is kind of true.

The Clones Wars cancellation is equal parts disappointing and expected. I'm actually really behind on the show, but all of what I've seen is awesome. The expected part is that when the show was first announced, Lucas said it would actually only last 5 seasons. So I've actually been expecting an announcement of its ending for the past year or so.

Detours... well it looked pretty stupid. I was going to give it a chance because, you know, original SW material, but with these new movies, all I can say is fuck that. I could care less what happens to it now. 

Happy 10th, OT.com.

I know I only showed up a couple years ago, but I still want to that this is a great forum.

As a gift, I finally signed that petition.

In terms of what the ROTS opening should look like, aalenfae's more or less hitting the nail on the head. Check it out, it's pretty awesome: 

http://vimeo.com/43686972