DominicCobb

I know you’re liking the place the crawl is in, and I don’t mean to try to throw a wrench in, but it seems quite like a missed opportunity to not mention the Starkiller in the revised crawl. One of my issues with TFA is that the base is poorly established and I feel like unfortunately, with this restructure, you’ve only exacerbated that issue, with the base’s operational abilities not clear until well past the halfway mark.

I don’t have a particular suggestion at the moment though (I’m not really that helpful, I know). Just something to think about.

Jay said:

Watch the personal attacks, everyone. This is starting to look like the old politics thread.

Expressing disdain over someone’s opinion or 4th-grade-level humor is fine, but just calling them an asshole doesn’t cut it.

For what it’s worth, my comments were mainly aimed towards whoever made that joke on reddit or whatever in the first place (though I can’t deny that I do believe there is an element of guilty by association). Will try to be a bit more careful with my language the future

I do believe, though, that there’s more to criticize than just having an immature sense of humor. I guess instead of asshole I could have said immature, thoughtless, mean-spirited, demeaning, and needlessly insulting person. Less concise but more accurate I guess.

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

Is it alright to insult someone if they’re an awful person?

Let’s assume you think Rosie O’Donnell is an awful person. It’s alright to insult her for being awful, not for being overweight.

Donald Trump is a vile person but I never insult his appearance.

I wasn’t thinking it was Rosie.

Spit it out then.

Schumer.

She’s problematic as a person but to insult her by comparing her to a whale is crossing a line, especially considering she has a relatively average body size.

Hal 9000 said:

As soon as I heard it existed, I’ve loved the idea of putting the scene where Leia sends her envoy to the Republic capital into the movie.
What we have here isn’t finished, and is presented to us in what I can’t help but view as an intentionally neglected state.
A proof of concept version, like a workprint, would be another story. But I don’t feel it’s got a place in this edit, given the objective of a slight tweak that would not have made anyone blink if it had been what was literally projected in theaters on opening day.

It was clearly cut earlier than the other deleted Leia scene. It was probably also part of a larger scene that isn’t being shown for whatever reason (someone who’s read the novelization pipe in please).

suspiciouscoffee said:

DominicCobb said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Jetrell Fo said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

EDIT: STUPID POST

There are no stupid posts here. If you need to get it out, get it out, no-one in this thread will heckle or taunt you for it.

😃

I wasn’t worried about heckling ot taunting, I just didn’t like it after posting it. It was a stupid post regardless of the potential eventual reaction to it.

To make a slightly less stupid post about the same point, let’s just say I often feel like I deserve a Mike Pence® Approved Shock Attack™.

EDIT: Okay, post just as stupid, but now thinly veiled in fake-ironic-humor and also slightly topical and current.

You don’t “deserve” anything but the right to be yourself (and for others to respect that).

There’s nothing wrong with whatever feelings you’re having anyone who says otherwise should just go fuck themselves.

The thing is, I don’t want to be myself, or not the self I am right now. I want to feel normal and not like a dirty infidel.

No, sorry coffee. You’re brain is telling you don’t want to be yourself because other people have convinced you that it is wrong. What you’re feeling is completely natural, the only thing unnatural is the desire to wish away those feelings.

I have a hard time trying to reconcile my Christianity with my homosexual tendencies, and I’d be a much happier person if I could get rid of the latter. But I can’t AFAIK, no matter how much I’ve prayed about it in the last few years, so alas…

I know a number of people who have been able to reconcile their religion with their homosexuality. It’s not impossible, you can do it. If people tell you it can’t be done, don’t listen to them. I know plenty of Christian people who are very accepting of homosexuality. It’s not impossible. If people make you feel bad for wanting what’s deep down, either stop associating with them or don’t listen to them. They don’t want what’s best for you, they just want what’s best for their view of the world.

I’m atheist, but I was raised Catholic and I understand how the faith operates.

It is important to remember that the bible was written by men, not by god, and that it was interpreted by men, not by god. Just because people say you have to believe a certain way doesn’t mean your god wants you to. God loves everyone, no? You say you’ve prayed for years with no response. Well maybe you did get a response? Maybe this is his way of showing you that you are meant to be this way.

In the end, maybe you’re not gay, you’re just bi. Or maybe you’re not into guys at all? The thing is, only YOU can be the one to find that out for yourself. You can’t let others tell you how you’re supposed to feel (in this matter and in others). That’s up to you.

Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

Warbler said:

Dek Rollins said:

And the reddit link was mostly to see the reaction from members like you.

It is this kind of crap from the right wingers here that pisses me off.

It pisses you off that I wanted to see how many times I would be called a sexist, fat-shaming bigot for posting that image? And I was called a piece of shit, so the Trump haters here seem to be as predictably insulting as ever. Experiment successful, I guess.

Aw poor Dek can’t handle a little teeny insult. Do you need a safe space?

When… did I ever say that my feelings were hurt?

Why else would you have a problem with me insulting you? I just think it’s funny that conservatives are always up in arms about being taking issue with insults, yet can’t take one themselves.

Can’t you handle it when I point out your own hypocrisy?

My own hypocrisy? Is calling someone a piece of shit insulting when they’re being a piece of shit? What’s worse, being an asshole, or calling someone an asshole for being an asshole? My insult at least has a solid basis in criticizing people’s behavior. Calling a woman as fat as a whale is just needlessly demeaning.

Ridiculous. And do you not consider comparing an overweight person to a whale insulting? The hypocrisy.

I would consider the joke insulting to the women in question. It’s still funny, because of context.

What context? That Trump’s enough of an douche bag that he would do something as shitty as that? And for me, personally, fat as a whale jokes got old when I left elementary school.

Dek Rollins said:

Warbler said:

Dek Rollins said:

And the reddit link was mostly to see the reaction from members like you.

It is this kind of crap from the right wingers here that pisses me off.

It pisses you off that I wanted to see how many times I would be called a sexist, fat-shaming bigot for posting that image? And I was called a piece of shit, so the Trump haters here seem to be as predictably insulting as ever. Experiment successful, I guess.

Aw poor Dek can’t handle a little teeny insult. Do you need a safe space?

Ridiculous. And do you not consider comparing an overweight person to a whale insulting? The hypocrisy.

Oh right, now I remember why people still support him, it’s because they’re pieces of shit too.

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

The only other musical I really love is Singin’ in the Rain. So I guess I mostly like musicals about the movie industry.

Maybe it’s just easier for me to digest the inherent unreal quality of musicals when there’s a meta element involved.

This helped when watching La La Land. It also didn’t have nearly as much singing as some musicals where literally every piece of dialogue is sung. La La Land just has amazingly cinematic, romantic and purely magical musical numbers sprinkled throughout that visualize the feelings and emotions of the characters. That’s why I’m able to appreciate the movie so much. I am surprised however that “Audition” is the song nominated by the oscars, but that “City of Stars” was the song nominated by the Golden Globes. I gotta agree with the Golden Globes for once actually haha.

They nominated both, actually, and City of Stars will likely win.

Tyrphanax said:

Jetrell Fo said:

^That’s not a very nice thing to say even if you’re joking.

Tell that to the President.

Wow he’s like a smart person.

suspiciouscoffee said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Jetrell Fo said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

EDIT: STUPID POST

There are no stupid posts here. If you need to get it out, get it out, no-one in this thread will heckle or taunt you for it.

😃

I wasn’t worried about heckling ot taunting, I just didn’t like it after posting it. It was a stupid post regardless of the potential eventual reaction to it.

To make a slightly less stupid post about the same point, let’s just say I often feel like I deserve a Mike Pence® Approved Shock Attack™.

EDIT: Okay, post just as stupid, but now thinly veiled in fake-ironic-humor and also slightly topical and current.

You don’t “deserve” anything but the right to be yourself (and for others to respect that).

There’s nothing wrong with whatever feelings you’re having anyone who says otherwise should just go fuck themselves.

Jetrell Fo said:

^That’s not a very nice thing to say even if you’re joking.

You do realize Trump said that, right?

(actually he said “400 pound”)

The only other musical I really love is Singin’ in the Rain. So I guess I mostly like musicals about the movie industry.

Maybe it’s just easier for me to digest the inherent unreal quality of musicals when there’s a meta element involved.

Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

Hahahahaha.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-emails-rnc-reince-priebus-white-house-server-548191

Senior Trump administration staffers including Kellyanne Conway, Jared Kushner, Sean Spicer and Steve Bannon have active accounts on a Republican National Committee email system, Newsweek has learned.

The system (rnchq.org) is the same one the George W. Bush administration was accused of using to evade transparency rules after claiming to have “lost” 22 million emails.

Making use of separate political email accounts at the White House is not illegal. In fact, they serve a purpose by allowing staff to divide political conversations (say, arranging for the president to support a congressional re-election campaign) from actual White House work. Commingling politics and state business violates the Hatch Act, which restricts many executive branch employees from engaging in political activity on government time.

But after then-candidate Donald Trump and the Republicans repeatedly called for “locking up” Hillary Clinton for handling government work with a private server while secretary of state, the new White House staff risks repeating the same mistake that dogged the Democrat’s presidential campaign. They also face a security challenge: The RNC email system, according to U.S. intelligence, was hacked during the 2016 race. “They better be careful after making such a huge ruckus over the private email over at the State Department,” says former Bush administration lawyer Richard Painter.

Is this not the exact reason many people claimed to not be voting for Hillary? Am I wrong?

Donald Trump, the man who ran an entire campaign on how Hillary shouldn’t be president because of her private email server now has his very own private email server. But now it’s suddenly okay? Can anyone defend this?

Why am I not even a tiny bit surprised?

How can anyone be happy with how this presidency has been so far? It’s not even about policy anymore, this dickwad has been objectively bad in so many ways. The fact that those on the right will still defend shows how blindly partisan some are.

Well it is tough when things like simple facts are becoming a matter of “belief.”

darth_ender said:

Men shouldn’t get off scot-free from pregnancy. I’m all for imposing consequences.

Who advocates for the child’s best interest? It’s not just the woman’s body that’s affected with pregnancy or abortion.

True, immorality is such a case, but I still certainly have the right to advocate what I believe. It’s not simply, “Keep it legal, and choose to do it or not do it.” I have an obligation to fight for what I believe is morally right, even if your morals don’t match mine.

To make something clearer, I am not comparing women who get abortions with slave-owners or Nazis. That was merely an illustration. But if I were to tell my wife to get one, I might compare myself to a slave-owner or Nazi.

Look at it this way: Thomas Jefferson was a great man. He also owned slaves. If the exact same man lived today, with his household of slaves, I would call him a terrible person. Why? Because I believe he was a good man, though limited by the social constructs of his day. Just because he was a slave-owner did not make him a bad person, because I believe he did not know better, at least, not the extent that we do. Were he alive today, there would be no excuse.

Similarly, I don’t fault women who get abortions. They don’t “know” (from my perspective, remember) that it’s wrong. Say in 200 years that abortion were illegal in most circumstances and it were looked upon with reprehension, and some woman got an abortion, then yes, I’d consider her wrong and evil. Hopefully, I am being clear and not asking for a thumping from the those on the Left of the debate.

I understand completely where you’re coming from and I know this is where arguments to opposing sides stop dead. It’s a tricky thing when it’s a matter of belief. I guess all I can really say to that is that if ehat you hold faith in is true, then these “murderers” will face their ultimate judgement in the end. But while we’re on earth, I don’t think one should look down upon for difference of belief, whether it be on abortion or whether or not somebody was and is the son of god.

At the very least, I feel like people should understand that these abortions will happen anyway. Better it be somewhere safe. I guess you could look at it in the same way as how some view drug use. It’s not good for you, but it shouldn’t be a criminal offense - instead we should be helping those who are addicted. Prevention doesn’t always work, sometimes it just comes down to proper treatment.

On the matter of abortions and birth control, in my mind it will never not be a matter of women’s rights. It’s very simple. You can say people shouldn’t fuck around in the first place or they deserve the consequences, but at the end of the day it is only the woman that has to deal with those consequences. The men get off scot free, if they want. So why shouldn’t the women too?

(not to mention an abortion is not actually “scot free” and is quite an ordeal in many ways)

As to whether it is immoral or not, this is a case where there’s no where to go but to say agree to disagree.

Jetrell Fo said:

You didn’t find it “funny” that those anti-Trump folks fucked up Larry King’s hired SUV?

No, why would I? I literally just said the only funny thing was that Nazi getting sucker punched.

You weren’t.

The only thing “funny” about the riots was Richard Spencer getting punched in the face.

doubleofive said:

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/25/14386524/trump-unsecure-android-phone-report

Yeah, apparently Trump still has his precious Android, using it for god-know-what.

Good thing it’s not a blackberry, because then we’d have to lock him up!

Jeebus said:

doubleofive said:

This hatred or complete misunderstanding of journalism is probably the scariest part of this new world we live in now.

Why do you think there’s a mistrust of the news in the first place?

Hint:

Jetrell Fo said:

I personally believe that this whole numbers business is a waste of fucking time and journalism. There are far more important thing for this country that should be making the news.

Sure but in fairness it’s the Trump team that keeps bringing up the numbers and it’s worth reporting because it’s indicative of future issues with (alt)facts and the current administration.

I generally can’t stand musicals but it is easily my favorite film this year.

That being said, probably isn’t for everybody.

NeverarGreat said:

I don’t envy the task Rian has undertaken. My friends and I often write pass-around stories among the 5 or 6 of us (I have been told that normal people engage in other activities), and it feels like being handed an entry that the previous author didn’t establish well or know how to end. You kind of stumble around re-establishing the scene while also trying to do your own thing, and it doesn’t often end well. I bet Rian does a good job of it regardless.

I would probably start the film after a crawl explaining the state of the galaxy with a pan down to a planet which has now been bestowed with the honor of being the new Republic capital. There’s an address from some low-level bureaucrat who is now acting chancellor, then Leia bursts in all solemn business. Who knows. As has been suggested, I wouldn’t return to Luke and Rey until the second scene at earliest.

God I hope the opening scene doesn’t involve a bureaucrat. I don’t have a problem with having more politics than TFA, but that’s only because TFA didn’t have any politics, so more could (and should) mean quite little.

Rian’s got a whole playground. I don’t envy the heat he’ll inevitably receive but he’s not working on some sort of impossible task (not to mention it wasn’t like he sat down in the theater and got TFA like the rest of us).

Saying it “wasn’t established well” is kinda BS. I’d say everything about the story that matters was established quite well. If Rian has a way to make boring ass space politics interesting, good. But it’s not like he’s cleaning up a mess, it’s all been established, it just wasn’t all spelled out in the final film. He’ll explain whatever he needs to to tell his story, which he would have had to do anyway. There won’t be much catch up.

“Know how to end” is even more BS. The ending of TFA is exactly what the whole rest of the film was leading towards. That was where the story ended. Johnson could have picked it up anywhere, like say two years down the line on an ice planet if he wanted to. But no, he decided he wanted to see what happened immediately afterwards. If that’s where his story begins, that’s where it begins. It’ll be very interesting to see how it plays out.

Personally, in regards to the OP, I hope we learn something new besides just a recap of TFA.

ray_afraid said:

Opinion: Princess Leia’s Theme & Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About the Force are the best pieces of music in any Star Wars film.

At the risk of becoming this thread’s resident annoying shit, I will say that “Princess Leia’s Theme” as it appears on the soundtrack is a concert suite and not in any film proper (well, it gets sort of a play in the ROTS end credit). Still, it is an utterly marvelous and possibly the best single concert arrangement of Williams career. And I want to agree with your sentiments, but unfortunately more cues from the original keep popping up in my head that are equally magnificent.