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#1024654
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Carrie Fisher Suffers Major Heart Attack
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Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Lord Haseo said:

Swazzy said:

https://twitter.com/danielmcfadin/status/813490774897782784

Damn, in hindsight I really wish she had a more prominent role in TFA. Rest in peace.

Here’s to hoping she has a stronger role in Episode VIII.

that is not funny.

It wasn’t meant to be funny Warb. She’s in the next movie and hopes she has a stronger role.

it has to be a joke as it is not possible for her to have a stronger role in the next film. She’s dead.

Warb, the movie’s already been shot.

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#1024652
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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I’m not really in the mood for a full breakdown but I’ll say a bit.

Poe is a secondary character in the film, and does not have much development beyond the sheer force of the personality Isaac gives him in his few scenes (which is more than enough to endear him to me). And there’s not much wrong with that little development because of the short screen time. Do I wish he was in it more? Hell yeah. But the character still works. Wedge? Are you kidding me? I didn’t even know who Wedge was until I discovered the internet.

There’s an argument to be made that Rey is possibly the most fully rounded character in SW in a single movie. The growth is exceedingly clear. She’s insecure of herself and wants to stay on Jakku, waiting. By the end she learns that her future lies ahead, not behind. She lets go of her past and accepts the path of the Force that she initially rejected.

Finn… what sudden jump? He’s fueled by fear throughout. What inspires him to finally “join” the Resistance is just to help Rey. He has certainly gained some sense of bravery when he stands up to Kylo Ren at the end, but he still has a ways to go before he’s a full fledged hero of the Resistance.

And anyway, you forgot one of the best arcs of the film: Han Solo.

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#1024087
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Ranking the Star Wars Soundtracks
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DominicCobb said:

SW - A+
ESB - A+
ROTJ - A
TFA - A
TPM - A-
AOTC - B+
ROTS - B

Changing this a bit. At the moment, I’m feeling Rogue One fits in between TPM and the rest of the PT, which might be mostly because I’m bored of those.

But still, though those compositions are certainly better in many cases, the scores are essentially (I feel) incomplete. Especially AOTC. So I think I’m also going to bump ROTS above that too. It sort of annoys me in a way because it feels quite un-Star Warsy in places (with all the epic choirs and tracks like “Padme’s Ruminations”), though I do think for the most part it’s rather consistent and a lot of great moments don’t even make it onto the OST. AOTC on the other hand tends to be boring, and though it has an amazing theme that works throughout the score (unlike ROTS), the whole climax is basically unscored which is a huge minus.

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#1024077
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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Tyrphanax said:

The Ultimate Edition of the score from The Phantom Menace is incredible and has a ton of fantastic unused music. I wish all the movies had gotten a soundtrack release like that.

I’d say I wish all the movies got a release like the OT special edition soundtracks. Those contain all the cues, unedited. The TPM Ultimate Edition has a lot of great stuff that wasn’t included on the OST, but it has all the music edits from the film which means, particularly in the climax, things tend to become a bit of a mess.

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#1023956
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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LexX said:

I agree that R1’s soundtrack beats TFA’s. Only good theme was Rey’s theme in TFA, whatever marches were way too prequelish for me and not even close to the OT. And even Williams admits its similarity to PT, IIRC in some interview.

I mean, R1’s soundtrack doesn’t stand that much out either but it’s much more consistent. It would have been way better if the guy had more than 4 weeks to score it. But at least it doesn’t sound prequelish.

And I don’t necessarily mean OTish = good, PTish = bad, but they are very different and these try to tie in with the OT, not the PT. PT has a few good themes too, but they don’t have the same feeling. Nevertheless, IMHO Williams just isn’t as good as he once was, and I don’t mean anything bad with it, that’s just the way it is. R1 with 1980’s Williams score would have kicked ass.

I don’t think TFA sounds very much like the prequels at all. It sounds different from the OT, sure (and I think it should). But it doesn’t sound anymore like the PT than it does the OT.

ssj said:

shameless plug alert

hey, domcobb, I suspect you’d get a kick out of THE SUKAIWAKA FORTRESS. I was initially going to deploy only one TFA tune (rey’s theme), but found many of the TFA tracks had solid hooks and ended up using quite a few.

Dude I know, been meaning to watch that.

part of the reason the TFA soundtrack might not be memorable at first is the way the songs were edited in the movie. on a rewatch of TFA, I noticed that many of the OST tunes were sliced & diced before they could really get going and show their quality.

This is par for the course, though TFA fares far better than most, especially the PT movies. I’d say, despite the editing of other cues, the Scherzo for X-Wing is really the only one we miss out on in the film.

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#1023897
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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LuckyGungan2001 said:

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Best post you’ve written yet.

Yes.

DuracellEnergizer said:

It’d be even better if he followed the new rules and removed that asinine political/religious garbage from his signature like he’s supposed to.

Yes.

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#1023895
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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Tyrphanax said:

I remember a lot more of the music from Rogue One. I also listened to this podcast at the behest of Tobar and gained an even larger appreciation for it.

You know I’ve heard these are good. I’ll have to listen at some point.

There’s also one for TFA. I bet they love it.
http://www.rebelforceradio.com/shows/2015/12/30/star-wars-oxygen-vol-25-the-force-awakens-part-1

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#1023893
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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TFA’s soundtrack is ALL killer. Damn guys.

Rogue One is a very fun listen but just right off that bat I don’t even agree with the approach. It has too much the classic Star Wars sound, not enough the score you’d imagine from a gritty war film. Even just any old war film. Check out the eponymous track on the OST (which has a cool WWII, Kelly’s Heroes sort of sound), that’s the kind of sound the whole thing could have had.

One of the most egregious instances of this is his scoring of the Imperials. Their music in the OT was often over the top big bad villain type of stuff. And it worked beautifully, of course, because of the kind of movies. This is supposed to be more down to earth, though. The Imperial music should be scary. Honestly, I think Giacchino drops the ball right off the bat in the opening scene. It’s great music, sure, but there’s really not much sense of impending dread, which is exactly what the scene calls for. It’s too big, too much bombast. Worse, maybe, is the first scene of the Death Star. It’s got that fun, catchy Imperial March pastiche. But you know, it’s kind of even more over the top “BAD GUYS!” than even that was, again, in a film that should have more nuance. Yeah, the Imperials are big and showy. But we should be getting a different angle on that here. I guess this is also the fault of the film in general for writing pretty basic scenes for the bad guys.

I suppose a lot of the blame can be put on the film too. Jyn’s theme is solid, though it’s kind of a bargain bin Rey’s theme, in a way. It’s tough, of course, because Rey’s theme is a legitimate masterwork. Seriously, not only is it complex and memorable/hummable (whatever it is people seem to care about so much), it also fits the character perfectly. So I guess I can’t really blame Giacchino for Jyn’s hazy characterization. Her theme is still nice.

I really do like the Guardians of the Whills theme. Fits Chirrut (and Baze) very well. Obviously doesn’t get as much play in the score as Jyn’s, for instance, but it’s solid. I do think Krennic’s theme is also fairly fitting, and much better than the general Imperial theme. The other big theme is the Hope theme, which is pretty hit or miss. Sometimes it sounds almost cheesy, SW rip-off-ish, other times it kind of works.

It’s a good score overall but when I compare it to TFA, it’s just not close. As I said before, Rey’s theme is genius and probably better than anything Giacchino’s ever written (and I love the guy). March of the Resistance too is also fantastic and again probably better than any of the new RO themes (case in point, check out that eponymous track again, maybe my favorite on the OST - it’s basically a second rate March of the Resistance). Poe’s also got a truly soaring theme which gets a few under the radar plays, and Kylo’s got two themes which I just find perfectly fitting. And this is of course without even going into how well the score works with the film. It’s classic Star Wars, but’s it’s still got a new sound to it, for the new generation. There’s also aspects of the score like the action music which I think just owns. Compare “Follow Me/The Falcon” to “Jedha City Ambush” and you’ll hear the same sort of idea but with, in my mind, a clear difference in quality. I will say Giacchino’s got some awesome stuff pumping during the climax but still, Williams duels Rey and Kylo’s themes against each other for the climactic “Ways of the Force” - storytelling through music and it is fantastic.

Also, “The Jedi Steps.” And don’t even get me started on the use of old SW themes.

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#1023886
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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I totally feel that. Starkiller is just really unfortunate. I think pretty much every other “rhyme” with ANH is totally justifiable but they never gave Starkiller a reason for being (plus it just doesn’t even make sense). They could have given it a reason for being or (better) done something different. But, as I’ve said, I do believe it is relatively easily overlooked. Not only is the plot not the only important aspect of the story of TFA, Starkiller isn’t even the main plot. Far more important in the 3rd act is saving Rey, bringing Ben home, and finding Luke. Minus the convenience (?) of R2 waking up, all that is very satisfying (and seeing Poe blow up the base is fun to watch too).

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#1023824
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

I really don’t give a shit about Starkiller Base, it’s dumb but it’s also such a relatively small part of the movie. There are other little things that bother me but they don’t amount to much with the overall story as satisfying as it is.

I think it’s a problem that the largest superweapon in the Star Wars universe to date can be accurately described as ‘a relatively small part of the movie’.

No you’re right that’s exactly the reason why it’s a problem (the scene where they formulate the plan is absurd) but it also makes it really easy to roll with it (again that scene, you kinda just have to laugh).

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#1023815
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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ssj said:

DominicCobb said:

That’s too bad. TFA only continues to improve for me.

Just goes to show what I said before about people looking for different things in SW. I liked RO, but second viewing didn’t do nearly as much for me, and I’m not aching to see it again. Whereas I can’t help but watch TFA through the end whenever it’s on TV.

I really don’t give a shit about Starkiller Base, it’s dumb but it’s also such a relatively small part of the movie. There are other little things that bother me but they don’t amount to much with the overall story as satisfying as it is.

agree. a year later, i still find TFA superbly entertaining. abrams is great at creating and directing memorable characters. his weak point is often story logic, but i’m willing to overlook that in TFA.

It’s a weak point he covers up very well with pacing and charm.

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#1023814
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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Lord Haseo said:

Even if you didn’t care for TFA and Rogue One you can’t deny Episode VIII has a lot of potential…ESB like potential.

  • Rey and Kylo Ren’s training (first time seeing a Dark Sider being trained in a SW film)

  • Finn trying to fit into The Resistance

  • Finn possibly finding out Poe shot his friend

  • Phasma going after Finn

  • Knights of Ren

  • Leia and/or Chewie confronting Kylo Ren

  • Possible learning at least something about Rey’s past or Snoke’s identity

  • The possible power vacuum left after the destruction of the Hosnian System

  • Learning about the ancient Jedi

I would be surprised if the film was anything less than great.

You forgot the obvious - Luke mofucking Skywalker, Jedi master.

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#1023692
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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That’s too bad. TFA only continues to improve for me.

Just goes to show what I said before about people looking for different things in SW. I liked RO, but second viewing didn’t do nearly as much for me, and I’m not aching to see it again. Whereas I can’t help but watch TFA through the end whenever it’s on TV.

I really don’t give a shit about Starkiller Base, it’s dumb but it’s also such a relatively small part of the movie. There are other little things that bother me but they don’t amount to much with the overall story as satisfying as it is.

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#1023617
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Merry Christmas(2016)
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Oh fun we’re talking about Christmas and Jews.

Well usually I quite enjoy Christmas, but this year it just feels like a chore. Mostly because I’ve been pretty unhappy these last couple months since my favorite Jew left me…

Anyway, enough of that. I still love Jews, and I do hope everyone else has a merry Christmas or whatever else they choose to celebrate.

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#1023311
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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corellian77 said:

Alderaan said:

What you are talking about is called dramatic irony. It occurs when there is so much meaning and revelation in the story, that you can enjoy and take pleasure in watching it over and over again throughout the years even though you already know what will happen in the plot.

Just for your own edification, this is not what dramatic irony means. Dramatic irony occurs when the audience is privy to information that a character is not, which in turn creates suspense or humour depending on the genre of the story in question.

Haha yes exactly, can’t believe I forgot to call that out.