Interesting, seeing how this thread came about, and what is occurring now with scans and prints.
Team Negative1
Yes but not a technicolor print, right?
DominicCobb said:
Even if it seemed like it to you, the Force theme was certainly not overused in TFA. In fact, if I had to guess, of all the films in the saga TFA might be the one with the least amount of Force theme statements.I know it wasn’t. I was saying that it seemed like it because of the lack of a comparable theme.
One huge fumble was at the end fight when Rey closed her eyes and the force theme started. It should have been a triumphant statement of Rey’s theme.
Don’t think so. This was her “use the force, Luke” moment. Force theme was pretty crucial there.
In fairness, you could say that about any Star Wars movie (besides the original). The Force theme is the most memorable theme in cinematic history.
But TFA didn’t have an Imperial March or Duel of The Fates or Across The Stars to balance it out, which made it seem like the Force Theme was overused.
You got me on the Imperial March, no argument there, all time classic.
Across the Stars is undeniably a fantastic piece of music and one of Williams best, though I would agree Rey’s theme is in the same stratosphere.
Duel of the Fates is a fine cue, very catchy, but not very interesting as a recurring theme (shows up only at the end of TPM, a couple more times in AOTC and ROTS but with no variation or development).
Even if it seemed like it to you, the Force theme was certainly not overused in TFA. In fact, if I had to guess, of all the films in the saga TFA might be the one with the least amount of Force theme statements.
The mix in Jedi Steps was closer to the ROTS mix.
That’s not the music we’re talking about.
https://youtu.be/1bHtsDobdOk?t=51I know. My point is saying that it is “ripped straight out of ROTS” is just inaccurate
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Yes, I will admit that that 15 second snippet sounds very similar (not exact) to the ROTS arrangement, but to say it was ripped straight out of ROTS when the music before and after is drastically different just doesn’t seem right.
, though even if it was I don’t see the point. Especially strange coming from the guy who said that it doesn’t matter if a film reuses old music.
I said it’s fine as long as it fits the emotion in the scene. It did, but when the force theme kept popping up throughout the movie and was still more memorable than the rest of the score, including Jedi Steps up to that point, then there is a problem.
In fairness, you could say that about any Star Wars movie (besides the original). The Force theme is the most memorable theme in cinematic history.
Sorry, honest mistake. They’re from 420chan.
- The Empire Strikes Back
- A New Hope
- The Force Awakens
- Return of the Jedi
- Revenge of the Sith
- The Phantom Menace
- Attack of the Clones
1 and 2 don’t need an explanation, it’s pretty much a consensus. I’ve seen TFA twice now and I enjoyed it much more the second time. I rewatched RotJ and while I still love it, I have to admit that I think TFA is a better movie. Despite the similarities to ANH that have been discussed over and over again, I think it breathes new life into the franchise and has been the most engaging movie since Empire*.
All of the prequels are turds, but RotS is the most polished turd.
Deja vu.
Go back to 4chan.
This is funny because all your images are links from 4chan.
The mix in Jedi Steps was closer to the ROTS mix.
That’s not the music we’re talking about.
https://youtu.be/1bHtsDobdOk?t=51
I know. My point is saying that it is “ripped straight out of ROTS” is just inaccurate, though even if it was I don’t see the point. Especially strange coming from the guy who said that it doesn’t matter if a film reuses old music.
I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.
Because other than Rey’s theme, they are poorly used in the movie. March of the Resistance could have been used to pump people up, instead its placement in the movie and in the mix just seemed like an afterthought.
And Jedi Steps isn’t that good (to me).
When the X-Wings arrive at Takodana and the Resistance march plays, that’s some major pump-up-age. Sorry there wasn’t a super epic choir and 3 minute all CGI video game tracking shot to go along with it.
And Jedi Steps is objectively beautiful. You’d sing its praises if it was in a George Lucas film.
Why are you talking down to me? There is nothing OBJECTIVELY wrong with CGI.
Never said there was. Just wrong ways to use it. And I’m not talking down to you, just trying to figure out what a PT fan thinks would pump people up
Good filmmaking? Good movie moments? What kind of question is that?
Also, Jedi Steps is SUBJECTIVELY not beautiful. I would not have liked it in a George Lucas film because it’s like a half written piece. it’s extremely simple and never goes anywhere but into a rendition of the force theme with quiet strings that is ripped straight out of this shot/scene in ROTS-
(The segue into the force theme with quiet strings I mean. Obviously Jedi Steps is not in ROTS.)
I’m sorry, I think you meant THIS scene from SW.
The mix in Jedi Steps was closer to the ROTS mix.
DominicCobb said:
(Grievous is of course one of the lamest villains in the galaxy).Why do people think having a fearsome visage on a coward isn’t the point? Lucas wasn’t going for cool with Grievous, he was going for an imposing look juxtaposed with a pathetic personality.
I get it. But he’s still lame (in and out of universe). No reason to give his arrival on Utapau the most epic music evar is my point.
I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.
Because other than Rey’s theme, they are poorly used in the movie. March of the Resistance could have been used to pump people up, instead its placement in the movie and in the mix just seemed like an afterthought.
And Jedi Steps isn’t that good (to me).
When the X-Wings arrive at Takodana and the Resistance march plays, that’s some major pump-up-age. Sorry there wasn’t a super epic choir and 3 minute all CGI video game tracking shot to go along with it.
And Jedi Steps is objectively beautiful. You’d sing its praises if it was in a George Lucas film.
Why are you talking down to me? There is nothing OBJECTIVELY wrong with CGI.
Never said there was. Just wrong ways to use it. And I’m not talking down to you, just trying to figure out what a PT fan thinks would pump people up
Also, Jedi Steps is SUBJECTIVELY not beautiful. I would not have liked it in a George Lucas film because it’s like a half written piece. it’s extremely simple and never goes anywhere but into a rendition of the force theme with quiet strings that is ripped straight out of this shot/scene in ROTS-
(The segue into the force theme with quiet strings I mean. Obviously Jedi Steps is not in ROTS.)
I’m sorry, I think you meant THIS scene from SW.
In terms of original score, RotS rates as “meh”. TFA was definitely weak.
Battle of The Heroes, Grievous Speaks To Lord Sidious, The Immolation Scene, Anakin’s Dream and Anakin’s Dark Deeds vehemently disagrees.
These are all nice cues, but there is no coherence. There’s a similar sound, but they could all be from different films. There’s really not much in the way of new musical ideas that Williams develops and evolves throughout the score (contrast with something like TPM, crap film, great score).
Most of the cues you mention are just Williams working overtime to make things seem important (telling you what to feel rather than helping you feel it). Anakin’s Betrayal is pretty effective as a moving, sad piece of music, but there’s a dissonance when it plays over things we do not care about or feel emotion for (Jedi dying) and things we find hard to believe (Anakin slaughtering… younglings). The reason why The Starkiller is my least favorite track on the TFA OST is that, while a very well composed bit of music, it doesn’t quite fit into the context of the film (overly sad music for the destruction of a planet we don’t care about). One of the very few tonal missteps in the picture.
Grievous Speaks to Lord Sidious might be one of my all time least favorite Star War cues. Yeah, listen to it by itself it sounds super kool yo, but it’s so ridiculously over-the-top epic that it actually fits very poorly with what’s on screen - Grievous’s ship lands and he walks off. OK. There’s no tension in him walking off the transport (like Kylo Ren in TFA) and there’s no real villainy or interest that would require such bombast (Grievous is of course one of the lamest villains in the galaxy).
I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.
Because other than Rey’s theme, they are poorly used in the movie. March of the Resistance could have been used to pump people up, instead its placement in the movie and in the mix just seemed like an afterthought.
And Jedi Steps isn’t that good (to me).
When the X-Wings arrive at Takodana and the Resistance march plays, that’s some major pump-up-age. Sorry there wasn’t a super epic choir and 3 minute all CGI video game tracking shot to go along with it.
And Jedi Steps is objectively beautiful. You’d sing its praises if it was in a George Lucas film.
That_OT_Ruler said:
What about that extra scene in the snow with Kylo (no mask) that we’ve seen footage of? What’s that all about? Looks interesting.
Apparently Ren and some snow troopers find the Falcon and search it.
^I’ve been thinking they’ll release the OOT on the 40th for some time now. It might make even more sense now that the two (OOT and VIII) won’t be competing for the spotlight at the same time.
The funny thing is the Memorial Day tradition was really not missed at all. In fact, TFA fit into the holiday season like a glove. Christmas is where Star Wars was originally intended to be, and now we know Christmas is where Star Wars was truly meant to be and will continue to be (? IX and Solo are still slated for summer).
I’m sure Disney didn’t mind the change at all. Summer is where sequels go to cash in on their opening weeks and then die so other sequels can take their place. The weekend before Christmas is the perfect time for a special event film like Star Wars (this franchise is a different beast than others) where it can have a month of box office revenues all to itself.
yotsuya said:
It has more potential than the prequels, but the final product isn’t as well made.
When was the last time you watched those films?
In each of the other 6 films, the story came to a close. This one did not.
Incorrect.
I couldn’t care less about the whole team account kerfuffle but I will say the fact that they’re so insistent that LFL will never release the OOT and that their restoration is the only hope for fans is pretty silly. I mean, their work is awesome but it’ll still be awesome when LFL releases the OOT.
Luke is definitely standing in front of a very old grave.
I was wondering about that myself. Seen it 4 times and still couldn’t quite tell if it was a grave or just a crooked rock.
Notice that the third time. Has to be a grave, right? It’s the final scene of the movie and a big set up for the next one, you have to imagine they spent a lot of time making sure the setting was exactly right. I only buy it’s a crooked rock if that crooked rock is actually a natural part of Skellig Michael, and even then it’s possible that location was specifically chosen because of the rock.
I mean, it does seem silly to put so much importance into a rock but Luke seems to be looking right at it. Must be a reason for that, no?
Welp, Episode VIII’s release date is now December 15, 2017.
http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-viii-to-open-december-15-2017?cmp=smc|339573415&linkId=20528616
I’m not super surprised because I heard shooting had been pushed back a couple months due to script changes. I can imagine the release and response of TFA probably has something to do with changing certain things about VIII.
I guess this is a good thing because they’re spending more time on it but… I was really excited that we only had to wait a year and four months for the next chapter. Now it’s almost a full two years! Whatever will I do??
it was little more than a way to show he wasn’t going to be content as a farmer.
Much as we all like some mild Lucas bashing from time to time 😉 SW77 does say that Luke’s father was murdered by another Jedi (Regardless of any other information imparted in ESB and ROTJ). So I think it’s pretty logical to assume Owen/Lucas was refering to this when he grimly said/wrote “That’s what I’m affraid of” rather than just refrencing Luke’s dislike of farming.
Well he means Luke’s father disliked farming as well and that’s what led to him becoming a Jedi and dying. So you’re both right.
No OOT, no sale.
Fully agree. I will also buy a new Star Wars home video release only if it includes the original theatrical cuts and/or deleted scenes.
Great idea. Someone should start a website for all the people who want the original theatrical cuts on home video.
BB-8’s going to be subtitled right? Of course he is.
So BB-8’s wandering the desert alone. We hear “Walking on Sunshine.” Darth Maul zooms past. BB-8: “WRONG PLANET.”
I believe I brought this up in the “What do you HATE about the EU?” thread. Here it is again for good measure:
Is there anything there that is particularly hate-worthy (only skimmed it), besides the fact that the character did not actually choose an ice cream maker as the one thing he wanted to save while fleeing the city?*
*no snark, I honestly love imagining that dude just really liked his ice cream maker, gives me a nice laugh every time I watch the film
I think it’s just a joke. Most people creating/sharing these memes loved the film and the characters they’re parodying.
Christ just make him a man. Han Solo was never a cheeky young boy. Han Solo was always a man. I dont want to know what it was that scarred him. I dont want to see a Tiger Beat Teen Solo where they’re in Galactic High School. I dont need to know his orphanage or whether his mother was abducted by Sand People.
Solo should be an episodic unconnected galactic adventure film. I dont need to know him as a child. And besides kids in the Star Wars galaxy suck.
Of the very little we know about the film, we’ve been specifically told this is NOT an origin story. And he’s early to mid twenties. Hardly a child. And his age probably has more to do with some distance from ANH than wanting to show him as a “kid.”
- Star Wars
- Revenge of The Sith
- The Empire Strikes Back
- Attack of The Clones/The Phantom Menace/Return of The Jedi(with Victory Celebration)
- Return of The Jedi sans Victory Celebration
- The Special Edition OT
- The Force Awakens
Have you even seen TFA or do you just disregard it because Lucas wasn’t involved?
