DominicCobb

Warbler said:

Jetrell Fo said:

The only response I can make is, he’s stated he was going to do it, and he’s done it. Whether anyone agrees with it or not is moot, he made this promise and he’s keeping it, it isn’t like it’s out of left field news.

This is a garbage post. Whether anyone agrees with it or not, is most certainly not moot.

When Obama was elected in 2008, it was well known he was going to try to pass health care legislation, did that make moot whether anyone agreed or not?

Not to mention Trump just did it (literally) overnight with no warning by signing an executive order (rather than bringing it through Congress - you know, how our government is supposed to work).

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

I know some of it’s been posted here but this polling is sad indeed:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/01/americans-think-trump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.html

So much to digest. First of all it seems that in almost every way our elected officials are doing what we don’t want.

Obviously the email stat just makes me want to throw myself into a fire but this is even sadder:

And finally only 18% of voters think it’s acceptable to punch a Nazi in the face, to 51% who say it’s unacceptable and 31% who are unsure on the moral quandary of our times.

I mean, really? This isn’t okay anymore?

That’s beautiful. Best part is, if you watch the video, he’s describing his Pepe pin right as he gets socked. So perfect.

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

I know some of it’s been posted here but this polling is sad indeed:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/01/americans-think-trump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.html

So much to digest. First of all it seems that in almost every way our elected officials are doing what we don’t want.

Obviously the email stat just makes me want to throw myself into a fire but this is even sadder:

And finally only 18% of voters think it’s acceptable to punch a Nazi in the face, to 51% who say it’s unacceptable and 31% who are unsure on the moral quandary of our times.

I mean, really? This isn’t okay anymore?

Well, technically, unless done as an act of self defense or defense of others(or on a battle field in war), it would be considered assault, which is illegal.

I don’t give a shit. Lots of things are illegal. Like jaywalking, but I do it all the time because sometimes it needs to be done.

MalàStrana said:

DigMod said:
These are fanatics who admire the Empire but are definitely different. They existed before during and after the Empire. They just never made their move until the Empire crumbled. So yes, they are very much like the Nazis.

I don’t agree at all and JJ Abrams is terrible in european (and latin america) history. FO = Nazis is obvious in his mind, and it’s a very bad (and dumb) idea, but it doesn’t support real historic parallels; the OT was far more subtle about that, making the Empire a powerful aggregate of various dictatorship systems. It’s the big difference between a myth (the OT) and something which relates too much on actual Earth history (the PT, TFA… TLJ ?). The same goes with the Resistance depicted like soviet/communits fighters in a few shots…

You’re terrible in understanding movies. Nothing in TFA or any of those other SW movies have a direct historic (nor should they) parallel but all are inspired by history, period, end of story.

The First Order are definitely like the Nazis for a number of reasons (including the plotting of a return to greatness), but I’d say mainly because of the way the New Republic treats them (as in letting them take over systems and not intervening because they don’t want a war that is inevitable). But they are also like other historical entities (as they should be). The only thing here that’s a dumb idea is any of yours that you’ve suggested.

But this is not the place to argue about that.

And yet you continue to unnecessarily bring up TFA kvetching. Stop trolling please.

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s another attempt:

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen in secret from the ashes of the fallen Empire, plotting a return to Imperial rule.

Failing to convince the New Republic to combat this emerging threat, General Leia Organa gathers allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy to form a covert RESISTANCE.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

You’re overthinking things now for sure. I like this second paragraph, but the first is too much. “Plotting its return to power” is perfect I think because, with the comma, it seems to imply that the First Order is plotting the Empire’s return to power.

On that much I agree.

By the way, was happy to learn yesterday that Richard Spencer actually got punched in the face TWICE! There is some small justice in this world.

Be happy it’s at least got the new color. Prequels didn’t even have that much.

I know some of it’s been posted here but this polling is sad indeed:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/01/americans-think-trump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.html

So much to digest. First of all it seems that in almost every way our elected officials are doing what we don’t want.

Obviously the email stat just makes me want to throw myself into a fire but this is even sadder:

And finally only 18% of voters think it’s acceptable to punch a Nazi in the face, to 51% who say it’s unacceptable and 31% who are unsure on the moral quandary of our times.

I mean, really? This isn’t okay anymore?

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

I just like how Trump says we have to learn the lessons of 9/11 and proceeds to ban people from countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 while not banning people from countries that did.

So, if we were to learn things from the occurrences in the Cold War, such lessons would only be applicable to another conflict with Russia?

You miss the point. The countries that the hijackers originated from are not considered “sponsors of terrorism” now and weren’t then either.

Trump has either neglected banning those countries now do to incompetence or political reasons.

Don’t forget (personal) financial reasons.

Sorry, thought it went without saying that 95% of Trump’s decisions have to do with making more money somewhere, somehow.

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

doubleofive said:

Lord Haseo said:

MalàStrana said:

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

doubleofive said:

And IGNORING war, noise, and poverty does not make the country have peace, quiet, and prosperity.

I guess it might for you if you aren’t Muslim. Or gay. Or a woman. Or poor. Or black. Or Latino. Or [insert non-oppressed person here].

THIS

What “this” ? Are people oppressed or do they just feel that way ? Reality vs perception…

Let me give you agander into what my reality is. As a brown skinned mixed man who happens to be bisexual I have been paranoid of someone trying me ever since that prick won. It’s gotten to the point where I’m looking up self defense laws. News stories like the one Frink posted are why I’m looking that shit up. People like you and millions of others can ignore these kind of things because it will never affect you but for people like me the fear is anything but someone’s skewed perception.

And the news article proves this isn’t paranoia. It very well could happen. The current administration distrusts everyone who’s not a straight, white, cis male, and every single thing they’ve done in the last week proves it.

In the same way it’s not paranoia to be constantly worried about being blown up in a terrorist attack because terrorist attacks happen.

I’m gonna just make an assumption without looking for statistics that getting assaulted due to race/gender/sexuality is extraordinarily more likely than being attacked by a terrorist.

I can’t make that assumption.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/complete-list-radical-islamic-terror-attacks-us-james-barrett

I count 13 incidents since 2009.

http://www.ncavp.org/common/document_files/Reports/2004NationalHV Report.pdf

This is only LGBT violence for two years (2003-2004). A couple of thousand each year.

I’ve got a couple issues with the first article. Firstly, it only covers Islamic terror attacks, and secondly I think it’s more fair to compare victims to victims rather than incidents to incidents.

I’m using the dreaded Wikipedia as a source for this; since the Little Rock, Arkansas shooting there have been 26 terror attacks, with 637 total victims (unless I did my math wrong somewhere down the line). That’s not to say that they’re on the same level obviously, since the terror attacks span 8 years but don’t account for even half of LGBT violence in a year.

Even so, both of those figures are pretty damn low in the grand scheme of things. It’s irrational to go around fearing things like this, because the odds of it happening to you are 3720 to 1 😉

Problem is, the current administration is perpetuating one of those paranoias while doing nothing to quell the other.

Also, little old, but relevant:
https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-24/white-americans-are-biggest-terror-threat-united-states

Plus, as far as I know, of all the deadly mass shootings in US history, only San Bernadino involved a Muslim immigrant (and she was born in Pakistan and raised in Saudi Arabia - neither of which is only Trump’s ban list).

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

I just like how Trump says we have to learn the lessons of 9/11 and proceeds to ban people from countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 while not banning people from countries that did.

So, if we were to learn things from the occurrences in the Cold War, such lessons would only be applicable to another conflict with Russia?

You miss the point. The countries that the hijackers originated from are not considered “sponsors of terrorism” now and weren’t then either.

Trump has either neglected banning those countries now do to incompetence or political reasons. But the truth here is that he didn’t actually check which countries the hijackers came from, he just made that shit up.

I mean, let’s face it guys. Trump has somehow proven to be just as bad as everyone expected in record time. All those hopes of “he won’t be able to actually do anything” have proven to be very sadly mistaken. I don’t want to sound like doomsaying frevious, but the country is hurtling straight towards fascism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigration-ban-is-illegal.html

Plenty of GOP Senators, Representatives, and other elected officials publicly derided Trump’s calls for an immigration ban during his campaign (VP Pence included). The fact that they’re all willing to roll over and let Trump do his thing is utterly disgraceful. If Congress let’s shit like this (and all of Trump’s other heinous plans) come to be, and I don’t even want to think of what comes next. If these people are willing to sacrifice the basic tenants of our country and democracy for the sake of partisan politics then we’re headed to a dark place.

That motherFUCKER.

Tyrphanax said:

Warbler said:

Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.

Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.

This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.

It’s the truth.
They are all evil.

Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.

For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.

I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.

Trump isn’t conservative. A conservative wants to maintain what exists and only change as a matter of last resort. Trump wants to roll backwards to a mythical better time. He is a reactionary. He is evil. his supporters are evil. All of them.

I agree with most of this, but I take issue with all Trump supporters being evil. Some of his supporters are just not very informed. Some are desperate. Some are blinded by party loyalty (ironic since Trump is not Conservative, as you said). Some are evil.

I agree.

I love the insane pipe dream that we can somehow go back to a time where coal and car-making jobs were plentiful and paid pensions you could retire on and the only reason they don’t exist anymore is because of immigrants and outsourcing (partially true, mind you), but the fact is that mainly through progress and automation, those jobs are gone forever. This reliance on the fantastical “good old days” is inane and damaging. The past is the past and we need to look forward to the future.

If you want to make America greater, you need to invest in education (at all levels, including trades) and help citizens get jobs that pay living wages in a progressive and automated world. You need to invest in comprehensive healthcare reform that guarantees that American citizens won’t have to choose between going bankrupt taking the most basic care of themselves or dying of a preventable or curable disease. You need to welcome immigrants who bring diversity and talent and innovation to our country, instead of another. You need to invest in the less advantaged among us, you need to invest in our veterans, you need to end the war on drugs so that people who make a bad choice don’t end up in poverty for the rest of their lives and so that we don’t invest in a broken, profit-driven prison industrial complex. You need to support our allies overseas and keep America in the minds of the world. You need to support science and space exploration and climate change research; America must be at the global forefront and the cutting edge of innovation and research and development and science in order to be greater. Looking back to the days of the Industrial Revolution only hurts us. Throttling scientific advances and research and reports only hurts us.

If you want to end illegal immigration from our southern border, you need to invest in Mexico and help make it a country with a strong economy and a strong government that its people don’t need to leave in order to secure a future for themselves and their families; you cannot treat the symptoms and expect to cure the disease, you must treat the cause. As a side effect, it also gives us a strong southern ally, and boosts the entire economy of the western hemisphere. You can’t just build a wall and contribute to the destruction of the environment through creating millions oft yards of concrete, by creating an impassable barrier for flora and fauna, by spending millions of taxpayer dollars and expect the problem to just “go away.”

This strange notion that isolationism is a good plan in any way in a modern world is ridiculous. It didn’t work for feudal Japan and it certainly won’t work in 2017. With each area we pull out of, with each foreign program we stop funding, Russia steps in. China steps in. Our rivals step in, and after America finally wakes up from its nap, we will find ourselves in a world where we are no longer a superpower and have no horse in the global race, with more powerful rivals on every side. I wasn’t a fan of TPP in its current form (and its the one thing I’ve agreed with President Trump on so far), but I acknowledge that denying it opens the door for China to dictate trade in the Pacific, and so reworking the TPP to be in the best interests of the people and not the corporations, while allowing the US to hold China’s interests in the Pacific off must happen. Globalization is happening and it cannot be stopped, only ignored to the detriment of the ignorant.

Anyway that got a bit out of hand, but yeah I agree.

great post.

DominicCobb said:

Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.

Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.

This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.

It’s the truth.
They are all evil.

Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.

For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.

I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.

Trump isn’t conservative. A conservative wants to maintain what exists and only change as a matter of last resort. Trump wants to roll backwards to a mythical better time. He is a reactionary. He is evil. his supporters are evil. All of them.

I agree with most of this, but I take issue with all Trump supporters being evil. Some of his supporters are just not very informed. Some are desperate. Some are blinded by party loyalty (ironic since Trump is not Conservative, as you said). Some are evil.

I agree.

I love the insane pipe dream that we can somehow go back to a time where coal and car-making jobs were plentiful and paid pensions you could retire on and the only reason they don’t exist anymore is because of immigrants and outsourcing (partially true, mind you), but the fact is that mainly through progress and automation, those jobs are gone forever. This reliance on the fantastical “good old days” is inane and damaging. The past is the past and we need to look forward to the future.

If you want to make America greater, you need to invest in education (at all levels, including trades) and help citizens get jobs that pay living wages in a progressive and automated world. You need to invest in comprehensive healthcare reform that guarantees that American citizens won’t have to choose between going bankrupt taking the most basic care of themselves or dying of a preventable or curable disease. You need to welcome immigrants who bring diversity and talent and innovation to our country, instead of another. You need to invest in the less advantaged among us, you need to invest in our veterans, you need to end the war on drugs so that people who make a bad choice don’t end up in poverty for the rest of their lives and so that we don’t invest in a broken, profit-driven prison industrial complex. You need to support our allies overseas and keep America in the minds of the world. You need to support science and space exploration and climate change research; America must be at the global forefront and the cutting edge of innovation and research and development and science in order to be greater. Looking back to the days of the Industrial Revolution only hurts us. Throttling scientific advances and research and reports only hurts us.

If you want to end illegal immigration from our southern border, you need to invest in Mexico and help make it a country with a strong economy and a strong government that its people don’t need to leave in order to secure a future for themselves and their families; you cannot treat the symptoms and expect to cure the disease, you must treat the cause. As a side effect, it also gives us a strong southern ally, and boosts the entire economy of the western hemisphere. You can’t just build a wall and contribute to the destruction of the environment through creating millions oft yards of concrete, by creating an impassable barrier for flora and fauna, by spending millions of taxpayer dollars and expect the problem to just “go away.”

This strange notion that isolationism is a good plan in any way in a modern world is ridiculous. It didn’t work for feudal Japan and it certainly won’t work in 2017. With each area we pull out of, with each foreign program we stop funding, Russia steps in. China steps in. Our rivals step in, and after America finally wakes up from its nap, we will find ourselves in a world where we are no longer a superpower and have no horse in the global race, with more powerful rivals on every side. I wasn’t a fan of TPP in its current form (and its the one thing I’ve agreed with President Trump on so far), but I acknowledge that denying it opens the door for China to dictate trade in the Pacific, and so reworking the TPP to be in the best interests of the people and not the corporations, while allowing the US to hold China’s interests in the Pacific off must happen. Globalization is happening and it cannot be stopped, only ignored to the detriment of the ignorant.

Anyway that got a bit out of hand, but yeah I agree.

This is a quality post.

Thanks, guys.

Woah, slow down. I didn’t ask for your thanks or your friendship. We’re all humans here and no one is perfect. Enough with the baiting posts.

Jetrell Fo said:

Warbler said:

Some Trump supporters are insane, some are delusional, some are idiots, and some are a combination of all 3.

This is pure opinion and garbage if you’re stating it as fact.

As long as warb isn’t implying his statement to be all inclusive, it isn’t opinion, it is fact.

It’s a pretty easy one especially if we’re opening it up to all forms of prejudice, not just assault. Not to mention the comparison is silly.

Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.

Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.

This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.

It’s the truth.
They are all evil.

Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.

For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.

I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.

Trump isn’t conservative. A conservative wants to maintain what exists and only change as a matter of last resort. Trump wants to roll backwards to a mythical better time. He is a reactionary. He is evil. his supporters are evil. All of them.

I agree with most of this, but I take issue with all Trump supporters being evil. Some of his supporters are just not very informed. Some are desperate. Some are blinded by party loyalty (ironic since Trump is not Conservative, as you said). Some are evil.

I agree.

I love the insane pipe dream that we can somehow go back to a time where coal and car-making jobs were plentiful and paid pensions you could retire on and the only reason they don’t exist anymore is because of immigrants and outsourcing (partially true, mind you), but the fact is that mainly through progress and automation, those jobs are gone forever. This reliance on the fantastical “good old days” is inane and damaging. The past is the past and we need to look forward to the future.

If you want to make America greater, you need to invest in education (at all levels, including trades) and help citizens get jobs that pay living wages in a progressive and automated world. You need to invest in comprehensive healthcare reform that guarantees that American citizens won’t have to choose between going bankrupt taking the most basic care of themselves or dying of a preventable or curable disease. You need to welcome immigrants who bring diversity and talent and innovation to our country, instead of another. You need to invest in the less advantaged among us, you need to invest in our veterans, you need to end the war on drugs so that people who make a bad choice don’t end up in poverty for the rest of their lives and so that we don’t invest in a broken, profit-driven prison industrial complex. You need to support our allies overseas and keep America in the minds of the world. You need to support science and space exploration and climate change research; America must be at the global forefront and the cutting edge of innovation and research and development and science in order to be greater. Looking back to the days of the Industrial Revolution only hurts us. Throttling scientific advances and research and reports only hurts us.

If you want to end illegal immigration from our southern border, you need to invest in Mexico and help make it a country with a strong economy and a strong government that its people don’t need to leave in order to secure a future for themselves and their families; you cannot treat the symptoms and expect to cure the disease, you must treat the cause. As a side effect, it also gives us a strong southern ally, and boosts the entire economy of the western hemisphere. You can’t just build a wall and contribute to the destruction of the environment through creating millions oft yards of concrete, by creating an impassable barrier for flora and fauna, by spending millions of taxpayer dollars and expect the problem to just “go away.”

This strange notion that isolationism is a good plan in any way in a modern world is ridiculous. It didn’t work for feudal Japan and it certainly won’t work in 2017. With each area we pull out of, with each foreign program we stop funding, Russia steps in. China steps in. Our rivals step in, and after America finally wakes up from its nap, we will find ourselves in a world where we are no longer a superpower and have no horse in the global race, with more powerful rivals on every side. I wasn’t a fan of TPP in its current form (and its the one thing I’ve agreed with President Trump on so far), but I acknowledge that denying it opens the door for China to dictate trade in the Pacific, and so reworking the TPP to be in the best interests of the people and not the corporations, while allowing the US to hold China’s interests in the Pacific off must happen. Globalization is happening and it cannot be stopped, only ignored to the detriment of the ignorant.

Anyway that got a bit out of hand, but yeah I agree.

This is a quality post.

These things work on a somewhat subconscious level. I think in telling yourself it doesn’t make logical sense it has now stuck out where it shouldn’t (I believe if one combed the sound mixes of any film with a fine tooth comb they would find plenty of stuff like this). When you’re watching the film, it’s so quick, you’re not deeply analyzing like that. You’re thinking, okay, they’ve got to get onto the Falcon. So in a quick shot you see them running and hear the Falcon opening. You know they have to get to it and the door has to open, so the film supplies you with that - in the moment you’re not thinking of the order it has to happen, you’re just feeling the scene being pushed forward.

That’s absolutely what the uncomfortableness comes from. The door opening is one solution and destruction effects could be another, either way you’re pushing the immediacy of the moment forward (which is lacking with the sparse sounds of wind music only).

As for the revving of the engine, that’s more of a J cut than anything else. We aren’t necessarily supposed to think that Rey is turning on the Falcon in that moment - it’s more the sounds of the next shot coming in early as a means of transition.

And then there’s the hiss of the Falcon when they board which is just there to give it a sonic presence (and match with the air exhaust).

Lot better. I say still be careful with the levels on the destruction before they leave the planet (sounds like it might be clipping?), little loud.

I’d still advocate strongly for the original placement of the Falcon door sound. Sounds like that don’t necessarily make sense when you think about them, but that’s how sound mixers work. I’ve seen the film about ten times and never once questioned why Chewie didn’t leave the door open, because it just sounded right in the moment. And then, when I watched your version, the silence of them running to the Falcon felt uncomfortable. Sound mixing is very much based on feelings rather than rational thought (same reason Indiana Jones’s revolver sounds like a rifle). At the end of the day, in my mind, these people who made the mix are professionals who know this kind of work far better than I do. I personally think it’s better to refer to their judgement rather than second guess it.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

DominicCobb said:

Honestly I think the best thing that we can hope that the pulling of the SE soundtracks means is that Disney has plans to make their own comprehensive complete scores for all the films. I really don’t think we can read anything at all into this about their plans for the OOT, most don’t really associate the soundtracks with any particular version of the film.

I would love a remastered reissue of the 1993 CDs. Of course, something even more comprehensive would be welcome.

The 93 CDs already sound pretty good, honestly. It’s really the SEs that need a remaster, especially ROTJ (which sounds like it was recorded underwater), or something else equally or more comprehensive (as far as I know, though, the SE programs were only missing a couple cues from ROTJ and were otherwise more or less complete).

What needs a real complete release the most are the PT scores which have yet to see anything near to a complete light of day (though there are some very solid fan edits out there). TFA too, actually, especially considering that there’s was apparently a LOT of music that didn’t make it into the film.

For sure. I’ve tried my hand at this sort of thing before and it’s a major pain in my ass (I have a ROTS edit that has been in the can for months now besides SFX replacement which is taking me forever because I hate it).

The bitch of sound work is nobody notices it if it’s good. But when it’s not the best or is missing something, no matter who you are, you’re going to notice it and feel like something’s off.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lucas-owned Lucasfilm never bothered to release the original soundtracks after the SE. I’d say it’s a step in the right direction given that they’re putting both versions out there for people to purchase.

Not anymore. There is no digital download of the SE soundtrack anymore on iTunes or Amazon. Only the original soundtracks are available in mp3 now. Was thinking about buying the ROTJ album when I noticed this.

EDIT: the Ultimate edition compilation has also been pulled, but that’s more likely a copyright thing as that was distributed by Sony.

They were all put out by Sony. Sony had the rights to the music until Jan 1 of this year. So everything Sony did has either been pulled or is now out of print.

Honestly I think the best thing that we can hope that the pulling of the SE soundtracks means is that Disney has plans to make their own comprehensive complete scores for all the films. I really don’t think we can read anything at all into this about their plans for the OOT, most don’t really associate the soundtracks with any particular version of the film.

NeverarGreat said:

I’ve tweaked the levels of the sound effects and edited the Starkiller implosion. I think it’s rather an improvement, hopefully it is to everyone’s liking:
https://vimeo.com/201216702
Password: sound

Very nice and you’re very close. But you’re just missing some small details that really sell it. The explosion sounds fine to me, but the stuff before it is not yet there.

Best thing to do would be to go back and watch that sequence again, really listen to exactly what sounds are being used. Here’s some discrepancies I noticed:

• the added whistling wind sound is a bit overrepresented in your mix
• actually I think both your new SFX and music might be a bit louder than the existing film mix
• I think you can probably do a bit of a crossfade when Rey cries over Finn between the existing music and the new (rather than simply dropping out the existing music entirely)
• you’re missing subtle background rumble of destruction while Rey is with Finn
• missing the sound as Rey drops on Finn
• could probably bring in the Falcon sound a little more clearly when the lights appear
• missing slight sounds of Rey crying when she spots the Falcon
• bit of a rough audio edit when we cut to the closeup of the cockpit
• missing a slight sound when Rey gets up (the shot of Finn before she grabs the saber)
• when they’re running to the Falcon, missing the sound of the Falcon door opening (and then the hiss when they’re boarding)
• missing the sound of the Falcon revving up when Finn is placed on the med bed
• also notice in the film how the sounds of the destruction of the planet slowly start to become louder as the Falcon takes off - rather than begin loud immediately at the start of the shot
• also the explosion sounds are sort of overpowering the music here, careful with that (explosions were definitely secondary to the music in the film’s mix)

Some of these are probably harder than others but I do believe this is what it’ll take for it to sound legit (to my ears anyway). Good thing is you’re already very close to being there.

Hal 9000 said:

DAMN, you guys are awesome, coming out of the woodwork to spruce this thing up. I feel like I should be able to draw on a metaphor from fiction about this, something about people showing up out of nowhere to repair a broken house or something.

It’s like some sort of alliance or something. Yeah, wish I could think of an example from fiction.

One last suggestion:

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire.

Failing to convince the New Republic of this emerging threat, General Leia Organa mobilizes a brave RESISTANCE as the First Order prepares a secret weapon that will secure their return to power.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

Two quick suggestions:

with SKB mention (somewhat stolen from Rogue Leader)

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen in secret from the ashes of the fractured Empire.

Failing to convince the New Republic to combat this looming threat, General Leia Organa hastens to form a brave RESISTANCE as the First Order prepares their secret weapon, the STARKILLER.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

without SKB mention

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen in secret from the ashes of the fallen Empire and will not rest until the REPUBLIC has been destroyed.

Failing to convince the Senate of this emerging threat, General Leia Organa mobilizes a covert RESISTANCE to gather allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

Not sure I really get it - you dislike SKB so you want to put all its introductory/expository stuff at the same time, rather than spread out?

The intel and plan of attack scene is absolutely nuts. It pissed me off the first time I saw the movie but now I just laugh along with it. I do think this edit makes it worse though because at least in the theatrical we’ve known for a awhile that there’s a weapon and by then we know what it’s capable of. So we’ve let it sink in well before that scene that this is a thing that will have to be stopped, which eases the abruptness of the plan. In the restructure, however, we learn about the base and then get the plan to destroy it almost immediately after.

I really am advocating a ROTJ solution. Obviously the original film handles the super weapon subplot the best as the mission to destroy it is really the main plot and everything that happens revolves around the mission to destroy it. In ROTJ, destroying the DS is really secondary to the primary plot of confronting/saving Vader - as in TFA it’s secondary to Rey’s call to the Force and finding Luke. So just like in TFA there’s one single scene where the Rebels learn about the DS (remember “Little does Luke know”?) and come up with a plan to destroy it. But no one ever complained about that scene. Why? I’d say it’s for two reasons. One: it’s the start of the second act rather than the third, and two: we are already well aware of the impending threat of the second DS, having read about it in the crawl and seeing Vader and the Emperor board it.

So in my mind, the solution is simple - add the impending threat of the SKB to the crawl and then let it loom throughout the film. The idea that it’s this mysterious ace up their sleeve that the First Order has is an interesting one, but it doesn’t really work narratively, I don’t think. The main problem being, even with the changes you’ve made to the crawl, I honestly feel like we understand the FO less. We just don’t understand their purpose. I mean sure, galactic domination, fine, but what’s their course of action? The theatrical gives us explanation by way of wanting to wipe out The Last Jedi. At the very least, I think there needs to be some indication in the crawl that the FO has plans to obliterate the Republic, even if we don’t necessarily know how yet. In that case, if you want the super weapon to be the ace up the sleeve, at least you’ve gotten the set up that they need an ace up their sleeve (really a proper set up and resolution of the question posed by the late Republic senators: are they a looming threat or aren’t they?).