DominicCobb

Who said they were phased out by TIE interceptors? Is that from a stupid video game no one cares about? That’d be like saying the X-wing was phased out by a B-wing.

And I’m sure you’re about to come in and tell me how the interceptor is superior and blah blah blah details that literally don’t matter for shit. But I don’t recall anything in the film that implies they’re anything but a different kind of fighter.

LexX said:

DominicCobb said:

Jesus dude you have no handle on the direction of this conversation.

I do. I’m just not answering to every single post in this thread. I was replying those posts quoted and if you are not capable of understanding how the texts in them are related, I cannot help you to make it anymore clearer.

I’ll try to explain as clearly and simply as I can: BobaJett was saying that he didn’t think that the soldiers could be wearing Rebel uniforms because if they were it would make Leia’s lie obvious.

Obviously, haven’t said anything but.

My whole point has only ever been that there are a number of reasons why that would be obvious, uniform or not. So basically, in regards to the question “are the gray and black vests” Rebel uniforms, my answer is that there’s no way to know for sure, because the outcome is the same either way.

Obviously, and that’s exactly what I said in my previous post. Read again.

Oh and btw, Leia says “When they hear you’ve attacked a diplomatic…” -> it is pretty clear the Empire attacked if you still think that Tantive IV shot first (maybe they can make a Special Edition about that) or that there would be a chance to welcome them aboard. But that’s besides the point. Anyways, I won’t be wasting more time with this.

I don’t what the fuck is wrong with you man. I didn’t know people could be so thick.

That’s the thing, I can never make a top ten that I’m willing to stand behind. There’s just too many movies I love too much.

There’s a very close to zero percent chance we’ll ever see an alternate cut of RO.

With VIII coming out this year, there’s likely to be a rerelease, which is also likely to have a 40th anniversary tag on it. Whether we will get anything new, we can only hope.

Yeah. I’m not sure why it matters, but if it bothers you, so be it.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/why-the-rogue-one-trailers-most-iconic-shot-never-appea-1790910745?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_twitter&utm_source=io9_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Not super relevant because I think these shots always looked like pure promo material but still worth noting.

Lord Haseo said:

Then I’ve been lied to…Regardless of that that I’ll still read the novel for Krennic alone.

Once you read it you’ll wish Krennic was even a fraction as interesting in the film as he is in Catalyst.

Lord Haseo said:

Tobar said:

Lord Haseo said:

The exchange between the two is amazing and I would have loved to see Krennic try to bring Galen to his side of thinking in a couple of flashback scenes. This also could have given the film more time to develop Galen as a character so that his death would be more impactful.

Definitely recommend Catalyst, Krennic is the best part of the book.

Funny you should say that as I was planning to pick it up in the next 3 weeks. Knowing that Galen purposefully crafted a weakness in the Death Star makes the premise of the novel 100 times more enticing to me. Also knowing exactly what he felt whilst keeping up his facade should be interesting as well.

That’s not what it’s about. The novel ends a couple years before the RO prologue.

Cthulhunicron said:

Mavimao said:

I always assumed it was Rey who triggers R2’s wake.

Here’s another plothole for episode 4: if Leia knew they had a tracking device on the Millenium Falcon, why did they go straight to the rebel base? Why not go to some moon, rendez vous with some rebels and use the MF as a lure later on.

According to the people who made the movie, you’re wrong. But I don’t blame you for assuming that, because the movie didn’t make their intentions clear.

That’s the filmmakers explanation and you can take it or leave it. The official, in-universe explanation is still open to a different explanation.

TFA is kind of vague about a lot of stuff. I don’t really understand why Leia’s forces are called The Resistance and not simply “The Republic Army.” The movie doesn’t really make it very clear which force is dominant in the galaxy, First Order or New Republic/Resistance. Do a few searches on the internet, you’ll see a lot of people were confused about various things in TFA.

The film is shy about getting into details, but you can still figure it out. The Republic has been the dominant force in the galaxy, but is sort of hands off (“a regime that acquiesces to disorder”). The First Order is relatively new (“in [Luke’s] absence the sinister First Order has risen from the ashes of the Empire”) and has taken control of a number of systems and is in the process of taking the rest (“all remaining systems will bow to the First Order”). The Republic says publicly it doesn’t have a problem with the First Order, but is actually trying to stop them through the clandestine Resistance (“the New Republic lies to the galaxy while secretly supporting the treachery of the loathsome Resistance”).

They’ve definitely applied some DNR to match the film footage better with the digital footage.

Jesus dude you have no handle on the direction of this conversation. Read the whole thread again if necessary.

I’ll try to explain as clearly and simply as I can: BobaJett was saying that he didn’t think that the soldiers could be wearing Rebel uniforms because if they were it would make Leia’s lie obvious. My whole point has only ever been that there are a number of reasons why that would be obvious, uniform or not. So basically, in regards to the question “are the gray and black vests” Rebel uniforms, my answer is that there’s no way to know for sure, because the outcome is the same either way.

I don’t think VR is the future of cinema at all. The language is completely different. So different, I’d say it’s another medium entirely. Will its popularity increase? Certainly. But it won’t supplant traditional cinema. It’ll just be a separate thing.

suspiciouscoffee said:

I remember the tip of a Star Destroyer popping out well in TFA (saw it 3D simply because it was earlier than the 2D show… and souvenir glasses).

Yeah there’s that one shot

because of the telephoto lens you don’t think much of in 2D but in 3D it looks like the tip is going to stab you in the eye. I remember gasps in the theater when I saw that shot in 3D.

The whole point of the discussion was “why would Leia lie through her teeth if the soldiers were wearing Rebel uniforms” to which the point I was making (which sorry if you weren’t paying any attention) was that there were a million reasons why she was obviously lying through her teeth besides the soldiers wearing rebel uniforms. So I really don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.

LexX said:

If you don’t remember, the movie starts with Star Destroyer chasing and shooting Tantive IV and then captures it, so I’m sure anyone who is inside isn’t waiting for a welcome party at the door, were they rebels or not.

No shit. But it’s the same situation. They were running away. And it’s not hard to imagine the Tantive shooting first. The Imperials had no reason to destroy the Tantive when their plan was to board it.

LexX said:

imperialscum said:

It is like trying to run away from cost guard when they try to inspect your boat.

You would too if you knew that they would kill you if they caught you. Lets not forget that the Empire knows that the plans are on board. There’s no way the crew would get away peacefully even if they handed the plans to Vader’s own hands.

No shit again but you’re clearing missing the point, which is that Leia was lying through her teeth.

Alderaan said:

[DominicCobb said:]

What I posted was not a “retcon” I just made up. That’s what was intended when the film was made.

But it wasn’t in the film, so it’s not part of the story. It was just an idea that was (eventually) discarded. The story ultimately went in another direction. It may have been possible to go with that idea at one point in time, but now it’s not, because it contradicts the final version of the narrative that was put out.

I’m not sure if I’m just arguing semantics at this point, but I couldn’t get the intent of the person who made that initial post.

I think it was just a tangent that didn’t have anything to do with the ultimate question of “does Tarkin know Palpatine is a Sith” to which I would say no.

That’s just the billing those films have always had. That’s there for A New Hope for, I assume, the same reason Fox owns the film in perpetuity. It’s all based in the original contract. Lucasfilm holds the rights to any future films beyond that one. But I believe Fox still holds distribution rights until 2020.

JEDIT: Well I guess they added “Episode IV A New Hope”

BobaJett said:

DominicCobb said:

If that was the preferred uniform of the rebels, then Leia rebutting Vaders claim at the beginning of ANH was pretty silly, seeing as that there were dead rebel troops laying about and others being taken into custody.

It doesn’t matter if they’re wearing a rebel uniform or not. The fact that they defended themselves against the stormtroopers at all makes them rebels. If Leia wasn’t lying, they would have let the Imperials board peacefully. Her lie was obvious to everyone there. It was done, like the rebel soldiers defending, to buy time for the plans to escape.

Yeh, Kind of. Bu Leia was a member of the Imperial Senate and supposedly on a diplomatic mission. So, if that story was to have any credence, that means that she has been affiliated with the greay and black guys before, otherwise Vader wouldve brought that up in their discussion. The fact they defended against the troopers is a bit flawed as evidenced by R1. the Empire often times did shady stuff behind the scenes to get what they wanted and then covered it up, ie: “inform the senate all aboard were killed.” I think anyone boarded in a violent way by troopers, good or bad, wouldve defended themselves regardless if they were rebel sympathizers. Just a thought though. I have a lot of free time to let my mind wander at work and this thought just popped into my head.

There’s no reason an Imperial consular ship housing an Imperial senator would have its troops start shooting at boarding Imperials unless they were willing to out themselves as rebels. I doubt the stormtroopers would have started shooting everyone if they were greeted by a welcome party.

Leia’s always been lying through her teeth. She was just trying to bide her time and use the last trick in her book: diplomatic immunity.

Alderaan said:

Not odd to discuss it, ATM. Sorry if I sounded like I was making that argument. I thought the argument that was being made was that since Lucas didn’t know where the story was going in the first place, it’s OK to go back in and retcon anything else.

I was just pointing out the error in logic with regard to that line of thinking.

What I posted was not a “retcon” I just made up. That’s what was intended when the film was made.

Never any release unfortunately.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

ATMachine said:

Neither did George Lucas, at the time.

Honestly difficult to imagine Vader being subservient to anyone who wasn’t at least his peer vis-a-vis the force.

But the thing is, at the time, the Emperor was designed just as a figure head, not an actual all powerful ruler. And, at the time, Vader was not designed as the incredibly powerful master of the Force we’ve seen him be in later works.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

DominicCobb said:

Sony finally lost the license and Disney records put them out as soon as they could so they could get that money. Nothing remotely pertaining to the release of the OOT here.

Is it not significant which version they chose to put out? As far as I can tell, there is no © Lucasfilm version of the SE soundtrack just released.

I don’t think so. The ones Disney just put out are all the original soundtracks for all 6, which were all just remastered for Sony’s ultimate digital collection in 2015.

I think they’re keeping it simple for now with just the OSTs. The Special Editions are a more extensive program (and were mastered in 97 and don’t necessarily sound that great) with 2 discs each and are related to the SEs in name only, besides ROTJ. My guess is they aren’t putting those back out because they’re cooking up their own remastered expanded releases for all the films.

Notice they didn’t put out the TPM Ultimate Edition either.

Sure, there’s plenty of possible explanations, some more obvious than others. Point being, just because it’s not explained in the movie doesn’t make it a plot hole.

If that was the preferred uniform of the rebels, then Leia rebutting Vaders claim at the beginning of ANH was pretty silly, seeing as that there were dead rebel troops laying about and others being taken into custody.

It doesn’t matter if they’re wearing a rebel uniform or not. The fact that they defended themselves against the stormtroopers at all makes them rebels. If Leia wasn’t lying, they would have let the Imperials board peacefully. Her lie was obvious to everyone there. It was done, like the rebel soldiers defending, to buy time for the plans to escape.