Killing the Emperor and destroying the Death Star does not mean the defeat of the Empire, though it does mean their eventual downfall. Without either of those, the chances of the Rebels winning are high. The implication at the end of ROTJ is not that they have won the war, but that they will win.
Look at it this way. We see four Jedi in the OT. And they're all wearing the robes. Which implication makes more sense: it's a coincidence that they're all wearing robes, or they wear robes because they are Jedi?
Also, Jedi are supposed to be Samurai, right? Don't Samurai usually wear robes?
Jeez, anyone who makes a first time viewer watch the PT then the OT should be eaten and then slowly digested over a thousand years.
CO said:
Saga 4-6.1-3 vs Saga 1-6
Not sure what you're meaning there, I'm assuming it's Saga 4-9 vs. Saga 1-6. That's the only one I think you're missing.
Oh boy.
Anyway, I meant the multiple colors in the PT doesn't make any sense because, if you could make your lightsaber any color, why would the colors be 50% blue and 50% green with one purple and nothing else? And why, then, would all the Sith have red? It makes more sense to me if the Jedi have a unified lightsaber color (blue) which would also compliment the fact that the Sith lightsabers are uniform as well.
^Completely agree. Was going to say something similar. I wish the lightsaber colors actually meant something, but as the films stand now, the colors make practically no sense.
It's not a complaint, it's just a suggestion. I don't like the thought that Skywalker = Jedi and I especially dislike the thought that force user = lightsaber. A lightsaber is a weapon. Not all force users need weapons. ROTJ implied that Leia will learn the ways of the force, so I'll give you that. But she doesn't need to become a full on lightsaber toting Jedi master. It would make more sense if she remained in politics.
And seriously, how annoying is it that the EU decided to make all of Luke and Leia's (separate) offspring Jedi? Is that really necessary? Isn't there something else even one of them could be (and no, Sith doesn't count)?
Nostalgia certainly plays into it. For me, films I saw as a child I watch differently now than those that I didn't watch in my younger years. It's like my brain has two modes of viewing - pure childish marvel, and mature critical analysis. The real way to describe this would be passive vs. active viewing. Nowadays I tend to watch most movies the latter way. Of course, when I see a movie like, for instance, Thor: The Dark World, I turn off the more analytical aspect. I let the movie take me for a ride, but I still watch actively.
When I watch something like ROTJ, I find it's much easier to slip into passive viewing, because I've seen the film that way so many times. It's not how I prefer to watch movies, and I feel movies should stand up to active viewing as well, but I can appreciate a film that can simply give you an experience. ROTJ is up there with the other two when watched passively, no doubt. But when watched actively, there leaves much to be desired, unfortunately. That is why it is the least of the three.
Unlike most here, I was a child when the PT was released too. I greatly enjoyed those films at the time (of course there were some things about them that were annoying even for a kid). When I watch them actively today, I can't fail to notice the numerous flaws. However, I think I'm luck in that I can easily slip into that passive mode, and actually still enjoy them in their original state.
I have to say because of this I feel I'm actually more objective in my active assessment of the PT than most. I don't not share the hatred of them that most do. I think when people watch them, it is easy for them to slip into viewing the films with nothing but hatred. But I can say there are in fact redeeming qualities the the movies. They're not that bad. TPM and AOTC aren't really all that good, but ROTS is. I think it's closer in quality to ROTJ than most realize/would like to admit.
Please J.J., don't give Leia a lightsaber.
Lord Haseo said:
DominicCobb said:
Yeah, no one's going to like that idea round these parts. Especially not adywan who I believe has already said he won't do it (though I might be making this up - either way he won't be doing it I'm sure).
Hey! Logical person! We don't take kindly to people who use logic round here!
I don't personally think it's such an awful idea, I'm just saying it's been brought up before here and most people do think it's an awful idea.
When you think about it, it's not even logical in terms of the PT. I think the best way I can prove this is remember when Anakin lobs off Windu's arm? His eyes weren't yellow. So I don't see why Luke's would be in a similar situation. Also important to note that nowhere in the films are Dooku's eyes yellow, and Anakin only has yellow eyes in a couple of scenes though his evil acts surely outnumber that.
So really when you think about it yellow eyes make no sense in the PT and Ady will likely fix this by removing them (though probably not from Maul or Palps if I were to guess) rather than adding then adding them to the OT.
Yeah, no one's going to like that idea round these parts. Especially not adywan who I believe has already said he won't do it (though I might be making this up - either way he won't be doing it I'm sure).
AntcuFaalb said:
DominicCobb said:
The more I think about it, the more I realize I don't want there to be any red lightsabers in Episode VII.
I'll raise you...
I don't want to see more than two lightsabers in any single frame. I'll walk the fuck out if I do.
The PT ruined lightsabers for me.
Yes.
And as for why: yeah, I see red lightsabers as a Sith thing, specifically a Palpatine clan thing (if only because that's what we see in the films). I fancy the villain being a bad Jedi (is dark jedi the correct term?), or not a force/lightsaber wielder at all.
I haven't in some time but I used to tune in to the new Simpsons every once in awhile. Not good television by any means, but there were still laughs to be had.
On topic:
Episode VII: Not Even Remotely Like the Ones You Don't Like
The more I think about it, the more I realize I don't want there to be any red lightsabers in Episode VII.
Episode VII: Is ESBR Done Yet?
Episode VIII: Star Wars Blooper Reel
Episode IX: Can I Have an Invite?
^, ^^
TV's Frink said:
Don't post in this thread. That goes double for you, me.
I think a fan found a lost Laserdisc with unused footage.
Hmm, online auditions...
Has anyone here seen this? Great stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgLl0_mqLtc
We're talking about deepanddark20 right? Or is there another troll?
Oh wow, my bad, I thought you said "if I was closer to Boston" or something like that. Anyway, a shame.
Humby said:
I totally would have if they were closer to Boston. Obviously not expecting to achieve anything, but just to be involved in that experience. Even if its just the simplest of auditions, it's a great story to tell.
WAIT DID YOU SAY BOSTON? WHERE AND HOW CAN I GET IN ON THIS?
JEDIT: Sorry about that guys. Cooled down a bit. Looked it up, I think Humby must have made a typo, don't there were/are/will be auditions in Boston. Shame really considering I live there and fit the description of Thomas perfectly and would be forever happy just by auditioning for Star Wars.
deepanddark20 said:
Why don't I have my HD extended prequel cuts yet? You people have had a whole day to fulfill my request and I still see nothing. I'm supposed to get what I want! I'm not as forgiving as nightstalkerpoet. Oh yea, and stop ignoring his ideas too. Don't make me ask again!!!
At least I know now for sure that you've been joking.
So how did you view The Master then, as an ex-scientologist? You've written quite a bit about it but I'm sure you have other thoughts about it from this angle as well.
This would explain a lot, actually.